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Post by fca47 on Aug 3, 2019 16:55:16 GMT
Jones can't be blamed for the first goal, and I think that set the tone for the game. But his selections have been strange, can't say I have seen anything in the Vokes - Afobe pairing that would make you think it would work.
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 3, 2019 16:59:10 GMT
Allen is a massive problem, Cameron looked like fucking pirlo and not just because of the barnet.
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Post by march4 on Aug 3, 2019 17:03:48 GMT
If only we could play as well as Jones talks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 17:18:12 GMT
The players were trying but he hung them out to dry in a system which will never ever suit them. I’m baffled as to how he can’t see it won’t work or ever thought it could in the first place. It’s not at all logical. The only thing he can be thinking is that it worked before so it must work again. I can’t work out if it’s naivety or arrogance.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 3, 2019 17:27:40 GMT
He's a compulsive liar.
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 3, 2019 18:03:31 GMT
It worked for Luton...end of.and bringing in players he has worked with before,smacks of letting his heart rule his head.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 18:17:23 GMT
It worked for Luton...end of.and bringing in players he has worked with before,smacks of letting his heart rule his head. We're not Luton!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 18:25:50 GMT
what is disappointing in the lack of team work, basic passing was poor. The defending continues to be an issue, we have a very soft middle that other teams seem to just drive through. Jones has spent all summer theorizing and talking to deaf ears about the diamond. The players have forgotten what it means to control a ball, to make a pass, to set up a team mate for goal chances. It's a foreign language now. He played with 8 men who were here in January. He's had his several months of teaching rhe players all the how tos. It just doesn't work!
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Post by ursems2boots on Aug 3, 2019 18:33:37 GMT
It’s Nathan, he’s the Manager.
makes things difficult for himself
He plays McClean at Left back He plays Clucas He’s tactically one dimensional Obsessed with the Diamond Still the same old dross as last year Verlinden not on even on the bench Edwards /Campbell on the bench...
Hard to love another deadman walking
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 3, 2019 18:46:32 GMT
The players he has brought in are not any better than the ones we already had here (not even as good based on what we've seen so far). He brought several players in to play his diamond system and what was evident today is that the ones that played, coupled with the sh*t he inherited are totally incapable of playing it. The last 12 minutes or so proved that and we were far better in that 442/433 formation (not quite sure, which it was). His view that McClean will make a good left back is severely flawed and will cost us big time. He even moved Clucas to left back when he changed the shape. Was that the white flag, or his stubborn view that McClean is great going forward? Smith was only effective in last few minutes, Edwards would have offered far more based on that display. Playing Clucas on the right of the diamond and Allen on the left is arse about at the very least. Cousins offers little at the base and Powell was well off the boil at the tip. We didn't create lots of openings for Vokes and Afobe but what we did, they managed to balls up anyway. Shocking display from the front two, typified by Afobe's abortion of an attempt to control the ball just before he was taken off. Butland made a right mess for their first goal and did not instill me with any confidence. I do rate him normally. Baath and Collins did OK but were left on their arses for the goals. We lacked width, energy and passion. Jones talks a great game, he needs to start delivering one and soon. His record to date is poor and he asked us to judge him after he had his pre season. he's now had it. He needs to get it sorted and bloody fast or he'll be joining the growing list of failed Stoke managers.
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Post by chad on Aug 3, 2019 19:00:36 GMT
Gone by Xmas. No doubt
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Post by stokie223 on Aug 3, 2019 20:19:33 GMT
I honestly cannot get over the fact that the manager is hellbent on playing a system that we do not have the personnel for. The diamond is fundamentally reliant on the wing backs, and we have zero at the club. I thought Clucas looked much better than McClean today personally as a LB - the latter being woeful.
McClean is not a wing back. Smith is not a wing back. Edwards is not a wing back.
Jury's still out on Ward, but he's 34 in a few weeks... it's not good enough.
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Post by Godo on Aug 3, 2019 20:34:49 GMT
Or both. Squad lacks pace, technical ability and movement. Manager trying to shoehorn a diamond out of the wrong players and sending out that starting 11 today without any clear shape, pattern or attacking match plan.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 3, 2019 20:36:41 GMT
Are the players that came in actually Jones signings or a continuation of the cock ups made before.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Aug 3, 2019 20:36:59 GMT
Too early to judge but the buck ALWAYS (and rightly) has to stop with the manager
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Post by The man from Utch on Aug 3, 2019 20:44:31 GMT
Before they scored, what was the general feeling about how we were playing?.
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 3, 2019 20:51:00 GMT
Before they scored, what was the general feeling about how we were playing?. this analogy really doesn't apply to football
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Post by march4 on Aug 3, 2019 20:54:09 GMT
It worked for Luton...end of.and bringing in players he has worked with before,smacks of letting his heart rule his head. We're not Luton! And that was the 3rd Division.
