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Jul 29, 2019 21:26:42 GMT
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Post by camstoke10 on Jul 29, 2019 21:26:42 GMT
Edwards is the best striker of a ball in the squad I reckon. this is the reason I would let him have one
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 29, 2019 21:29:53 GMT
I think Powell is a good bet to take our next penalty. Whether he will score God only knows.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 29, 2019 21:36:35 GMT
Most of us of a certain age would probably agree that the unlikeliest but ultimately excellent penalty takers we ever had was Georgie Berry.
There must have been many more technically gifted players in the squad, but penalty taking is a state of mind. You can't just chuck it at someone who can hit a ball. They've got to want it and not be scared of it.
The obvious solution now is for players to practice until their penalty taking foot can take no more. But maybe that will just make thinks worse by focussing on what is obviously now a massive psychological problem.
Personally I think the only way this can be righted is if someone gets to take one when we're three up with two minutes to go and the pressure's off.
Now if only we knew how to remove the psychological barrier of our failure to hit that third goal.
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Jul 29, 2019 21:54:03 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 29, 2019 21:54:03 GMT
Most of us of a certain age would probably agree that the unlikeliest but ultimately excellent penalty takers we ever had was Georgie Berry. There must have been many more technically gifted players in the squad, but penalty taking is a state of mind. You can't just chuck it at someone who can hit a ball. They've got to want it and not be scared of it. The obvious solution now is for players to practice until their penalty taking foot can take no more. But maybe that will just make thinks worse by focussing on what is obviously now a massive psychological problem. Personally I think the only way this can be righted is if someone gets to take one when we're three up with two minutes to go and the pressure's off. Now if only we knew how to remove the psychological barrier of our failure to hit that third goal. Can remember George striding forward at the unlikely Odsall when we won 4.1 v Bradford We hadn't had a penalty for many months (a year?). We were all shouting 'noooh' and were somewhat surprised when he buried it in the corner. Even more surprising was that he buried all of them in the same corner, didn't matter that the keeper knew where it was going they couldn't stop them. James Beattie was even better. It's got to turn.
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Jul 29, 2019 22:11:27 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2019 22:11:27 GMT
Most of us of a certain age would probably agree that the unlikeliest but ultimately excellent penalty takers we ever had was Georgie Berry. There must have been many more technically gifted players in the squad, but penalty taking is a state of mind. You can't just chuck it at someone who can hit a ball. They've got to want it and not be scared of it. The obvious solution now is for players to practice until their penalty taking foot can take no more. But maybe that will just make thinks worse by focussing on what is obviously now a massive psychological problem. Personally I think the only way this can be righted is if someone gets to take one when we're three up with two minutes to go and the pressure's off. Now if only we knew how to remove the psychological barrier of our failure to hit that third goal. Can remember George striding forward at the unlikely Odsall when we won 4.1 v Bradford We hadn't had a penalty for many months (a year?). We were all shouting 'noooh' and were somewhat surprised when he buried it in the corner. Even more surprising was that he buried all of them in the same corner, didn't matter that the keeper knew where it was going they couldn't stop them. James Beattie was even better. It's got to turn. Lucky you didn’t shout “Butland”, he would have missed.
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Jul 29, 2019 22:14:48 GMT
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Post by musik on Jul 29, 2019 22:14:48 GMT
Who would be everyone’s preferred penalty taker? Mine would be either etebo or powell and if none of them then Edwards If Gregory on the pitch then him, good record from the spot. Will Greg play vs QPR?
