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Post by spitthedog on Jul 27, 2019 23:15:19 GMT
What's going on here?
I thought he looked our best player in the 2nd half of the season bar Baath. Could he be leaving?
I don't see what Smith brings that surpasses Edwards apart from experience, but Edwards needs to play regularly and if he does looks to have far more potential than Smith on what we have seen so far. Surely he will look to move on if he doesn't feature, he can't afford to stagnate on the bench.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:16:47 GMT
After today he should be starting next week.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 27, 2019 23:20:32 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. I'll be amazed if Edwards starts. Smith looks nailed on according to pre-season team selections. Disappointing is not the word! It's a backward step for me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2019 23:21:19 GMT
He should be starting, we needed another right back but not as a replacement for Edwards.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 27, 2019 23:22:46 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. Jeez..you make out that Edwards is Super maldini cafu mcroberto carlos...youre basing everything on one game today.If Smith carries on like today then fair enough but at least give him a chance.
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Post by harlequin on Jul 27, 2019 23:27:26 GMT
Smith’s past few games have been good and we know he can deliver at championship level, I suspect if it was Edwards beaten today people would be citing the level of opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 23:29:48 GMT
Smith’s past few games have been good and we know he can deliver at championship level, I suspect if it was Edwards beaten today people would be citing the level of opposition. 2 years ago he had a good season. It’s in the past. I don’t buy this argument. We watched Edwards do it at this level at the end of last season. I thought we were supposed to move on from the past and we’re not we’re just raiding other people’s pasts. It’s weird.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:30:52 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. I'll be amazed if Edwards starts. Smith looks nailed on according to pre-season team selections. Disappointing is not the word! It's a backward step for me. Oh I agree but I think it’s wrong, as you say, it seems very backward.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:31:46 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. Jeez..you make out that Edwards is Super maldini cafu mcroberto carlos...youre basing everything on one game today.If Smith carries on like today then fair enough but at least give him a chance. Edwards should be the one starting the season after the way he finished the last one.
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Post by harlequin on Jul 27, 2019 23:36:17 GMT
Smith’s past few games have been good and we know he can deliver at championship level, I suspect if it was Edwards beaten today people would be citing the level of opposition. 2 years ago he had a good season. It’s in the past. I don’t buy this argument. We watched Edwards do it at this level at the end of last season. I thought we were supposed to move on from the past and we’re not we’re just raiding other people’s pasts. It’s weird. Yep, no contradiction there at all. At what point is a player's acheivment dismissed as the past and no longer worthy of consideration? Surely it should be until they are evidently no longer capable of the same level. Which isn't the case with Smith.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 27, 2019 23:37:56 GMT
So the academy is bearing fruit but we're importing from elsewhere
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Post by uskstokie on Jul 27, 2019 23:38:45 GMT
Edwards is a good young player for definite! I personally like the idea that there is competition for the RB spot. Both Smith and Edwards are capable. At the moment I feel like I would start Edwards In the QPR game, then play Smith in the Charlton game.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 28, 2019 0:11:34 GMT
46 games is a lot for anyone. Tom pretty much imploded at the end of last season. They will both get game time no doubt
I think the choice next weekend will have less to do with either players form and more to do with who plays instead of Ryan.
If it's Collins then it will be Smith especially if Collins plays right CB. The two older heads will support him.
If it's BMI at left CB it could be either. Although I thought Tom's final ball was better on Wednesday albeit against much weaker opponents.
It's not always about the playerits about whats best for the team.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 28, 2019 7:01:55 GMT
46 games is a lot for anyone. Tom pretty much imploded at the end of last season. They will both get game time no doubt I think the choice next weekend will have less to do with either players form and more to do with who plays instead of Ryan. If it's Collins then it will be Smith especially if Collins plays right CB. The two older heads will support him. If it's BMI at left CB it could be either. Although I thought Tom's final ball was better on Wednesday albeit against much weaker opponents. It's not always about the playerits about whats best for the team. Edwards is one of the best crossers of the ball we have, he should be starting regardless of who's next to him, he has enough experience after last season.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 28, 2019 7:04:38 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. No he should not.
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Post by werrington on Jul 28, 2019 7:08:51 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. Cmon Bayern that’s like saying after Edwards at Swansea he should be out also It’s one game, just embrace the fact we’ve got two excellent full backs
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Post by jeycov on Jul 28, 2019 7:09:42 GMT
Could Tom or Smith be used as a lb?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 28, 2019 7:10:09 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. Cmon Bayern that’s like saying after Edwards at Swansea he should be out also It’s one game, just embrace the fact we’ve got two excellent full backs Excellent?!... interesting use of that word.
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Post by tosh on Jul 28, 2019 7:30:54 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. No he should not. Oh yes he should! The shirt should have been Edwards’ to lose at the start of the season, following the end to last season. Then the competition should start. Smith is not clearly better and should have to wait for his chance. It’s poor management and detrimental to team spirit if a manager appears to be unfairly favouring his own signings for no reason other than to justify them. You stand to lose your best young players doing that
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Post by andystokey on Jul 28, 2019 8:21:54 GMT
46 games is a lot for anyone. Tom pretty much imploded at the end of last season. They will both get game time no doubt I think the choice next weekend will have less to do with either players form and more to do with who plays instead of Ryan. If it's Collins then it will be Smith especially if Collins plays right CB. The two older heads will support him. If it's BMI at left CB it could be either. Although I thought Tom's final ball was better on Wednesday albeit against much weaker opponents. It's not always about the playerits about whats best for the team. Edwards is one of the best crossers of the ball we have, he should be starting regardless of who's next to him, he has enough experience after last season. Its Collins that needs easing in, thats my point. It's not about Edwards.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 28, 2019 8:24:22 GMT
It hasn't been a fair fight, as predicted Smith has been brought in as first choice. Bizarre management really.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 28, 2019 8:25:37 GMT
How many fucking times.