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Post by The man from Utch on Aug 3, 2019 20:54:44 GMT
Before they scored, what was the general feeling about how we were playing?. this analogy really doesn't apply to football Oh
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Post by thehoof on Aug 3, 2019 20:57:11 GMT
Before they scored, what was the general feeling about how we were playing?. For 7 minutes and 23 seconds we were the better team.
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 3, 2019 20:57:24 GMT
this analogy really doesn't apply to football Oh not one person would not take a terrible performance but a win over a great performance and a loss. Form is temporary and all that, good teams win even when they are down, we dont. We are not a good team, in addition to being a terribly ran football club.
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Post by citynumberten on Aug 3, 2019 21:01:08 GMT
We're one game into the new season. One fucking game and you're already bitching and moaning.
The club has been fucked for 4 years. Why do you suddenly expect it to get better overnight?
We had 6/7 years of massive success, then we threw it away through poor decisions over a few seasons. We now we have to regroup and rebuild. That's football...
Anyone who can't see that this will take time is part of the fucking problem. I hate modern football fans, instant success or sack the manager... Stay at home and watch fucking PSG v Rennes on Sky and leave the matchday to people who've got the stomach for it.
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Post by adiebunn on Aug 3, 2019 21:45:47 GMT
Jones said he needed a pre-season with his own players. He has had both and the football was no better than last season. Players not being played in their proper positions and those who were looked shite and in a system that he has supposed to have been perfecting all summer. 3 wins in 22(25?) is beyond relegation form. I don’t know what the solution is but the answer would appear not to be Jones.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 4, 2019 8:36:01 GMT
I honestly cannot get over the fact that the manager is hellbent on playing a system that we do not have the personnel for. The diamond is fundamentally reliant on the wing backs, and we have zero at the club. I thought Clucas looked much better than McClean today personally as a LB - the latter being woeful. McClean is not a wing back. Smith is not a wing back. Edwards is not a wing back. Jury's still out on Ward, but he's 34 in a few weeks... it's not good enough. We conceded two goals yesterday, which WB/FB were at fault? Virtually all the creation yesterday was by McClean. The 4 strikers failed to take their chances; it's clear no one practices heading any more after Geoff Astle's passing.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 4, 2019 9:20:52 GMT
Jones can be blamed for starting an obviously ineffective Vokes and Afobe strike partnership, and maybe not starting Edwards instead of Smith. When I saw the line-up, those were the two that I thought he got wrong and I didn't see anything over the 90mins (minus a couple of minutes when my stream dropped out) to convince me otherwise - that particularly goes for the Vokes/Afobe partnership.
He can't be blamed for the individual errors that led to the goals - particularly Butland for the first, which was a pathetic error.
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Post by stokie223 on Aug 4, 2019 9:58:50 GMT
I honestly cannot get over the fact that the manager is hellbent on playing a system that we do not have the personnel for. The diamond is fundamentally reliant on the wing backs, and we have zero at the club. I thought Clucas looked much better than McClean today personally as a LB - the latter being woeful. McClean is not a wing back. Smith is not a wing back. Edwards is not a wing back. Jury's still out on Ward, but he's 34 in a few weeks... it's not good enough. We conceded two goals yesterday, which WB/FB were at fault? Virtually all the creation yesterday was by McClean. The 4 strikers failed to take their chances; it's clear no one practices heading any more after Geoff Astle's passing. I didn't say that either were directly responsible for the goals conceded yesterday, I said this formation doesn't work with these players. It doesn't. The whole point of the diamond is that your full backs are one of your biggest attacking outlets, which doesn't work with the players at our disposal. Yesterday, the right back is definitely more of an old school full back - and the left back was a winger that's not good enough. McClean put in maybe one or two half decent crosses, but that was it. He's awful.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 4, 2019 10:03:36 GMT
Did anyone catch Dean Ashton's comments on Quest? "Stoke fans want to see their team playing with the pace of QPR, not the slow football that they're getting" (not an exact quote but it was along those lines).
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 4, 2019 10:37:51 GMT
40% Players 30% Jones 30% Club
I got the impression that yesterday the players were sending the manager a strong message, that they want this formation fucked off. Outside the Luton Diamond, Jones is lost and out of his depth. The club hierarchy seem quite happy with the process that has got to this point.
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 4, 2019 10:39:22 GMT
Joe Allen kills our midfield and clucas is the better option.
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 4, 2019 10:40:20 GMT
Honestly? I think it's pretty assertive the entire club is being mismanaged. Accountability is rife in every level, do you honestly think we deserve to be in the premier League? Can't even get the basics right, we deserve all the criticism and hatred we get.
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