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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2019 9:19:29 GMT
Like McClean on the left ? Who had six assists last season? Playing full back ?
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 28, 2019 9:23:21 GMT
Who had six assists last season? Playing full back ? Not sure what point you’re trying to make? If it’s that we should have brought a left back in as well as a right back, then I agree. But I was just making a point that in my opinion, Edwards shouldn’t be untouchable at right back and it was a good decision to bring Smith in. Even Erik Pieters managed 2 assists in less than half a season at left back and he was carted off
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 28, 2019 9:29:57 GMT
We definitely scored one goal from his cross, not saying it was a direct assist but flicked back in from a Stoke player. Chuck onto that the number of times he was able to get us all appreciate a cross he did only for someone not to convert it. In this instance I believe the stats don’t tell the full story although I would love to see his created XGs. Tom Edwards is already a threat going forward. Im not saying he can’t knock a decent ball in but I’d expect more return from someone who is apparently one of the best crossers of the ball in the squad. It’s healthy competition and I’m sure we will need both Smith and Edwards throughout the season.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2019 9:32:12 GMT
Not sure what point you’re trying to make? If it’s that we should have brought a left back in as well as a right back, then I agree. But I was just making a point that in my opinion, Edwards shouldn’t be untouchable at right back and it was a good decision to bring Smith in. Even Erik Pieters managed 2 assists in less than half a season at left back and he was carted off A first choice LB was a priority a first choice RB was not, so as usual we do it the wrong way around, starting McClean who is not a defender in a million years at LB is fcuking madness, we now have two LB's on the books neither fit the requirements of the diamond system it makes no sense. The problem is that the manager stated that it would be a fair fight between Edwards and Smith ! really we will see this coming weekend who is given the nod.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 9:34:08 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. