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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 3, 2019 15:44:12 GMT
Genuine question. They can't all be wank, surely? Or can they?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 3, 2019 15:45:29 GMT
Both.
Wank players and Jones trying to play them in a wank formation that doesn’t suit any of them.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 3, 2019 15:49:28 GMT
Both. Wank players and Jones trying to play them in a wank formation that doesn’t suit any of them. Trouble is, he lives and dies for the diamond. I agree with you, I don't think it suits us at all. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Aug 3, 2019 15:56:21 GMT
The pessimist in me thinks it's neither, rather it's more likely the wrong sport altogether.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 3, 2019 15:57:09 GMT
We've looked better with Campbell, Ince and Gregory and a change of system...............
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Post by onionman on Aug 3, 2019 15:58:10 GMT
Of course it’s both. They’re a rubbish bunch of players but they’re Jones’s rubbish bunch of players.
Jones is further responsible for thinking they could play a system they’re clearly not capable of playing.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 3, 2019 15:58:14 GMT
Wrong manager, wrong system, wrong summer recruitment.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 3, 2019 15:58:26 GMT
Both
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 3, 2019 15:58:27 GMT
We've looked better with Campbell, Ince and Gregory and a change of system............... before the formation change, we looked every bit the same piss poor of last season, after the changes we looked much better. |
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Post by liamo on Aug 3, 2019 15:59:43 GMT
We've looked better with Campbell, Ince and Gregory and a change of system............... before the formation change, we looked every bit the same piss poor of last season, after the changes we looked much better. Which is worrying considering he's spent so much time and brought players in based on playing that shit failure of a formation |
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 3, 2019 16:00:20 GMT
the stubbornness of jones/rowett/lambert/hughes to make changes early in the game, to be proactive, to play to our strengths is mind boggling.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 3, 2019 16:01:07 GMT
Formation.
It won’t work.
Bin it off now.
And don’t play Afobe.
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Post by LiverpoolStokie on Aug 3, 2019 16:01:27 GMT
It was the changes that made a difference so its down to initial team selection. Had Volkes taken that early chance and Butters not made a poor decision it may have been a lot different.
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Post by liamo on Aug 3, 2019 16:01:39 GMT
Jones wanted to play a certain formation, players we've brought in don't suit said formation, Jones changes formation and we do better
Still.. what do you make of that?
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Post by strettonstokie on Aug 3, 2019 16:02:19 GMT
It was the changes that made a difference so its down to initial team selection. Had Volkes taken that early chance and Butters not made a poor decision it may have been a lot different. Shoulda woulda coulda mate |
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 3, 2019 16:02:30 GMT
But dressing room issues have been solved
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Post by chad on Aug 3, 2019 16:03:16 GMT
He bought the players to suit the diamond !!!!!
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Post by nott1 on Aug 3, 2019 16:03:35 GMT
Jones is taking us nowhere you heard it here firs........millionth.
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Post by milky on Aug 3, 2019 16:04:35 GMT
Manager brings in players not capable of playing his preferred system.
Its Groundhog Day.
Thats Hughes , Rowett and now seemingly Jones.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 3, 2019 16:04:40 GMT
He bought the players to suit the diamond !!!!! Which is strange as they don’t. We can’t play it again. |
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Post by mrteddysalad on Aug 3, 2019 16:05:17 GMT
Wrong manager, wrong system, wrong summer recruitment. The summer transfers looked good to me. Afobe, Vokes and Allen were the wankest of the wank. |
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Post by stokierich on Aug 3, 2019 16:05:34 GMT
He's hasn't got clue, said it last season if he can't the basics right what chance have we got.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 16:05:44 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 3, 2019 16:06:39 GMT
The pessimist in me thinks it's neither, rather it's more likely the wrong sport altogether. Yeah I'm going back to the cricket to be honest. Wish it lasted longer. Fuck football |
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 3, 2019 16:07:49 GMT
He signed a lot of the team.
He picked the players.
He 'motivated' the players.
He set them up as how he wanted.
I think it;s Jones fault at the moment in my view.