Jones wants top players do each position providing a competitive environment for the players to drive and push performance and making sure they don’t get complacent.
Yes Smith is probably ‘abit too good’ for what we all wanted which was back up to tom Edwards, but imagine if tom started v QPR and what happened to ryan happened to him.
We’d be fucked without smith and jones would get lamented for not getting a back up.
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 28, 2019 8:47:22 GMT
46 games is a lot for anyone. Tom pretty much imploded at the end of last season. They will both get game time no doubt I think the choice next weekend will have less to do with either players form and more to do with who plays instead of Ryan. If it's Collins then it will be Smith especially if Collins plays right CB. The two older heads will support him. If it's BMI at left CB it could be either. Although I thought Tom's final ball was better on Wednesday albeit against much weaker opponents. It's not always about the playerits about whats best for the team. Edwards is one of the best crossers of the ball we have, he should be starting regardless of who's next to him, he has enough experience after last season. Surely that should tell you why Smith was brought in? If one of the best crossers of the ball in our team ended last season with the grand total of 0 assists it makes me think his crossing ability may be slightly overrated. There’s no doubt Edwards has come on massively and is a talent. He finished last season in fine form but this side needs goals from everywhere and Jones has expressed that he wants his full backs creating goals.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 28, 2019 9:04:20 GMT
Edwards is one of the best crossers of the ball we have, he should be starting regardless of who's next to him, he has enough experience after last season. Surely that should tell you why Smith was brought in? If one of the best crossers of the ball in our team ended last season with the grand total of 0 assists it makes me think his crossing ability may be slightly overrated. There’s no doubt Edwards has come on massively and is a talent. He finished last season in fine form but this side needs goals from everywhere and Jones has expressed that he wants his full backs creating goals. Edwards in last seasons Norwich team would have got 8 assists. It’s the people in the box you need to worry about, not Edwards delivery, which is excellent for the most part.
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Post by mamasgloves on Jul 28, 2019 9:06:26 GMT
Edwards is one of the best crossers of the ball we have, he should be starting regardless of who's next to him, he has enough experience after last season. Surely that should tell you why Smith was brought in? If one of the best crossers of the ball in our team ended last season with the grand total of 0 assists it makes me think his crossing ability may be slightly overrated. There’s no doubt Edwards has come on massively and is a talent. He finished last season in fine form but this side needs goals from everywhere and Jones has expressed that he wants his full backs creating goals. This is the uncomfortable truth. Had Bauer played as many games with zero assists he'd be vilified. Even an ancient Ashley Williams got an assist in his only game there, out of position.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 28, 2019 9:11:15 GMT
We definitely scored one goal from his cross, not saying it was a direct assist but flicked back in from a Stoke player.
Chuck onto that the number of times he was able to get us all appreciate a cross he did only for someone not to convert it.
In this instance I believe the stats don’t tell the full story although I would love to see his created XGs. Tom Edwards is already a threat going forward.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2019 9:12:33 GMT
Edwards is one of the best crossers of the ball we have, he should be starting regardless of who's next to him, he has enough experience after last season. Surely that should tell you why Smith was brought in? If one of the best crossers of the ball in our team ended last season with the grand total of 0 assists it makes me think his crossing ability may be slightly overrated. There’s no doubt Edwards has come on massively and is a talent. He finished last season in fine form but this side needs goals from everywhere and Jones has expressed that he wants his full backs creating goals. Like McClean on the left ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 9:12:52 GMT
2 years ago he had a good season. It’s in the past. I don’t buy this argument. We watched Edwards do it at this level at the end of last season. I thought we were supposed to move on from the past and we’re not we’re just raiding other people’s pasts. It’s weird. Yep, no contradiction there at all. At what point is a player's acheivment dismissed as the past and no longer worthy of consideration? Surely it should be until they are evidently no longer capable of the same level. Which isn't the case with Smith.
Why did he hardly play for Huddersfield last season then? Even when they were shitter than shit?
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 28, 2019 9:13:14 GMT
Surely that should tell you why Smith was brought in? If one of the best crossers of the ball in our team ended last season with the grand total of 0 assists it makes me think his crossing ability may be slightly overrated. There’s no doubt Edwards has come on massively and is a talent. He finished last season in fine form but this side needs goals from everywhere and Jones has expressed that he wants his full backs creating goals. Edwards in last seasons Norwich team would have got 8 assists. It’s the people in the box you need to worry about, not Edwards delivery, which is excellent for the most part. A ‘woeful’ McClean who apparently can’t cross for toffee managed 6 assists though (albeit in an advanced position). The faces he has to cross to this season haven’t changed either, bar Gregory, when he actually plays.
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 28, 2019 9:16:48 GMT
Surely that should tell you why Smith was brought in? If one of the best crossers of the ball in our team ended last season with the grand total of 0 assists it makes me think his crossing ability may be slightly overrated. There’s no doubt Edwards has come on massively and is a talent. He finished last season in fine form but this side needs goals from everywhere and Jones has expressed that he wants his full backs creating goals. Like McClean on the left ? Who had six assists last season?
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