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Post by PolPotter on Aug 6, 2019 20:03:14 GMT
It's absolutely possible. You would expect there to be other teams worse than Stoke at this stage but if the situation at the club can get any worse then you have to wonder. It's just a volcano situation for me. It's only a matter of time.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 6, 2019 20:04:13 GMT
Why was my post deleted admin?
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 6, 2019 20:05:39 GMT
Put it this way, if you asked me to put my house on us staying up... I wouldn’t.
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Post by stokefan1972 on Aug 6, 2019 20:05:55 GMT
Why was my post deleted admin? it's here now
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 6, 2019 20:16:10 GMT
Why was my post deleted admin? it's here now Where?
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Post by stokefan1972 on Aug 6, 2019 20:17:30 GMT
I'm being friendly what did you say?
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 6, 2019 20:19:26 GMT
Anyone who gives this post any Creedance needs to find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon! Stoke will finish in the top half of the table! Well that's fucking amazing isn't it?
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 6, 2019 20:20:04 GMT
I'm being friendly what did you say? I said that probably Tony Pulis is waiting in the wings. 😊 Some remarkably sensitive administration on duty tonight.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 6, 2019 20:21:41 GMT
I know, i know...this is the sort of thread title that would usually have me spitting out my coco-pops in laughter at the usual overreaction to one defeat. However, when I look at our squad, I can't help but think that in the worst case scenario we're not that far removed from a relegation side. Difficult to believe when you start looking at who we still have on our books, but we had them all last season too and there were certain points during the season when the 'R' word did start to get mentioned. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how high the players' reputations are on an individual basis, we've seen time and time again how they don't make any sort of cohesive collective, whether that's down to poor tactics, poor attitudes or just a collection of players who have absolutely no connection with each other on the pitch. The strikeforce worries me more than anything. Afobe and Vokes look like a modern day partnership of Vincent Pericard and Keith Scott. I don't think it matters who else you've got in your team if the front men are such complete and utter duffers as you're never going to score enough goals. To compensate for this, you'd think a midfield of Nick Powell, Joe Allen and Peter Etebo would be more than good enough for a Premier League side, let alone a championship one, but there are huge question marks over Allen's consistency, Etebo has made a few murmurs in the past about moving on, and nobody can be sure how well Powell's going to fit in. I'm not going to start another rant about McClean, but the likes of Clucas and Woods aren't that much better than him, while Cousins has arrived with a reputation of being the epitome of mediocre. The defence is another worry. we don't have a left back other than the geriatric Ward, the manager seems to have convinced himself that our one good full-back needs replacing with someone who's not as good, while the centre-back situation isn't exactly stable either. Overall, I'd still probably say there are enough pockets of quality in that side (the midfield's decent on the whole) to get at least 50-something points, but there are also huge chasms of worry that I can't see being addressed for one reason or another. Do I need to go for a lie down, or has the possibility of another 89/90 or 97/98 catastrophe entered anyone else's mind? With this lot in charge anything is possible Even promotion
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 6, 2019 20:22:10 GMT
Absolutely but at the moment so is promotion.
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Post by Davef on Aug 6, 2019 20:24:20 GMT
I'm being friendly what did you say? I said that probably Tony Pulis is waiting in the wings. 😊 Some remarkably sensitive administration on duty tonight. No, just fed up of every other thread being spammed with this shit and the squabbling that inevitably follows. We've even having to remove posts about Tony from threads about Imbula and Gayle!
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Post by dano75 on Aug 6, 2019 20:26:13 GMT
Yes it is
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 6, 2019 20:31:31 GMT
I said that probably Tony Pulis is waiting in the wings. 😊 Some remarkably sensitive administration on duty tonight. No, just fed up of every other thread being spammed with this shit and the squabbling that inevitably follows. We've even having to remove posts about Tony from threads about Imbula and Gayle! Sorry about that .... It was only a joke. Don't you think though it just adds to the flavour of the message board. There are obviously people who still like TP etc .. and to me it gives a very rounded expression of views on him and his affect on our club😊 Ok.. any bad language and abuse cannot be tolerated but to censor supporters sometimes genuine feelings on TP is probably wrong. You're the boss though. Congratulations on a superb final edition by the way. I didn't realise you worked there.
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Post by royalewithcheese on Aug 6, 2019 20:36:42 GMT
I know, i know...this is the sort of thread title that would usually have me spitting out my coco-pops in laughter at the usual overreaction to one defeat. However, when I look at our squad, I can't help but think that in the worst case scenario we're not that far removed from a relegation side. Difficult to believe when you start looking at who we still have on our books, but we had them all last season too and there were certain points during the season when the 'R' word did start to get mentioned. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how high the players' reputations are on an individual basis, we've seen time and time again how they don't make any sort of cohesive collective, whether that's down to poor tactics, poor attitudes or just a collection of players who have absolutely no connection with each other on the pitch. The strikeforce worries me more than anything. Afobe and Vokes look like a modern day partnership of Vincent Pericard and Keith Scott. I don't think it matters who else you've got in your team if the front men are such complete and utter duffers as you're never going to score enough goals. To compensate for this, you'd think a midfield of Nick Powell, Joe Allen and Peter Etebo would be more than good enough for a Premier League side, let alone a championship one, but there are huge question marks over Allen's consistency, Etebo has made a few murmurs in the past about moving on, and nobody can be sure how well Powell's going to fit in. I'm not going to start another rant about McClean, but the likes of Clucas and Woods aren't that much better than him, while Cousins has arrived with a reputation of being the epitome of mediocre. The defence is another worry. we don't have a left back other than the geriatric Ward, the manager seems to have convinced himself that our one good full-back needs replacing with someone who's not as good, while the centre-back situation isn't exactly stable either. Overall, I'd still probably say there are enough pockets of quality in that side (the midfield's decent on the whole) to get at least 50-something points, but there are also huge chasms of worry that I can't see being addressed for one reason or another. Do I need to go for a lie down, or has the possibility of another 89/90 or 97/98 catastrophe entered anyone else's mind? I think not. However we undoubtedly look closer to relegation than we do promotion. The most alarming thing is how overwhelmingly positive the manager is. I used to take it as a throwaway comment, but maybe "god willing" is meant literally. Hes hoping for a miracle.
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Post by Davef on Aug 6, 2019 20:37:32 GMT
No, just fed up of every other thread being spammed with this shit and the squabbling that inevitably follows. We've even having to remove posts about Tony from threads about Imbula and Gayle! Sorry about that .... It was only a joke. Don't you think though it just adds to the flavour of the message board. There are obviously people who still like TP etc .. and to me it gives a very rounded expression of views on him and his affect on our club😊 Ok.. any bad language and abuse cannot be tolerated but to censor supporters sometimes genuine feelings on TP is probably wrong. You're the boss though. Congratulations on a superb final edition by the way. I didn't realise you worked there. Fair enough. And thanks.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 6, 2019 20:40:06 GMT
I think even by our own very bad standards going down with this squad would take a monumental display of shitness. Every area we have should be more than good enough to keep us easily afloat and much, much more but Saturday did little to allay any concerns for the season. If you can lose at home to QPR then you can lose to anybody.
I was backing us for top 6 last week so I’m probably being mega fickle even thinking we could go down but if we lose to Charlton it’s a truly awful start to another season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 20:42:03 GMT
If we look at the last 20 or so results then it's relegation form.
If we look at our last few games against Norwich and Sheff Utd last season then you'd argue not.
But
QPR was woeful. Poor going forward, poor at the back, poor at keeping the ball, poor in the selected formation....just poor all over YET the manager thinks we deserved a point if not more.
He promised everything and on Saturday delivered nothing. It's bloody worrying
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 6, 2019 20:45:07 GMT
It is with the 11 that started on Saturday. Things need to change quick or it’ll get poisonous again and that could really make things difficult. There’s a lot of frustration at the club because the fans can see what the board / manager can’t re the imbalance of the squad. No more signings and there’ll be bad feeling because it’ll be them saying we’re happy with the dreadful squad.
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 6, 2019 20:46:52 GMT
I mean mathematically yes.
Anyone with any idea of reality. NO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 20:48:43 GMT
We are literally currently in relegation form with our win rate since January so it’s more likely than promotion is it not?
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Post by chad on Aug 6, 2019 20:51:30 GMT
Three wins in twenty three games says it’s not only possible but actually quite probable
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 6, 2019 20:55:59 GMT
Nathan needs to get back to what he does best and that's engineering 0-0 draws. I am sure he will maybe starting on saturday. With the odd win thrown in we will have enough to stay up. Anyhow there must be 3 worse teams in this league? Hopefully
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Post by zigazaga on Aug 6, 2019 20:57:11 GMT
Yes most most definatley. Jones is a fraud and Stoke will typically leave it too late (post Christmas) until they sack him leaving us to nose dive into oblivion. But saying that if Bauer, Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino, N'Dyiaye and Diouf hit a bit of form we should possibly be OK.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 6, 2019 21:00:51 GMT
The record under NJ is now relegation form. Whatever I or anyone thinks about giving Jones a good run, the reaction to Saturday plus the expectations of promotion from the club mean there is no way NJ will last if this continues beyond the opening 15 games or so.
If that happens, it really would be seat of our pants time, with echoes of Sunderland getting rid of Grayson.
The odds remain though that NJ and these players will start to do better than this.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 6, 2019 21:17:48 GMT
After what has so far been another catastrophic transfer window that has made the squad WORSE, we now have cousins anchoring our midfield, mcclean as a full back, and afobe/vokes partnership up front.
Yes, we could go down
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 6, 2019 21:34:23 GMT
With nutty Nathan in charge Yes his record so far confirms it, he is on evidence so far worse than Rowett. James McClean LWB seriously the mans off his tit's
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 21:59:38 GMT
No because someone just said give Jones 3 years I don't know if you're referring to me, because I've said on a consistent basis that I'd give him 3-5 years. However in that lengthy time sequence relegation is allowed, in fact it may even be a good thing, if the team is seen to be progressing despite the many backwards players. But of course it's also a risky business. The first game doesn't tell you anything apart from us being very poor and it indicates that further players need to be moved on and more quality players are needed. No team ever was relegated on the basis of the first game, but of course if you zoom in on Jones' 23-match sequence with 3 wins and many draws and quite a few defeats, not to mention abysmal form, then that signifies relegation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 22:05:38 GMT
3 wins in 23 (or whatever the stat is) is relegation form. So yes.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 6, 2019 22:33:52 GMT
3 wins in 26 games- of course it's a possibility. A win record like that would be shameful in the Premier League never mind against Championship (and Shrewsbury). We've got some appalling stats to our name from the past year or two and IMHO there's more chance of this club, as it's currently being mismanaged, leaving via, the bottom end than the top end.
Having said that, a spell in League 1 isn't the end of the world- look at Wolves, Leicester, Soton and Norwich- but with the current Old Boys' Club running the show we'd probably make a clusterfuck out of that.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 6, 2019 22:40:33 GMT
Unless Jones starts picking up some wins (that have been few and far between for him in his time at Stoke, thus far), I'd say relegation seems more likely than promotion!!!
Over to you Jones!!!
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