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Post by minnierover on Aug 3, 2019 16:08:08 GMT
Whilst he inherited 2 awful players, who cost big money and are tied into long lucrative contracts in Maclean and Afobe, he’s also bought in 6 very average players so of course it’s his fault at the moment. He’ll be gone soon if his awful record continues. Well beaten today.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 3, 2019 16:25:11 GMT
Both - inexperienced manager and a bunch of mediocre players and NO FUCKING SPIRIT
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 3, 2019 16:30:03 GMT
I've repeatedly posted that it is a 2 year exercise to turn this club round.
We have too much deadwood to remove and replace in a couple of transfer windows. Some of this summer's signings are clearly short term stop-gaps till we can get better players or develop players from the academy.
The truth does not come out till many years later when people write their memoirs. When Tommy Docherty went to ManU, he took a look at the players and told the board, we may have to be relegated this season before things can be changed back to title winning ways. The ManU board accepted that.
It took 2 years for Norwich and Sheff Utd managers to build promotion sides. They weren't starting with the players we have. If there are managers to blame it is Hughes and Rowett and the players they brought in. It is going to take time for the club to get rid of them.
Most disturbing today was not the poor form of Vokes and Afobe, I'm not surprised by them, what is disappointing in the lack of team work, basic passing was poor. The defending continues to be an issue, we have a very soft middle that other teams seem to just drive through.
It takes time to get a team of new players playing a different way. Mark Hughes first season was all change and results were poor till December and then only really took off when Odemwingie joined the club in January and we pushed on to 9th place.
The manager and players need a few months playing together to build an effective team.
Stoke don't do victory on the first day of the season.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 3, 2019 16:36:14 GMT
I've repeatedly posted that it is a 2 year exercise to turn this club round. We have too much deadwood to remove and replace in a couple of transfer windows. Some of this summer's signings are clearly short term stop-gaps till we can get better players or develop players from the academy. The truth does not come out till many years later when people write their memoirs. When Tommy Docherty went to ManU, he took a look at the players and told the board, we may have to be relegated this season before things can be changed back to title winning ways. The ManU board accepted that. It took 2 years for Norwich and Sheff Utd managers to build promotion sides. They weren't starting with the players we have. If there are managers to blame it is Hughes and Rowett and the players they brought in. It is going to take time for the club to get rid of them. Most disturbing today was not the poor form of Vokes and Afobe, I'm not surprised by them, what is disappointing in the lack of team work, basic passing was poor. The defending continues to be an issue, we have a very soft middle that other teams seem to just drive through. It takes time to get a team of new players playing a different way. Mark Hughes first season was all change and results were poor till December and then only really took off when Odemwingie joined the club in January and we pushed on to 9th place. The manager and players need a few months playing together to build an effective team. Stoke don't do victory on the first day of the season. But the clubs you mentioned recruited players to suit the managers' preferred style. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2019 16:52:46 GMT
I've repeatedly posted that it is a 2 year exercise to turn this club round. We have too much deadwood to remove and replace in a couple of transfer windows. Some of this summer's signings are clearly short term stop-gaps till we can get better players or develop players from the academy. The truth does not come out till many years later when people write their memoirs. When Tommy Docherty went to ManU, he took a look at the players and told the board, we may have to be relegated this season before things can be changed back to title winning ways. The ManU board accepted that. It took 2 years for Norwich and Sheff Utd managers to build promotion sides. They weren't starting with the players we have. If there are managers to blame it is Hughes and Rowett and the players they brought in. It is going to take time for the club to get rid of them. Most disturbing today was not the poor form of Vokes and Afobe, I'm not surprised by them, what is disappointing in the lack of team work, basic passing was poor. The defending continues to be an issue, we have a very soft middle that other teams seem to just drive through. It takes time to get a team of new players playing a different way. Mark Hughes first season was all change and results were poor till December and then only really took off when Odemwingie joined the club in January and we pushed on to 9th place. The manager and players need a few months playing together to build an effective team. Stoke don't do victory on the first day of the season. Why is he playing players out of position or brought in players who don't fit the system he prefers ? McClean is a fucking liability at LB can you really not see that ? |
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