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Post by miltonstokienew on Jul 28, 2019 23:45:36 GMT
I'd like slip a pie into your face to be honest. Ooooh kinky 12 hours youve been on here. Sad act.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 23:47:13 GMT
12 hours youve been on here. Sad act. Cool.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 29, 2019 0:01:22 GMT
I've neither the time or inclination to look but I'm sure you've seen them too. Anyway, I'm off for a curry. So you've just posted a load of posts accusing Admin of not moderating the board effectively and when Admin then ask you to help them out by directing them to these "disgraceful comments" (your words), you reply by saying that you can't be arsed to do so? You really can't see what a complete and utter self entitled tit that makes you look? And you have the audacity to complain about the contributions from other people on this messageboard? Correct.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 29, 2019 0:10:21 GMT
I've neither the time or inclination to look but I'm sure you've seen them too. Anyway, I'm off for a curry. Post of the day top man criticising admin about time to moderate a massive forum then ending it with "I have no time or inclination" bravo. š I've got better things to do with my life but have never been disrespectful to others, especially those who support the same team. That's my point and always will be. I love my club but hate what we've turned into. It used to be a laugh with my mates in the boozer, with a great atmosphere. Now, we're turning into a bunch of wankers who think we're a premier league club because we've had a good decade and Gordon Banks(RIP) played for us. We're a small club from Stoke on trent but we're a passionate lot, who used to stick together. Why don't people actually realise that this (mainly) got us to the premier league in the first place? We all have dreams and we fucked up. I hate the word 'United' but that's where we need to be. This message board only emphasises my point at times. Allegiance now seems a thing of the past, which is why I've not renewed. How times have changed, eh? I'm gutted to be honest. Curry was lovely by the way.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 29, 2019 0:21:02 GMT
Itās a message board. I couldnāt give a fuck if people agree or not. I donāt post a great lot and I donāt always read whatās been said in great detail. I reply to some then realise Iāve fucked up.lol I have a proper life so not going lose sleep over it. But some on here think they can call people names just because they donāt agree. Sorrerson or whatever his name is and a few more, canāt be bothered keep track who they are.? I just laugh at them. If they really disagree that much, why donāt they have the bollocks say it to there face on match day. Do you really think anyone gives a fuck if they like them or not. I piss myself on here how defensive people are. Itās a bit of fun and banter. Do you really think all of the posters on here are writing genuine things? Anyway enjoy your shit weather as Iām in Alanya red hot and 24hr all inclusive.š I know I shouldnāt have put emoji as Iām 48 according to someone on here.š¤£š¤£š¤£ This isn't in the spirit of the OP, but You were acting like a right fucking moron in that great to see thread. Your clearly inflammatory and excessive use of emojis and complete load of bollocks comments only further verifies you acting like a knob. Because heaven forbid we were happy to see the lads enjoying training. And now you're acting like a complete arse again. Yes, you're a 48 year old bloke posting stuff like you were you were 4 years old. Yes it was pathetic, it still is pathetic infact, and you should actually act your fucking age. Embarrassing. He can't even spell. Ignore him.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 29, 2019 2:40:19 GMT
What a load of crap! Itās like a convention for prepubescent girls.
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Post by Stokyo on Jul 29, 2019 5:01:42 GMT
It'S been painful to watch the drivel we have been served up over the last 3 years, how can anyone expect positivity from the fans, show us something to be positive about.