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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 29, 2019 22:18:01 GMT
Need a penalty coach who concentrates specifically on them Get SJW
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Jul 29, 2019 22:21:23 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2019 22:21:23 GMT
Need a penalty coach who concentrates specifically on them Get SJW He was awful at penalties.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 29, 2019 22:57:15 GMT
I remember a documentary about taking penalties many years ago on TV which was produced in response to England's poor record. The programme went through various topics discussing technique, practicing, psyching out the opposition. Germany's excellent record was compared to England's miserable record etc. As might be expected opinions varied. Germany's success was put down to preparation, practicing, and psychological preparedness. Alan Shearer said there was no point in practicing as conditions in a tournament/match were totally different. There is no doubt that the confidence of the taker is a huge factor. Jimmy Greaves (IMO the greatest ever English striker) has been top scorer in the top English league the most seasons (6) and the most productive goal scorer for England (44 goals in 57 games; 117 minutes per goal) and would be easily the record scorer if Ramsay had not decided to include him in his plans for the 1970 WC, despite him being the top 1st Division scorer in 68-69. Amazingly, he never appeared as a substitute for England and he never took a penalty! www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamGoals/Goals_10-49.html
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2019 23:03:06 GMT
I remember a documentary about taking penalties many years ago on TV which was produced in response to England's poor record. The programme went through various topics discussing technique, practicing, psyching out the opposition. Germany's excellent record was compared to England's miserable record etc. As might be expected opinions varied. Germany's success was put down to preparation, practicing, and psychological preparedness. Alan Shearer said there was no point in practicing as conditions in a tournament/match were totally different. There is no doubt that the confidence of the taker is a huge factor. Jimmy Greaves (IMO the greatest ever English striker) has been top scorer in the top English league the most seasons (6) and the most productive goal scorer for England (44 goals in 57 games; 117 minutes per goal) and would be easily the record scorer if Ramsay had not decided to include him in his plans for the 1970 WC, despite him being the top 1st Division scorer in 68-69. Amazingly, he never appeared as a substitute for England and he never took a penalty! www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamGoals/Goals_10-49.htmlShearer is obviously an excellent penalty taker but this not practising stuff does my head in. It’s a muscle memory, if you repeat it, it becomes more natural and is easy to repeat time and time again. You can’t replicate the conditions but I think Kane is a great example, he clearly has practised hitting the spot he does in the side netting, knowing a) he can and b) even if the keeper goes the right way he won’t save it.
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Post by potter25 on Jul 29, 2019 23:25:02 GMT
I can’t give you a real reason as to why but I’d give them to McLean Fairly decent striker of the ball but more than anything I think he’d have the mental strength to do the job
I can’t give any statistical reason as to why just more of an attitude thing..
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Post by pinoypotter on Jul 30, 2019 0:12:47 GMT
Enjoyed this read!
Incredibly long run of failed pens. Unbelievable really, even taking into account Sod's Law.
Fully agree with Absolution - "but penalty taking is a state of mind. You can't just chuck it at someone who can hit a ball. They've got to want it and not be scared of it. "
And the potter25 comment re: McClean - "Fairly decent striker of the ball but more than anything I think he’d have the mental strength to do the job."
It's a mental thing and I'm sure we'll soon be over it, with a bit of luck confidence will be sky high soon.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 30, 2019 0:25:40 GMT
Need a penalty coach who concentrates specifically on them Get SJW He was awful at penalties. He missed a few (like any player) but he knew how to put it in the top corner
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Post by Davef on Jul 30, 2019 7:21:28 GMT
Need a penalty coach who concentrates specifically on them Get SJW Christ, another former player touted for a coaching role? How many's that now? Have we got an ex-hero to teach Afobe the offside rule?
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2019 7:31:50 GMT
As I pointed out on another thread I'm a middle aged man with an office job and I would comfortably convert 9 out of 10.
It's really not difficult. You just pick a corner and stick to it, provided you catch the ball cleanly it's torn in to the rigging before the keeper has completed his dive.
I already made the offer to run by Clayton Woods one afternoon next week to run a short clinic at no fee and the offer remains open.
I would simply ask Nathan to give me his top 5 penalty takers and a goalkeeper. Preferably not Jack Butland, I know we need to build confidence but it shouldn't be too easy. If he sends Jack I'd likely remove my jacket, loosen my tie and do the keeping myself as well.
The way I would propose to run it is to gather all the takers in close to watch carefully while I dispatch half a dozen penalties to alternate corners of the net. Nothing fancy, no rabonas, dinks, or broken runs, just cleanly struck drives in to the corners.
