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Post by Goonie on Aug 7, 2019 11:24:01 GMT
Despite it seeming an absurd possibility, there has to be 3 teams wanker than us, statistically at least.....so it's a no from me
Worse case scenario bottom third, but on size, status and money spent last 18months we should be top 3
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 7, 2019 11:29:07 GMT
14/1 with our leaders for the drop. They are a hugely successful, professionally run business. We are being run by the Forrest Gump of the family and I don't mean Peter! I am becoming more and more convinced that Peter has been taking a backseat and it's John that has overseen this demise. Would Denise employ anyone at the club at Bet365?
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Post by borat on Aug 7, 2019 11:37:01 GMT
If we don't get a run going or keep losing/drawing then confidence will be low and yes we could get dragged in, Barnsley and luton will stay up, so it's a lottery, personally think we'll finish about 16th.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 7, 2019 11:45:31 GMT
As bad as Saturday was , I don’t think there’s any chance we will go down. There’s some pretty horrendous teams in this league, we will be better than at least 3 of them come May ...said every relegated club ever. I definitely didn’t say that when we were relegated from the Prem
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 7, 2019 11:54:48 GMT
I have delayed any comment on this board despite the provocation from the management which would have prompted it earlier but the time has come to give a personal view. I confess to being one of those after almost 60 years of supporting the club, took the advice of some of our less tolerant posters on here and f*****d off at the end of last season and did not renew my season ticket. I simply could not bear watching the mediocre rubbish that was being trotted out in the name of our once great club constantly being talked by the directors and a succession of ever deluded managers. I am not a johnny come lately premiership only supporter so lets get that out of the way. I am passionate about Stoke City but we as a society have come to expect more for our money than just the opportunity to attend and happyclap whatever is on offer even though it may be rubbish (and rubbish it has been). The way in which the club has fallen from grace in the hands of the present board is scandalous over the last 3 plus years and I still cannot get my head around how the Coates family with all its business nous seems to have no idea what was and is still required. The demise was foreseeable as many on here (often derided for their negativity)stated and even in the darkest days under MH it could have been turned around with strong board and on field management. The problem has been that our tenure in the premiership raised expectations amongst the majority of fans and that is now having a knock on effect with how fans see what is now going on. The difference between now and 4 years ago is unrecognisable and for many intolerable. I am one of those and chose to vote with my feet and not put any more money in the hands of Stoke City and their merry management team. I am not alone and it is self evident from season tickets sold and more importantly bums on actual seat at matches in person. Any one believing there were 24k plus at Saturdays game needs to go to Specsavers. I cannot find anywhere the real figures for attendances other than the club generated one which includes all season tickets sold but not matched by an attendance. If something doesn't change soon and I see nothing from the present manger top persuade me it will, actual attendance will continue to drop as they did last season. I can already hear the keyboard warriors response to this - "f**k off up the vale" *good riddance and stay away". Good luck to you as you will be watching division 1 football soon sadly and you can then big it up about how you have stuck with them through thick and thin and in much worse times. This thread is about any possibility of relegation. Of course there is - Jones record so far is relegation material. He talks the talk cannot walk the walk. I am sure he is a very nice man but nice men in football get nowhere fast and that is where he is taking Stoke. This board bleats about wasted money but what can possibly inspire about the mediocrity Jones has brought into the club. We are average at best and at worst poor and in decline rapidly. Jones wanted time to get his own style and players in. Well here we are and its not looking good. Looks to me like a man out of his depth and no idea how to respond. Too early to say relegation is definitely on the cards but if this continues to the end of September its on the cards as a distinct possibility. As for promotion, I would love to see it but I am not deluded, as even top 10 would be a miracle. Teams considered much inferior to us gave us the run around last season and will do so again. I want the best for the club but cannot see where it is going to come from. The club will always have its happy clappy hardcore willing to attend whatever but those 10k are welcome to it - many like me with a complete lifetime of supporting the club just cannot stand it any more and have taken the decision to stay away rather than just attend and be negative about all aspects of what is going. I have only posted in the face of some of the nonsense posted bout the possibility of promotion still being on the cards. Wake up and watch the games (I do wander whether many on here actually go to or even watch the games). At the end of this season unless a miracle happens there will be many more like me and those who have already voted with their feet. I feel cheated by the club in so many respects but mostly for robbing me of the experience and enjoyment of my Saturday afternoons (yes I know it s not often a Saturday). I never expected us to be Barcelona but to be as we are now is just a step too far for me. So tin hat on best insulting replies if any at the ready Has dreamtheatre hired a ghostwriter?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 12:30:58 GMT