As for the 'Racism' any examples? I know Mcclean got a lot of abuse on here but that was not surprising.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jul 29, 2019 5:43:23 GMT
Ive kept 'schtum' about this thread but felt the need to speak. Actually, Im loving the irony as regards people 'being negative about people being negative' . Yes opinion has been poisoned at times but with good reason. Its been bloody awful to witness what has unfolded. Sad but true. So what is the op wanting ? Us all happy clapping all the time ? Yes some absolutely take it(negativity) too far and have nothing positive to say ever - and thats wrong but, to not express the alternative view is also wrong too. I suppose I am saying, there is a balance to all things , opinion too, even the truth when it is unpalatable. And this we must not forget in all things sport, politics, life in general, whatever.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 29, 2019 6:18:32 GMT
This isn't in the spirit of the OP, but You were acting like a right fucking moron in that great to see thread. Your clearly inflammatory and excessive use of emojis and complete load of bollocks comments only further verifies you acting like a knob. Because heaven forbid we were happy to see the lads enjoying training. And now you're acting like a complete arse again. Yes, you're a 48 year old bloke posting stuff like you were you were 4 years old. Yes it was pathetic, it still is pathetic infact, and you should actually act your fucking age. Embarrassing. He can't even spell. Ignore him. Is that personal abuse and disrespect?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 6:36:22 GMT
It'S been painful to watch the drivel we have been served up over the last 3 years, how can anyone expect positivity from the fans, show us something to be positive about. As for the 'Racism' any examples? I know Mcclean got a lot of abuse on here but that was not surprising. Most of the threads with racist content again get deleted pretty rapidly by the admins, thereās a lot of stuff one could consider questionable over on the everything else board that could be construed in that fashion. But just from recent memory weāve had a thread on here debating whether pa** was a racist term about South Asians and people wilfully trying to pretend it isnāt. Itās not common on here in mainstream threads but it does rear itās head from time to time.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 6:40:40 GMT
Post of the day top man criticising admin about time to moderate a massive forum then ending it with "I have no time or inclination" bravo. š I've got better things to do with my life but have never been disrespectful to others, especially those who support the same team. That's my point and always will be. I love my club but hate what we've turned into. It used to be a laugh with my mates in the boozer, with a great atmosphere. Now, we're turning into a bunch of wankers who think we're a premier league club because we've had a good decade and Gordon Banks(RIP) played for us. We're a small club from Stoke on trent but we're a passionate lot, who used to stick together. Why don't people actually realise that this (mainly) got us to the premier league in the first place? We all have dreams and we fucked up. I hate the word 'United' but that's where we need to be. This message board only emphasises my point at times. Allegiance now seems a thing of the past, which is why I've not renewed. How times have changed, eh? I'm gutted to be honest. Curry was lovely by the way. I agree with a lot of stuff in that bar the Small Club and Premier League status stuff, weāve historically been an upper second tier to top flight club and have more seasons in the top flight than 3/4s of the league. I certainly wouldnāt class us in an Aston Villa/Leeds bracket but to say weāre a small club isnāt true and I think in some ways how much negativity and stuff is dependent on how quickly that decade was wasted when 10 years in the richest top flight to date should transform your football club for the better and make you even more secure.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 29, 2019 6:50:25 GMT
It'S been painful to watch the drivel we have been served up over the last 3 years, how can anyone expect positivity from the fans, show us something to be positive about. As for the 'Racism' any examples? I know Mcclean got a lot of abuse on here but that was not surprising. Most of the threads with racist content again get deleted pretty rapidly by the admins, thereās a lot of stuff one could consider questionable over on the everything else board that could be construed in that fashion. But just from recent memory weāve had a thread on here debating whether pa** was a racist term about South Asians and people wilfully trying to pretend it isnāt. Itās not common on here in mainstream threads but it does rear itās head from time to time. Of course most people would agree with that however it's not that simple there is use of the word being legitamised within the Asian community and not used as a racist remark. Language is offensive to some but as in North America it's been reclaimed and used in a positive way. This is NOT by any means me making an excuse or trying to undermine racism it's a factual response to your claim. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6740445.stm
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 6:52:02 GMT
