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Post by Pugsley on Jul 29, 2019 11:41:14 GMT
It's amazing how low expectations are.
Nathan Jones has to provide a promotion push with a minimum of play-offs, pure and simple.
Anything else is failure.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 29, 2019 11:45:17 GMT
Top half, playing the kind of energetic, attacking football we've been promised, with signs in the performances that the diamond is the way forward after all and is starting to take root. That'll do for me. From what I've seen so far, including pre-season, I'm expecting it to be more of a grind than originally anticipated. I don't think we have the players or pace to play energetic football. Unless we get some pace into our central midfield and full back areas, I can't see us suddenly becoming free-flowing. Maybe I'm completely impatient but the thought of "settling" for better than last year and finishing mid-table seems extremely boring unless, like you say, it comes with a clear improvement and system in place. If it's more of the same, I don't really see how that's helped anything or anyone. I still think we should be expecting a higher finish that many seem to suggest. The money has been spent and Butland looks like he's staying so I can't really see how an OK mid-table finish is really acceptable. I'm not saying it's completely unacceptable but I do think we should have more than enough to be up there, personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 11:47:44 GMT
It will be interesting to know what the owners are expecting, demanding and will ultimately be happy to accept.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 29, 2019 11:51:03 GMT
It will be interesting to know what the owners are expecting, demanding and will ultimately be happy to accept. I'd be astonished if they think mid-table is a good result. It goes against absolutely everything Coates and the likes have come out with in the press.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 11:51:55 GMT
It will be interesting to know what the owners are expecting, demanding and will ultimately be happy to accept. I'd be astonished if they think mid-table is a good result. It goes against absolutely everything Coates and the likes have come out with in the press. What have they come out with this summer so far?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 29, 2019 11:58:24 GMT
I'd be astonished if they think mid-table is a good result. It goes against absolutely everything Coates and the likes have come out with in the press. What have they come out with this summer so far? This summer I don't really know but Coates has said we massively underachieved last season so I don't see him being simply accepting of another lowly finish.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 29, 2019 12:04:57 GMT
For me progress will be enjoying going again , its been a while and to see a bit of life back in the ground , some spirit.
Second priority has to be to set as much dead wood free as possible , still far too much hanging on , hopefully a lot will drift off in August .
I think the best the team can do is be top 10 by the turn of the year with hopefully not much of a gap to the top 6 , I expect us to be a tough side to beat just hope we can score enough .
If we achieve that then maybe to quote and ex-manager we will " push orn" in the second half of the season and strengthen in January
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 29, 2019 12:05:30 GMT
I'd be astonished if they think mid-table is a good result. It goes against absolutely everything Coates and the likes have come out with in the press. What have they come out with this summer so far? Not a lot and it's probably wise they don't come out this summer saying we want and believe in an instant return. Not seen any "where we belong" banners either. We put ourselves under a lot of pressure last summer. Best to say we have a 2 year plan etc etc, imo
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 29, 2019 12:10:37 GMT
To finish in the play offs would be a big improvement, whether we get promoted or not.
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Post by superalexneil on Jul 29, 2019 12:13:06 GMT
A good season? the thought of looking forward to match days again, selling out away ends cause we are playing for something, would take us still being either within touching distance or in the play offs with 3 to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 12:14:02 GMT
What have they come out with this summer so far? This summer I don't really know but Coates has said we massively underachieved last season so I don't see him being simply accepting of another lowly finish. No they won't and nor they should but I'm not sure that is the point or the question. If you're getting into the realms of midtable....top half....top six...play off final.... promotion.... automatic promotion It would be interesting to see which of those would be expected as a minimum and which they would be happy with.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 29, 2019 12:15:30 GMT
It's amazing how low expectations are. Nathan Jones has to provide a promotion push with a minimum of play-offs, pure and simple. Anything else is failure. Not sure how you fathom how a team from bottom half rises so quick with the recruitment we have made so far , just cant see it , expecting improvement for sure but hard to see play offs at the minute
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Post by stokemark on Jul 29, 2019 12:16:50 GMT
Of the 7 players signed only 3 look like they will be first choice players in the system and arguably Tommy Smith adds nothing more or less than Tom Edwards
We have been unable to shift most of the dead wood and last seasons Rowett signings are all still here
Why, therefore, does anyone expect anything much more than last season ? Top half will be significant progress.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 29, 2019 12:21:40 GMT
This summer I don't really know but Coates has said we massively underachieved last season so I don't see him being simply accepting of another lowly finish. No they won't and nor they should but I'm not sure that is the point or the question. If you're getting into the realms of midtable....top half....top six...play off final.... promotion.... automatic promotion It would be interesting to see which of those would be expected as a minimum and which they would be happy with. It's hard to know, isn't it? Personally, I think the squad as it is should be capable of top 6 but I really don't know if they are going to work properly in this system. I think the board will want play-offs at a minimum but will be hoping for promotion (I know we all would!) because it only gets more difficult the longer you're stuck here. I also think the division is weaker than last year.
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Post by Gods on Jul 29, 2019 12:24:26 GMT
We need to have a shot at promotion, either automatic or via the play offs, going in to the final game.
We can't have another season die on it's arse in February.
If we do I'll start losing the will to live!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 29, 2019 12:26:00 GMT
Of the 7 players signed only 3 look like they will be first choice players in the system and arguably Tommy Smith adds nothing more or less than Tom Edwards We have been unable to shift most of the dead wood and last seasons Rowett signings are all still here Why, therefore, does anyone expect anything much more than last season ? Top half will be significant progress. Do you honestly think that's what the board will want though? "OK, Nath, he's another £20 Million, go and get us another mid-table finish please" Whether the supporters expectations have been lessened, I don't know, but the board won't be viewing it as your post above. I'm not saying I necessarily completely disagree with you as some of the signings do look more like squad fillers but I think the board saw last season as a blip, with this one set out to redeem it.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 29, 2019 12:29:16 GMT
Top half. Removal of the bomb squad. Removal of bomb squad MK2 in January. Removal of bomb squad MK3 in summer. More first team experience for u23 players. Getting the fans back onside. If sold, decent value sales for Butland, Etebo and Allen.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 29, 2019 12:31:36 GMT
Oh and any game where we score more than 2. Imagine!!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 29, 2019 13:54:16 GMT
Promotion. next question.
Losing in the play-offs is wank and doesnt mean jackshit for the season after
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 29, 2019 15:05:07 GMT
It's amazing how low expectations are. Nathan Jones has to provide a promotion push with a minimum of play-offs, pure and simple. Anything else is failure. Not sure how you fathom how a team from bottom half rises so quick with the recruitment we have made so far , just cant see it , expecting improvement for sure but hard to see play offs at the minute We will have the most expensively assembled squad in the league. Nathan Jones has had a brand new team signed for him. He simply has to deliver a promotion push.
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Post by tesco on Jul 29, 2019 15:15:47 GMT
Promotion. next question. Losing in the play-offs is wank and doesnt mean jackshit for the season after*coughs* Erm .... Aston Villa?
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Post by miltonstokienew on Jul 29, 2019 15:19:02 GMT
Top 6.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 29, 2019 15:37:39 GMT
Champions - record points haul, 2 x 20+ goal-scorers and a good FA cup run - win the league cup......
Anything less and I'm never going again.....
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Post by Robo10 on Jul 29, 2019 15:44:40 GMT
Going to the game with my lads and mates, looking forward to the gane itself rather than it being an inconvenience of the day out with a few beers either side.
Honestly, the laat 3 years have been fairly joyless, no buzz on matchday - thats all I want - enjoyment, fast flowing aggressive fast football, some goals would be nice....
And I want my boys, the youngest (9) especially, to WANT to come to the match rather than having to drag him off his console.
That for me would be a good season, obvs any promotion/play off excitement is a bonus/great season.
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Post by Robo10 on Jul 29, 2019 15:46:08 GMT
Reading some others above I am glad its not just me (and I have seen some shite down the years!) who just wants to enjoy going again.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 29, 2019 18:46:35 GMT
It will be interesting to know what the owners are expecting, demanding and will ultimately be happy to accept. Given how deluded and unhinged the board have been in the past - champions league quarter finals.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 29, 2019 18:54:21 GMT
Scoring more goals than games played would be an improvement. Also it'll be nice if we don't go two years without hitting three in one game. Oh, and a last minute winner or two wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 29, 2019 19:04:37 GMT
Only having one manager for the whole season.
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 29, 2019 19:17:49 GMT
How do we define success this season? Sure anything above last has to be viewed in a positive sense but wont dull the bitter taste in the mouth of not getting promoted. Top 6 and making the play off final will be success for me. Anything less and it's really just regressing Success will be finishing higher than last season. We are way behind. The damage at Stoke is deep rooted and it will take longer than you think to change that. Anyone who thinks we are top 6 is dumb.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 29, 2019 19:18:05 GMT
Promotion.. simple, nothing else matters.. Stay another year in this Division we will be finished for a long, long time! Finished? We've been here and worse before and it hasn't "finished" us. While it is great playing against the big guns, with big(gish) name players, to me it's not about that so much as seeing a team that gives 100% effort, plays well and is always trying to score. Personally, I think the higher up the league you go, the more you encounter talented wastrels that are not prepared to put it all on the line for the club they are playing for. For every Jamie Vardy there are dozens of Jesse's. To answer the question, a good season will be one that unites the fan base behind a team that is not short on effort and attacking intent while maintaining a solid defense. Where we finish? Not really that important to me as long as we show decent progress.
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