The squad should be too good to get relegated but we have a losing mindset we're struggling to shake off. The longer it continues the harder it gets to change.We HAVE to start winning games on a regular basis soon. If we don't we'll be near the bottom,the pressure will build on Jones and before you know it he'll be on his bike and we'll be looking for a rescue act. It's not knicker wetting, we've been a losing team for 3 1/2 years, that's not a blip in form
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2019 12:33:49 GMT
I have delayed any comment on this board despite the provocation from the management which would have prompted it earlier but the time has come to give a personal view. I confess to being one of those after almost 60 years of supporting the club, took the advice of some of our less tolerant posters on here and f*****d off at the end of last season and did not renew my season ticket. I simply could not bear watching the mediocre rubbish that was being trotted out in the name of our once great club constantly being talked by the directors and a succession of ever deluded managers. I am not a johnny come lately premiership only supporter so lets get that out of the way. I am passionate about Stoke City but we as a society have come to expect more for our money than just the opportunity to attend and happyclap whatever is on offer even though it may be rubbish (and rubbish it has been). The way in which the club has fallen from grace in the hands of the present board is scandalous over the last 3 plus years and I still cannot get my head around how the Coates family with all its business nous seems to have no idea what was and is still required. The demise was foreseeable as many on here (often derided for their negativity)stated and even in the darkest days under MH it could have been turned around with strong board and on field management. The problem has been that our tenure in the premiership raised expectations amongst the majority of fans and that is now having a knock on effect with how fans see what is now going on. The difference between now and 4 years ago is unrecognisable and for many intolerable. I am one of those and chose to vote with my feet and not put any more money in the hands of Stoke City and their merry management team. I am not alone and it is self evident from season tickets sold and more importantly bums on actual seat at matches in person. Any one believing there were 24k plus at Saturdays game needs to go to Specsavers. I cannot find anywhere the real figures for attendances other than the club generated one which includes all season tickets sold but not matched by an attendance. If something doesn't change soon and I see nothing from the present manger top persuade me it will, actual attendance will continue to drop as they did last season. I can already hear the keyboard warriors response to this - "f**k off up the vale" *good riddance and stay away". Good luck to you as you will be watching division 1 football soon sadly and you can then big it up about how you have stuck with them through thick and thin and in much worse times. This thread is about any possibility of relegation. Of course there is - Jones record so far is relegation material. He talks the talk cannot walk the walk. I am sure he is a very nice man but nice men in football get nowhere fast and that is where he is taking Stoke. This board bleats about wasted money but what can possibly inspire about the mediocrity Jones has brought into the club. We are average at best and at worst poor and in decline rapidly. Jones wanted time to get his own style and players in. Well here we are and its not looking good. Looks to me like a man out of his depth and no idea how to respond. Too early to say relegation is definitely on the cards but if this continues to the end of September its on the cards as a distinct possibility. As for promotion, I would love to see it but I am not deluded, as even top 10 would be a miracle. Teams considered much inferior to us gave us the run around last season and will do so again. I want the best for the club but cannot see where it is going to come from. The club will always have its happy clappy hardcore willing to attend whatever but those 10k are welcome to it - many like me with a complete lifetime of supporting the club just cannot stand it any more and have taken the decision to stay away rather than just attend and be negative about all aspects of what is going. I have only posted in the face of some of the nonsense posted bout the possibility of promotion still being on the cards. Wake up and watch the games (I do wander whether many on here actually go to or even watch the games). At the end of this season unless a miracle happens there will be many more like me and those who have already voted with their feet. I feel cheated by the club in so many respects but mostly for robbing me of the experience and enjoyment of my Saturday afternoons (yes I know it s not often a Saturday). I never expected us to be Barcelona but to be as we are now is just a step too far for me. So tin hat on best insulting replies if any at the ready Has dreamtheatre hired a ghostwriter? It remains to be seen if that is the case.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 7, 2019 14:05:22 GMT
There are too many diabolical teams for us to finish bottom of the league. We are shit though. It was thinking like that that saw us drop out of the Premier.