Most of the threads with racist content again get deleted pretty rapidly by the admins, thereās a lot of stuff one could consider questionable over on the everything else board that could be construed in that fashion. But just from recent memory weāve had a thread on here debating whether pa** was a racist term about South Asians and people wilfully trying to pretend it isnāt. Itās not common on here in mainstream threads but it does rear itās head from time to time. Of course most people would agree with that however it's not that simple there is use of the word being legitamised within the Asian community and not used as a racist remark. Language is offensive to some but as in North America it's been reclaimed and used in a positive way. This is NOT by any means me making an excuse or trying to undermine racism it's a factual response to your claim. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6740445.stm Context is king and in the context, it was not being reclaimed by people normally subjected to it. Anyway that thread went for a reason so Iām not going to bring it back up anymore than I have to.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 29, 2019 7:00:09 GMT
Of course most people would agree with that however it's not that simple there is use of the word being legitamised within the Asian community and not used as a racist remark. Language is offensive to some but as in North America it's been reclaimed and used in a positive way. This is NOT by any means me making an excuse or trying to undermine racism it's a factual response to your claim. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6740445.stm Context is king and in the context, it was not being reclaimed by people normally subjected to it. Anyway that thread went for a reason so Iām not going to bring it back up anymore than I have to. OK but how is a person to respond to you though without discussion. Why bring it up at all.... with the benefit of hindsight maybe you should edit your post.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 7:05:25 GMT
Context is king and in the context, it was not being reclaimed by people normally subjected to it. Anyway that thread went for a reason so Iām not going to bring it back up anymore than I have to. OK but how is a person to respond to you though without discussion. Why bring it up at all.... with the benefit of hindsight maybe you should edit your post. Because the context of the thread was nothing to do with reclamation of the word by the people who suffer from it. It was about racist abuse of another club official by fans and people tacitly condoning it or pretending they didnāt understand why it was any different from the word āScotā as I said at the time, youāre unlikely to call someone a Scot unless youāve heard them speak or know where theyāre from whereas Iāve had plenty of friends of Sri Lankan, Afghanistani and Indian origin called it, I wonder what that was based on? Making it completely different from the term āscotā. Iām not editing my post because the example was clear, hence why the thread was deleted.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 29, 2019 7:19:44 GMT
OK but how is a person to respond to you though without discussion. Why bring it up at all.... with the benefit of hindsight maybe you should edit your post. Because the context of the thread was nothing to do with reclamation of the word by the people who suffer from it. It was about racist abuse of another club official by fans and people tacitly condoning it or pretending they didnāt understand why it was any different from the word āScotā as I said at the time, youāre unlikely to call someone a Scot unless youāve heard them speak or know where theyāre from whereas Iāve had plenty of friends of Sri Lankan, Afghanistani and Indian origin called it, I wonder what that was based on? Making it completely different from the term āscotā. Iām not editing my post because the example was clear, hence why the thread was deleted. You could have done that without specifics and using details you used. YOU have now opened the debate again that's my point, YOU have opened this word to the main board, YOU can if you chose to edit those words out, I will too if you need me too. I agree with you but YOU expressed regret in opening the debate I'm offering you a way out but YOU have made it clear that's not what YOU want fine.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 7:38:21 GMT
Because the context of the thread was nothing to do with reclamation of the word by the people who suffer from it. It was about racist abuse of another club official by fans and people tacitly condoning it or pretending they didnāt understand why it was any different from the word āScotā as I said at the time, youāre unlikely to call someone a Scot unless youāve heard them speak or know where theyāre from whereas Iāve had plenty of friends of Sri Lankan, Afghanistani and Indian origin called it, I wonder what that was based on? Making it completely different from the term āscotā. Iām not editing my post because the example was clear, hence why the thread was deleted. You could have done that without specifics and using details you used. YOU have now opened the debate again that's my point, YOU have opened this word to the main board, YOU can if you chose to edit those words out, I will too if you need me too. I agree with you but YOU expressed regret in opening the debate I'm offering you a way out but YOU have made it clear that's not what YOU want fine. The guy asked for an example, so I gave one. I didn't open debate on anything I simply said there was a thread about that word that contained racist elements. You then re-opened a debate on it by posting the link, I then just clarified my position and why the thread was closed. I didn't refer to any individuals or actual verbatim posts. If people want to debate it via direct messaging I'm always happy to, but the fact the admins removed the thread was based on the racial content which Stokeyo asked for an example of, personally I think it shows the admins are good at cracking down on the genuinely abusive stuff and are right to leave us to our own devices RE the actual football club.