We should be doing this anyway, heaven knows what is going on.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 30, 2019 7:32:25 GMT
Need a penalty coach who concentrates specifically on them Get SJW Christ, another former player touted for a coaching role? How many's that now? Have we got an ex-hero to teach Afobe the offside rule? SJW can double up on pens and offsides as he was so brilliant at both
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Post by andystokey on Jul 30, 2019 7:39:40 GMT
As I pointed out on another thread I'm a middle aged man with an office job and I would comfortably convert 9 out of 10. It's not difficult. You just pick a corner and stick to it, provided you catch the ball cleanly it's torn in to the rigging before the keeper has completed his dive. I already made the offer to run by Clayton Woods one afternoon next week and to run a short clinic at no fee and the offer remains open. I would simply ask Nathan to give me his top 5 penalty takers and a goalkeeper. Preferably not Jack Butland, I know we need to build confidence but it shouldn't be too easy. If he sends Jack I'd likely remove my jacket, loosen my tie and do the keeping myself. The way I would propose to run it is to gather all the takers in close to watch carefully while I dispatch half a dozen penalties myself to alternate corners of the net. Nothing fancy, no rabonas, dinks, or broken runs, just cleanly struck drives in to the corners. We should be doing this anyway, heaven knows what is going on. I know you want to impress but there is no need to wear a jacket and tie, honestly it's pretty casual down there these days.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 30, 2019 8:06:50 GMT
Need a penalty coach who concentrates specifically on them Get SJW Christ, another former player touted for a coaching role? How many's that now? Have we got an ex-hero to teach Afobe the offside rule? A 18/25 career record suggests he's not exactly averse to the odd miss too....
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Post by Davef on Jul 30, 2019 8:10:09 GMT
Christ, another former player touted for a coaching role? How many's that now? Have we got an ex-hero to teach Afobe the offside rule? A 18/25 career record suggests he's not exactly averse to the odd miss too.... Yes, which makes him average, not awful as suggested by our resident expert above.
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Post by werrington on Jul 30, 2019 8:12:50 GMT
Need a penalty coach who concentrates specifically on them Get SJW That makes it 61 I think but maybe it’s 62
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 30, 2019 8:14:33 GMT
All this talk about it, watch us go a season without a penalty now....
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Post by Davef on Jul 30, 2019 8:15:24 GMT
All this talk about it, watch us go a season without a penalty now.... I'd take that now to be honest. It'd certainly bring the stress levels down.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 30, 2019 8:18:18 GMT
As I pointed out on another thread I'm a middle aged man with an office job and I would comfortably convert 9 out of 10. It's not difficult. You just pick a corner and stick to it, provided you catch the ball cleanly it's torn in to the rigging before the keeper has completed his dive. I already made the offer to run by Clayton Woods one afternoon next week and to run a short clinic at no fee and the offer remains open. I would simply ask Nathan to give me his top 5 penalty takers and a goalkeeper. Preferably not Jack Butland, I know we need to build confidence but it shouldn't be too easy. If he sends Jack I'd likely remove my jacket, loosen my tie and do the keeping myself. The way I would propose to run it is to gather all the takers in close to watch carefully while I dispatch half a dozen penalties myself to alternate corners of the net. Nothing fancy, no rabonas, dinks, or broken runs, just cleanly struck drives in to the corners. We should be doing this anyway, heaven knows what is going on. I know you want to impress but there is no need to wear a jacket and tie, honestly it's pretty casual down there these days. Too casual, maybe?
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Jul 30, 2019 8:23:15 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Jul 30, 2019 8:23:15 GMT
I know you want to impress but there is no need to wear a jacket and tie, honestly it's pretty casual down there these days. Too casual, maybe? Unfortunately gone are the days when the first eleven used to turn out in neatly pressed shirts, morning suits and cravats for the 5 aside. I blame Tony Pulis.
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Jul 30, 2019 8:37:07 GMT
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 30, 2019 8:37:07 GMT
Resign James Beattie, bring him on for penalties and this problem will disappear. Easy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 8:37:57 GMT
He was awful at penalties. He missed a few (like any player) but he knew how to put it in the top corner He still missed a fair few even when whacking them though? The only good penalty takers we've had in the last 10-13 years are Hoefkens, Higgi and Beattie.
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Jul 30, 2019 8:40:55 GMT
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Post by philb on Jul 30, 2019 8:40:55 GMT
Edwards is the best striker of a ball in the squad I reckon. this is the reason I would let him have one He’ll have to get on the pitch first though 😳
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 30, 2019 8:48:13 GMT
He missed a few (like any player) but he knew how to put it in the top corner He still missed a fair few even when whacking them though? The only good penalty takers we've had in the last 10-13 years are Hoefkens, Higgi and Beattie. Arnautovic was good, he only missed one which arguably started the rot and I think is the only miss of his career to date. He got 5/6 I believe.
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Post by karl on Jul 30, 2019 8:49:52 GMT
Who do you think is the new penalty taker? My money is on Powell
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Post by MrFlirty on Jul 30, 2019 8:54:16 GMT
Maybe its because they are practicing against Butland who cannot save penalties so they think they are better at it than they are.
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