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Post by dbmbswtfac on Aug 7, 2019 14:31:48 GMT
Is relegation a possibility?
Of course it is !
Don’t be discouraged
We can do it!
We all have to pull together Chairman, Chief Exec, stadium management, ticket office, football Manager and Fans
How is our relegation fight going so far?
We have made a great start
Fans: booing our penalty taker .... check
Dissing new signings before they have kicked a ball .... check
Slagging off everything and anything ....check
Chief executive screwing up transfer negotiations players contracts ....check
stadium ticket office screw ups keeping fans out of home game...check
Stadium catering failed health and safety..... check
Serving warm / hot beer!... check
Players Lost first game ....check (nearly screwed up by scoring an equaliser)
Players not understanding managers tactics ...check
So come on Stoke !
Let’s not throw this away lose away at Charlton and we will have made a great start!
The Oatcake will be in raptures
What do we want? RELEGATION when do we want it NOW!
Note to players: don’t go winning a game what ever you do or the chairman may have to pay out a win bonus 😩
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 7, 2019 14:36:32 GMT
I'm finding it impossible to read these communications in tony dreamtheatre layout
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Post by baystokie on Aug 7, 2019 14:42:55 GMT
I have delayed any comment on this board despite the provocation from the management which would have prompted it earlier but the time has come to give a personal view. I confess to being one of those after almost 60 years of supporting the club, took the advice of some of our less tolerant posters on here and f*****d off at the end of last season and did not renew my season ticket. I simply could not bear watching the mediocre rubbish that was being trotted out in the name of our once great club constantly being talked by the directors and a succession of ever deluded managers. I am not a johnny come lately premiership only supporter so lets get that out of the way. I am passionate about Stoke City but we as a society have come to expect more for our money than just the opportunity to attend and happyclap whatever is on offer even though it may be rubbish (and rubbish it has been). The way in which the club has fallen from grace in the hands of the present board is scandalous over the last 3 plus years and I still cannot get my head around how the Coates family with all its business nous seems to have no idea what was and is still required. The demise was foreseeable as many on here (often derided for their negativity)stated and even in the darkest days under MH it could have been turned around with strong board and on field management. The problem has been that our tenure in the premiership raised expectations amongst the majority of fans and that is now having a knock on effect with how fans see what is now going on. The difference between now and 4 years ago is unrecognisable and for many intolerable. I am one of those and chose to vote with my feet and not put any more money in the hands of Stoke City and their merry management team. I am not alone and it is self evident from season tickets sold and more importantly bums on actual seat at matches in person. Any one believing there were 24k plus at Saturdays game needs to go to Specsavers. I cannot find anywhere the real figures for attendances other than the club generated one which includes all season tickets sold but not matched by an attendance. If something doesn't change soon and I see nothing from the present manger top persuade me it will, actual attendance will continue to drop as they did last season. I can already hear the keyboard warriors response to this - "f**k off up the vale" *good riddance and stay away". Good luck to you as you will be watching division 1 football soon sadly and you can then big it up about how you have stuck with them through thick and thin and in much worse times. This thread is about any possibility of relegation. Of course there is - Jones record so far is relegation material. He talks the talk cannot walk the walk. I am sure he is a very nice man but nice men in football get nowhere fast and that is where he is taking Stoke. This board bleats about wasted money but what can possibly inspire about the mediocrity Jones has brought into the club. We are average at best and at worst poor and in decline rapidly. Jones wanted time to get his own style and players in. Well here we are and its not looking good. Looks to me like a man out of his depth and no idea how to respond. Too early to say relegation is definitely on the cards but if this continues to the end of September its on the cards as a distinct possibility. As