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Post by adi on Jul 29, 2019 7:53:57 GMT
Some battle lines were drawn as early as the end of February last season.Ā Once that happens, there is no way back for some.Ā It's a fact of life - some people will like the manager and give him time, others don't and won't and will look to extract every last ounce of negativity from any situation. I can't moan too much personally as I was the same with Rowett last season.Ā Openly disliked him and didn't trust him. You either log on and try and make a difference or walk away and ignore it.Ā I can't see it getting much better or quieter until results turn - and even then people will hide away until the next poor run of results. The only part I find frustrating about this is a lot of people were asking for a complete change in direction after the failings of Hughes et al.Ā We've got change and the same people demanding it were seemingly not prepared to wait longer than a few months for it to change given how quick they jumped in. In short, it is what it is. Good comment but the reason that Jones gets a bit of stick is that a lot of people were not convinced that an inexperienced League One manager was perhaps the best choic, and his treatment of a couple of decent players has not been top drawer. However as one of his critics I hope he tops the division and proves me wrong. We do have the club embedded in our hearts and do not always feel the same towards individual management! Reading your comments it sounds like you have a deep ingrained hatred of Jones and I think it stems from an almost obsessive love of Bojan, who has been dropped by the manager. It is almost a bit weird if Iām being honest.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 29, 2019 8:00:17 GMT
You could have done that without specifics and using details you used. YOU have now opened the debate again that's my point, YOU have opened this word to the main board, YOU can if you chose to edit those words out, I will too if you need me too. I agree with you but YOU expressed regret in opening the debate I'm offering you a way out but YOU have made it clear that's not what YOU want fine. The guy asked for an example, so I gave one. I didn't open debate on anything I simply said there was a thread about that word that contained racist elements. You then re-opened a debate on it by posting the link, I then just clarified my position and why the thread was closed. I didn't refer to any individuals or actual verbatim posts. If people want to debate it via direct messaging I'm always happy to, but the fact the admins removed the thread was based on the racial content which Stokeyo asked for an example of, personally I think it shows the admins are good at cracking down on the genuinely abusive stuff and are right to leave us to our own devices RE the actual football club. So it's MY fault lol please point me to where I used the word to open it up. Being honest I'll just sit back and watch those you refered to come and take up the mantle and debate you on the use of the word you posted. Talk about abdicating responsibility it's an embarrassing cop out to post and word then blame me for it's use.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 8:02:23 GMT
The guy asked for an example, so I gave one. I didn't open debate on anything I simply said there was a thread about that word that contained racist elements. You then re-opened a debate on it by posting the link, I then just clarified my position and why the thread was closed. I didn't refer to any individuals or actual verbatim posts. If people want to debate it via direct messaging I'm always happy to, but the fact the admins removed the thread was based on the racial content which Stokeyo asked for an example of, personally I think it shows the admins are good at cracking down on the genuinely abusive stuff and are right to leave us to our own devices RE the actual football club. So it's MY fault lol please point me to where I used the word to open it up. Being honest I'll just sit back and watch those you refered to come and take up the mantle and debate you on the use of the word you posted. Talk about abdicating responsibility it's an embarrassing cop out to post and word then blame me for it's use. You legit posted a link on reclamation of the word by communities subject to it and called it a "factual response to my claim." How is that not widening or starting a debate on it on your part?
