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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 11, 2019 19:04:50 GMT
I know, i know...this is the sort of thread title that would usually have me spitting out my coco-pops in laughter at the usual overreaction to one defeat. However, when I look at our squad, I can't help but think that in the worst case scenario we're not that far removed from a relegation side. Difficult to believe when you start looking at who we still have on our books, but we had them all last season too and there were certain points during the season when the 'R' word did start to get mentioned. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how high the players' reputations are on an individual basis, we've seen time and time again how they don't make any sort of cohesive collective, whether that's down to poor tactics, poor attitudes or just a collection of players who have absolutely no connection with each other on the pitch. The strikeforce worries me more than anything. Afobe and Vokes look like a modern day partnership of Vincent Pericard and Keith Scott. I don't think it matters who else you've got in your team if the front men are such complete and utter duffers as you're never going to score enough goals. To compensate for this, you'd think a midfield of Nick Powell, Joe Allen and Peter Etebo would be more than good enough for a Premier League side, let alone a championship one, but there are huge question marks over Allen's consistency, Etebo has made a few murmurs in the past about moving on, and nobody can be sure how well Powell's going to fit in. I'm not going to start another rant about McClean, but the likes of Clucas and Woods aren't that much better than him, while Cousins has arrived with a reputation of being the epitome of mediocre. The defence is another worry. we don't have a left back other than the geriatric Ward, the manager seems to have convinced himself that our one good full-back needs replacing with someone who's not as good, while the centre-back situation isn't exactly stable either. Overall, I'd still probably say there are enough pockets of quality in that side (the midfield's decent on the whole) to get at least 50-something points, but there are also huge chasms of worry that I can't see being addressed for one reason or another. Do I need to go for a lie down, or has the possibility of another 89/90 or 97/98 catastrophe entered anyone else's mind? Yes but so is promotion, winning the FA Cup and League Cup, remaining in Europe, Alan Carr being funny, 3 minute mile, swimming the atlantic and Boris Johnson telling the truth. Actually the last one is a lie. I was feeling optimistic until you said Alan Carr being funny, I'm not going to swallow that......... see what I did there, his whole routine in a line, matron!
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 11, 2019 22:07:19 GMT
No just mid table mediocrity whilst the parachute payments are wasted away
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 28, 2019 15:58:00 GMT
Someone sent me a pic of a tweet :-
We were relegated 3 times to the 3rd tier in our history so far
After 14 games
1925/26 we had 10 points (2 points for a win in old money) 1989/90 we had 11 points 1997/98 we had 21 points
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2019 15:58:52 GMT
Someone sent me a pic of a tweet :- We were relegated 3 times to the 3rd tier in our history so far After 14 games 1925/26 we had 10 points (2 points for a win in old money) 1989/90 we had 11 points 1997/98 we had 21 points
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Post by thevoid on Oct 28, 2019 16:00:00 GMT
Someone sent me a pic of a tweet :- We were relegated 3 times to the 3rd tier in our history so far After 14 games 1925/26 we had 10 points (2 points for a win in old money) 1989/90 we had 11 points 1997/98 we had 21 points So potentially this could be the third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates family.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Oct 28, 2019 16:02:13 GMT
If we donāt change significantly and very soon then relegation will be quite likely rather than a possibility. Just seems like the board canāt see it or are completely happy to go along with it.
Maybe the board member who struggles to string a sentence together needs to start talking to his mate who goes and watches football matches for some advice?
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 28, 2019 16:04:23 GMT
Someone sent me a pic of a tweet :- We were relegated 3 times to the 3rd tier in our history so far After 14 games 1925/26 we had 10 points (2 points for a win in old money) 1989/90 we had 11 points 1997/98 we had 21 points Jeez. Stuff like that is a real jolt and turns the absolute incredulity that Jones is still in place to outright anger.