for promotion, I would love to see it but I am not deluded, as even top 10 would be a miracle. Teams considered much inferior to us gave us the run around last season and will do so again. I want the best for the club but cannot see where it is going to come from. The club will always have its happy clappy hardcore willing to attend whatever but those 10k are welcome to it - many like me with a complete lifetime of supporting the club just cannot stand it any more and have taken the decision to stay away rather than just attend and be negative about all aspects of what is going. I have only posted in the face of some of the nonsense posted bout the possibility of promotion still being on the cards. Wake up and watch the games (I do wander whether many on here actually go to or even watch the games). At the end of this season unless a miracle happens there will be many more like me and those who have already voted with their feet. I feel cheated by the club in so many respects but mostly for robbing me of the experience and enjoyment of my Saturday afternoons (yes I know it s not often a Saturday). I never expected us to be Barcelona but to be as we are now is just a step too far for me. So tin hat on best insulting replies if any at the ready No wish to insult at all BUT that is one of the longest suicide notes I've read in a long time. Hope you resist the temptation and recover.
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Post by redwhite on Aug 7, 2019 15:40:17 GMT
There are too many diabolical teams for us to finish bottom of the league. We are shit though. It was thinking like that that saw us drop out of the Premier. There were a number of shit teams in the Prem during our final season but there were also a lot of unbeatable teams. Last season proved that this league, quality-wise, is woeful. We didn’t come up against a single special side. It would take something seriously impressive to be shitter than all of the other teams in this league.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 7, 2019 15:46:13 GMT
It was thinking like that that saw us drop out of the Premier. There were a number of shit teams in the Prem during our final season but there were also a lot of unbeatable teams. Last season proved that this league, quality-wise, is woeful. We didn’t come up against a single special side. It would take something seriously impressive to be shitter than all of the other teams in this league. Let's hope so. Even Reading look like they're chucking a bit of money around.
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 7, 2019 21:10:21 GMT
I am just hoping that QPR are one of the best sides in the division. Got the feeling if they actually tried a bit harder at 2-0 it might have been 6 or 7. We could replay that game 20 times and never come out as a winner. It was like Vauxhall Conference vs Championship.
I would take 20th right now
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 8, 2019 16:02:58 GMT
the rules of the game are simple ... the team that scores the most goals, wins .
Quite simply , if you don't have a goal scorer , you can lose any match and its going to be a long hard season .
Unless we find a James Beattie or a Ricardo Fuller from somewhere , we are in trouble .
it's not even , as if we have a liam Lawrence and a cresser , chipping in a goal or three, from out wide
if this team , doesn't have a striker , then it's BEGGING to be in a relegation scrap and it's going to get one .
Imo , an absolute lightweight untried youngster like Campbell , walks into this team , by virtue of being the only striker not totally fecking hopeless in front of goal .
A situation , which frankly suggests , we are in trouble .
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Post by mattyd on Aug 8, 2019 16:07:51 GMT
Relegation is a real possibility. So is automatic promotion. So is promotion via play offs. So is play off heartache. So is mid table obscurity. So is surviving a relegation scrap on the final day.
Hope this insightful prediction helps, and clears up any doubt what this season will bring.
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Post by southstanddan on Aug 8, 2019 16:08:47 GMT
Relegation is a real possibility. So is automatic promotion. So is promotion via play offs. So is play off heartache. So is mid table obscurity. So is surviving a relegation scrap on the final day. Hope this insightful prediction helps, and clears up any doubt what this season will bring. You forgot to mention the cups?
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Aug 8, 2019 16:09:17 GMT
Entirely possible unless we can get a system working with our rogues gallery of a squad.
God knows.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 8, 2019 16:10:51 GMT
Possible yes probable no.