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 29, 2019 8:10:55 GMT
So it's MY fault lol please point me to where I used the word to open it up. Being honest I'll just sit back and watch those you refered to come and take up the mantle and debate you on the use of the word you posted. Talk about abdicating responsibility it's an embarrassing cop out to post and word then blame me for it's use. You legit posted a link on reclamation of the word by communities subject to it. How is that not widening or starting a debate on it? Omg you started the debate in the first place I asked if you wanted to delete it and I would too, you declined that offer. Really!!! You post a word in a forum I debated your point, you expressed that you did not want to bring it up again and some regret it posting the word in the first place (although you already did !!) Then blame me laughable, but I'm sure you know now but your deflecting your mistake on me. Like I said it's embarrassing on your part and I will retract my offer to delete the word you posted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 8:20:08 GMT
Paul/Dave I think youāre maybe missing the original point, and homing in on a comment about āDisgracefulā posts. The OP started this off about negativity, and the trolling of quite a few posters who put a positive comment on. This added to the general almost poisonous tone on the board as a whole, just discourages many people from joining the debate. This is what got my attention, and I did and still do, strongly agree with the OP. I mentioned about the moderators too, and how I think the board is poorly moderated, which is not helping in keeping a great forum going and growing. I also mentioned that itās a thankless job, and I believe itās almost a no win situation. But equally, the Mods, should be able to take constructive criticism where itās justified. This kind of feedback, whilst it can annoy people, is generally a good thing, and should lead to changes/ improvements. Iāve seen very few comments from Admin during my time on the Oatie, which could be read as either good or bad. Interestingly there was one on this thread, but as I said earlier, rather than us focusing on disgraceful comments, then lets focus on the flooding of posts and general slagging off of posters who have the temerity to post something positive about the team, the manager, new signings etc etc. Anyway, win on Saturday, and all this bollocks is forgotten š What if people just say what they see? Happy clappers are just as bad as those who moan for sake of it. I think our new keeper is toss. I don't think there was any need to make our biggest transfer a player who effectively takes the place of an excellent youngster. I'm worried that Jones is the next coming of Alan ball. I'm delighted that the boys appear fitter and happier than previous seasons so the manager takes credit for that. I'm also pleased the clear out has started. We need to do whatever it takes to be rid of a host of players and we've done that. Fair play again. I'll praise where it is due, criticise where I feel it appropriate. I think most do that to be fairI think that's pretty much spot on Dave. The issue appears to be that too many create (seek?) division and an 'us v them' environment on the board. It's a hangover from the 'PHW v Rimmer' split on here, imho, and a culture that has done serious damage. Post something that could be remotely construed as critical? You're a negative curmudgeon that has somehow contributed to the downfall of the club. Post something positive about team/club/manager? You're a happy-clapping seal with your head in the sand, oblivious to ills that have befallen us and are, too, a part of the problem. In reality? The vast majority on here are really decent folks who want the best for their club. All might have differences in what they see as priorities, and everyone will see matches slightly differently to one another, but we all want the same outcome for the club. It's sad that quite a few posters (although, I still think a real minority) seem intent on seeking an argument every time they come on here. The Oatie has been a real connection to the club and the city for me as an exiled Stokie for nearly 20 years. I engage with it less and less these days (although I doubt anyone notices/cares! )
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 8:27:46 GMT
You legit posted a link on reclamation of the word by communities subject to it. How is that not widening or starting a debate on it? Omg you started the debate in the first place I asked if you wanted to delete it and I would too, you declined that offer. Really!!! You post a word in a forum I debated your point, you expressed that you did not want to bring it up again and some regret it posting the word in the first place (although you already did !!) Then blame me laughable, but I'm sure you know now but your deflecting your mistake on me. Like I said it's embarrassing on your part and I will retract my offer to delete the word you posted. "Most of the threads with racist content again get deleted pretty rapidly by the admins, thereās a lot of stuff one could consider questionable over on the everything else board that could be construed in that fashion. But just from recent memory weāve had a thread on here debating whether pa** was a racist term about South Asians and people wilfully trying to pretend it isnāt. Itās not common on here in mainstream threads but it does rear itās head from time to time." Where is the invitation to debate there? Where is the invitation to post a link about language reclamation there? Talking about the fact there was a debate on something isn't an invitation to start a debate. I didn't want to delete it because Stokeyo asked for an example. You responded with your debate starter, the reclamation article so I responded with my point of view and where I stood and here we are. I'm not deflecting anything, you literally started a debate on the merits of the word with your reply. It was quite clear I was providing an example to a previous post asking for an example of a time a racial issue crept onto the main board.