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 28, 2019 16:09:05 GMT
Someone sent me a pic of a tweet :- We were relegated 3 times to the 3rd tier in our history so far After 14 games 1925/26 we had 10 points (2 points for a win in old money) 1989/90 we had 11 points 1997/98 we had 21 points So potentially this could be the third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates family. We need new owners.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 16:15:01 GMT
Someone sent me a pic of a tweet :- We were relegated 3 times to the 3rd tier in our history so far After 14 games 1925/26 we had 10 points (2 points for a win in old money) 1989/90 we had 11 points 1997/98 we had 21 points Shit the effing bed!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 28, 2019 16:16:19 GMT
Someone sent me a pic of a tweet :- We were relegated 3 times to the 3rd tier in our history so far After 14 games 1925/26 we had 10 points (2 points for a win in old money) 1989/90 we had 11 points 1997/98 we had 21 points So potentially this could be the third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates family. Blimey
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 16:18:34 GMT
Someone sent me a pic of a tweet :- We were relegated 3 times to the 3rd tier in our history so far After 14 games 1925/26 we had 10 points (2 points for a win in old money) 1989/90 we had 11 points 1997/98 we had 21 points So potentially this could be the third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates family. Stable, local owners with the clubs best interest at heart though.... This one would be absolutely unforgivable and inexcusable given the level of finance invested. This one would take incompetence to a whole new level.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2019 16:18:37 GMT
I would say at this moment in time with Jones as manager itās s racing certainty
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 28, 2019 16:24:35 GMT
Christ, this was from two months ago and they've still not acted on it despite getting continually and dreadfully worse. I think I'm going to have to have a break from this board and anything Stoke City for a bit. I can't be arsed getting worked up about it when they clearly don't give one. It's blatant neglect.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 28, 2019 16:25:37 GMT
I would say at this moment in time with Jones as manager itās s racing certainty My worry is it might be, anyway.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 28, 2019 16:28:21 GMT
So potentially this could be the third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates family. Blimey Can't remember the thread but someone put it miles better than I could. Basically, the Icelandic board managed to get a football club promoted having been in football for five minutes in comparison. Although under Coates we got 10 years of PL football, they've also got us relegated to third tier twice and well on our way to a third. There are certainly worse owners to have in terms of backing and having local interests but I'm not sure many have got a worse strategy today.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 28, 2019 16:29:09 GMT
Criminal neglect from the owners. Call themselves fans who are they trying to kid.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2019 16:30:16 GMT
I would say at this moment in time with Jones as manager itās s racing certainty My worry is it might be, anyway. It may well be mate but surely we have to give it a go with a new manager
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2019 16:38:41 GMT
So potentially this could be the third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates family. Stable, local owners with the clubs best interest at heart though.... This one would be absolutely unforgivable and inexcusable given the level of finance invested. This one would take incompetence to a whole new level. One of the reasons that Peter Coates bought the club back in 2006 was that he didn't want to be remembered as a chairman who'd taken the club down to it's lowest ever position. Yet here we are again, not even five years after blowing the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs off the pitch at the Britannia Stadium, on the brink of a repeat. He can't be compared to the Oystons or Venkys (or the clowns who run Coventry) of this world, but by God, it takes a serious level of incompetence and delusion to guide a club from ninth place in the Premier League to joint bottom of the Championship in little over three years.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 28, 2019 16:42:10 GMT
My worry is it might be, anyway. It may well be mate but surely we have to give it a go with a new manager Totally agree. It's to the point where we could have playing card size photos of every living manager and have a blindfolded fan have a chuck at them on a dartboard(a fucking big one!). Whoever he hit couldn't be any worse.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 28, 2019 16:42:27 GMT
Thread title needs changing to 'Is avoiding Relegation a Possibility?' given those stats.......
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 28, 2019 16:43:29 GMT
This is what I've been saying for weeks and weeks and weeks. Why on earth have we been so passive and not forced Jones out earlier when it became clear that he wasn't going to get the sack without us pushing it? We've hounded out managers for far, far less over the years. Jones is well on the way to being our worst ever manager, if he's not already there. The dreadful names from the past like Kamara, Ball and Little at least had the excuse that the club was skint.
Statistics like these really ram it home. His record is just unbelievably bad, historical proportions. Holocaust season proportions, but in a lower division. We simply HAVE to do something.
A change in manager doesn't guarantee an improvement as we well know. But we simply can't just allow this clown to continue steering us to relegation with less than 30 points. A new manager might do just as badly, but at least we tried to do something. He simply can't do any worse anyway. Doing nothing and letting Jones relegate us would be negligence of historical proportions.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2019 16:43:43 GMT
It may well be mate but surely we have to give it a go with a new manager Totally agree. It's to the point where we could have playing card size photos of every living manager and have a blindfolded fan have a chuck at them on a dartboard(a fucking big one!). Whoever he hit couldn't be any worse. Apart from Nigel smarmy Adkins I totally agreeš
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2019 16:48:31 GMT
Can't remember the thread but someone put it miles better than I could. Basically, the Icelandic board managed to get a football club promoted having been in football for five minutes in comparison. Although under Coates we got 10 years of PL football, they've also got us relegated to third tier twice and well on our way to a third. There are certainly worse owners to have in terms of backing and having local interests but I'm not sure many have got a worse strategy today. Nail on head. Their strategic decisions are constantly the wrong ones. They are constantly the wrong ones because they refuse to get proper football people in who know what they are doing. Unless there is change at board level in terms of personnel then we are going down, guaranteed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2019 16:55:31 GMT
Mark Warburton went into QPR last summer 23 points from 13 games so far Grant McCann the same at Hull 19 points from 14 games Steve Cooper the same at Swansea 25 points from 14 games Slavan Bilic the same at WBA 27 points from 14 games The Cowleys have had an impact at Huddersfield also But our useless lot think 8 points from 14 games is somehow good enough to keep his jobšthe mind boggles and this after having 4 months prior to the new season startingš¤
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 17:08:46 GMT
Stable, local owners with the clubs best interest at heart though.... This one would be absolutely unforgivable and inexcusable given the level of finance invested. This one would take incompetence to a whole new level. One of the reasons that Peter Coates bought the club back in 2006 was that he didn't want to be remembered as a chairman who'd taken the club down to it's lowest ever position. Yet here we are again, not even five years after blowing the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs off the pitch at the Britannia Stadium, on the brink of a repeat. He can't be compared to the Oystons or Venkys (or the clowns who run Coventry) of this world, but by God, it takes a serious level of incompetence and delusion to guide a club from ninth place in the Premier League to joint bottom of the Championship in little over three years. Dave, if you've read my posts over the last month or so you'll know I agree with that sentiment. I'm distraught and flabbergasted in equal measure. They've spectacularly failed us yet at the same time I genuinely believe their intentions were good. Just exceptionally misguided and lacking in serious nouse. The irony being that they are indeed taking us down to the same level as those dreadful owners.