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Post by stokefan1972 on Aug 11, 2019 14:44:21 GMT
It certainly looks possible now
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 11, 2019 14:50:29 GMT
Keep Jones and then it’s 50/50
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Post by mcw on Aug 11, 2019 14:56:49 GMT
Who knows, if they play like Saturday consistently then relegation is a real possibility and anyone who puts their heads in the sand and things wealthy backers means we can avoid the drop is a moron. We are low on confidence, fight and spirit at this point in time. "Who knows"?????? I do! I will contact you come the end of the season! We shall see who the moron is! I hope you do as it will mean we are still in this division!
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Post by stokefan1972 on Aug 11, 2019 14:59:29 GMT
Keep Jones and we are definitely going down . Get Chris hughton in
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 15:09:27 GMT
Sounds ludicrous but You just never know, do you ? Many clubs have dropped out of the prem and kept dropping, it does happen! All it takes is a series of bad managerial appointments and poor signings and once you get sucked into it it’s hard to get out.
It’s usually clubs with financial problems who drop out of the prem and keep dropping though, much more likely we’re going to be a mid table championship club for the foreseeable future.
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 11, 2019 17:00:34 GMT
2 games in. Wow.
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Post by kjpt140v on Aug 11, 2019 17:52:14 GMT
I know, i know...this is the sort of thread title that would usually have me spitting out my coco-pops in laughter at the usual overreaction to one defeat. However, when I look at our squad, I can't help but think that in the worst case scenario we're not that far removed from a relegation side. Difficult to believe when you start looking at who we still have on our books, but we had them all last season too and there were certain points during the season when the 'R' word did start to get mentioned. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how high the players' reputations are on an individual basis, we've seen time and time again how they don't make any sort of cohesive collective, whether that's down to poor tactics, poor attitudes or just a collection of players who have absolutely no connection with each other on the pitch. The strikeforce worries me more than anything. Afobe and Vokes look like a modern day partnership of Vincent Pericard and Keith Scott. I don't think it matters who else you've got in your team if the front men are such complete and utter duffers as you're never going to score enough goals. To compensate for this, you'd think a midfield of Nick Powell, Joe Allen and Peter Etebo would be more than good enough for a Premier League side, let alone a championship one, but there are huge question marks over Allen's consistency, Etebo has made a few murmurs in the past about moving on, and nobody can be sure how well Powell's going to fit in. I'm not going to start another rant about McClean, but the likes of Clucas and Woods aren't that much better than him, while Cousins has arrived with a reputation of being the epitome of mediocre. The defence is another worry. we don't have a left back other than the geriatric Ward, the manager seems to have convinced himself that our one good full-back needs replacing with someone who's not as good, while the centre-back situation isn't exactly stable either. Overall, I'd still probably say there are enough pockets of quality in that side (the midfield's decent on the whole) to get at least 50-something points, but there are also huge chasms of worry that I can't see being addressed for one reason or another. Do I need to go for a lie down, or has the possibility of another 89/90 or 97/98 catastrophe entered anyone else's mind? Yes but so is promotion, winning the FA Cup and League Cup, remaining in Europe, Alan Carr being funny, 3 minute mile, swimming the atlantic and Boris Johnson telling the truth. Actually the last one is a lie.
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Post by stokiesteve on Aug 11, 2019 17:58:05 GMT
Is relegation a possibility?
Yep. You bet your ass brother.
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Post by seanpearse on Aug 11, 2019 18:19:12 GMT
A view from the outside Derby county fan I don't think you can possibly be relegated I thought your new manager was the correct appointment I was wrong he isn't Not here to offer advice or take the p1ss I have opinions but wish you luck and hope you get everything sorted.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 11, 2019 18:29:36 GMT
After yesterday i would say relegation is a definite possibility.
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Aug 11, 2019 18:48:34 GMT
There is the possibility of some real beatings over the next few games when we come up against teams of real quality who will expose us when heads go down. We have to act before we get into the position that Ipswich found themselves in early on.
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