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Post by lifelong on Jul 29, 2019 8:34:55 GMT
I also hate the negativity of many posters but feel that a lot of it is in response to the arrogant dismissive attitude the club has shown to its supporters in particular from Hughes and Rowett. Add into that aloof unaccounatble incompetence and this is where we end up.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 29, 2019 8:43:44 GMT
Omg you started the debate in the first place I asked if you wanted to delete it and I would too, you declined that offer. Really!!! You post a word in a forum I debated your point, you expressed that you did not want to bring it up again and some regret it posting the word in the first place (although you already did !!) Then blame me laughable, but I'm sure you know now but your deflecting your mistake on me. Like I said it's embarrassing on your part and I will retract my offer to delete the word you posted. "Most of the threads with racist content again get deleted pretty rapidly by the admins, thereās a lot of stuff one could consider questionable over on the everything else board that could be construed in that fashion. But just from recent memory weāve had a thread on here debating whether pa** was a racist term about South Asians and people wilfully trying to pretend it isnāt. Itās not common on here in mainstream threads but it does rear itās head from time to time." Where is the invitation to debate there? Where is the invitation to post a link about language reclamation there? Talking about the fact there was a debate on something isn't an invitation to start a debate. I didn't want to delete it because Stokeyo asked for an example. You responded with your debate starter, the reclamation article so I responded with my point of view and where I stood and here we are. I'm not deflecting anything, you literally started a debate on the merits of the word with your reply. It was quite clear I was providing an example to a previous post asking for an example of a time a racial issue crept onto the main board. So you were in an open forum/thread having a debate with Stokeyo, you then bring a racist thread and word into that debate, I then joined that existing debate and debated your post and that's my fault. Sorry I did not realise I needed an invitation to join in!! What a pathetic argument to try and ease your embarrassment. Nobody mentioned widening the debate not arguing I widened that initial debate. I repeat once again you started the debate by using the word in reply to another poster( debate) I joined and I'm at fault. You posted in the main board a racist word (minus the esterix) and I'm wrong š¤£š¤£ only one of us posted a racist word on the main board and it's not me.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 8:49:49 GMT
"Most of the threads with racist content again get deleted pretty rapidly by the admins, thereās a lot of stuff one could consider questionable over on the everything else board that could be construed in that fashion. But just from recent memory weāve had a thread on here debating whether pa** was a racist term about South Asians and people wilfully trying to pretend it isnāt. Itās not common on here in mainstream threads but it does rear itās head from time to time." Where is the invitation to debate there? Where is the invitation to post a link about language reclamation there? Talking about the fact there was a debate on something isn't an invitation to start a debate. I didn't want to delete it because Stokeyo asked for an example. You responded with your debate starter, the reclamation article so I responded with my point of view and where I stood and here we are. I'm not deflecting anything, you literally started a debate on the merits of the word with your reply. It was quite clear I was providing an example to a previous post asking for an example of a time a racial issue crept onto the main board. So you were in an open forum/thread having a debate with Stokeyo, you then bring a racist thread and word into that debate, I then joined that existing debate and debated your post and that's my fault. Sorry I did not realise I needed an invitation to join in!! What a pathetic argument to try and ease your embarrassment. Nobody mentioned widening the debate not arguing I widened that initial debate. I repeat once again you started the debate by using the word in reply to another poster( debate) I joined and I'm at fault. You posted in the main board a racist word (minus the esterix) and I'm wrong š¤£š¤£ only one of us posted a racist word on the main board and it's not me. He wasn't debating he was asking for an example or when a racial discussion emerged on the main board. I provided an example. I don't get what's hard about this. I can even provide you with another comparable example if it helps: "Can anybody provide an example of a time Joe Allen has come up on this board?" (Stokeyo) "Joe Allen came up once in a transfer thread" (Me) "I think Joe Allen is XYZ and here is a link with an opinion of Joe Allen and his merits as a midfielder" (You) You tell me, where the debate starts. Or rather don't, cause it's patently obvious.
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Post by lifelong on Jul 29, 2019 8:54:03 GMT
can you please take your "to debate or not to debate" discussion elsewhere
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 8:56:39 GMT
can you please take your "to debate or not to debate" discussion elsewhere Yeah I agree!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 8:59:01 GMT
can you please take your "to debate or not to debate" discussion elsewhere
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 29, 2019 8:59:51 GMT
can you please take your "to debate or not to debate" discussion elsewhere There's too many meeting up there, can you suggest an alternative spot?
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