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 28, 2019 17:26:46 GMT
Stable, local owners with the clubs best interest at heart though.... This one would be absolutely unforgivable and inexcusable given the level of finance invested. This one would take incompetence to a whole new level. One of the reasons that Peter Coates bought the club back in 2006 was that he didn't want to be remembered as a chairman who'd taken the club down to it's lowest ever position. Yet here we are again, not even five years after blowing the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs off the pitch at the Britannia Stadium, on the brink of a repeat. He can't be compared to the Oystons or Venkys (or the clowns who run Coventry) of this world, but by God, it takes a serious level of incompetence and delusion to guide a club from ninth place in the Premier League to joint bottom of the Championship in little over three years. Blackpool and Coventry could be playing tier 2 footy next year - unlike us I get what you mean though I think the Coates family are proving that, yet again, they are the problem and it is bizarre one because they are decent people with Stoke at heart. I would hate to see them go, but dread their next move should they stay - the club is an absolute omnishambles at the moment, from the position we were in it has taken an incredible amount of feck-ups to get us to where we have arrived - it has been some achievement Egos appear to be the problem all the way through the club and it looks like John won't let NJ go as that would be admitting defeat. That and I honestly think they will keep him till January just so that said egos can bring the players in they want - in the window, rather than a manager having a say in the matter(see last 2 January's)
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Post by dreamtheater on Oct 28, 2019 17:29:43 GMT
I find the questioning of the Coates family ownership amazing. I find the operation and management though, staggeringly profligate, wasteful and incompetent. Can we go down ? I would say easily yes given, the mess we now have both on and off the pitch. The CEO shouldve been sacked years ago and the current manager is simply not up to the job . The squad is now league 1 standard having had a fortune sanctioned and then, spent on it. My Take. Stoke City will be relegated unless one Tony leaves and another one comes in .
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Post by questionable on Oct 28, 2019 17:30:28 GMT
Iām all about the present and loathe the shambolic parasites who own this club, the ā whatās all the fuss aboutā did it for me, they can shove the club for me.
What I know makes me physically sick
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 28, 2019 17:35:34 GMT
Can't remember the thread but someone put it miles better than I could. Basically, the Icelandic board managed to get a football club promoted having been in football for five minutes in comparison. Although under Coates we got 10 years of PL football, they've also got us relegated to third tier twice and well on our way to a third. There are certainly worse owners to have in terms of backing and having local interests but I'm not sure many have got a worse strategy today. But under the Icelandics, we'd most probably have sunk back into the third tier long ago, or at best have had a further 15 years absence from the top tier under our belts.
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 28, 2019 17:38:49 GMT
One of the reasons that Peter Coates bought the club back in 2006 was that he didn't want to be remembered as a chairman who'd taken the club down to it's lowest ever position. Yet here we are again, not even five years after blowing the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs off the pitch at the Britannia Stadium, on the brink of a repeat. He can't be compared to the Oystons or Venkys (or the clowns who run Coventry) of this world, but by God, it takes a serious level of incompetence and delusion to guide a club from ninth place in the Premier League to joint bottom of the Championship in little over three years. Blackpool and Coventry could be playing tier 2 footy next year - unlike us I get what you mean though I think the Coates family are proving that, yet again, they are the problem and it is bizarre one because they are decent people with Stoke at heart. I would hate to see them go, but dread their next move should they stay - the club is an absolute omnishambles at the moment, from the position we were in it has taken an incredible amount of feck-ups to get us to where we have arrived - it has been some achievement Egos appear to be the problem all the way through the club and it looks like John won't let NJ go as that would be admitting defeat. That and I honestly think they will keep him till January just so that said egos can bring the players in they want - in the window, rather than a manager having a say in the matter(see last 2 January's) My new favourite word! Well Done Sir!
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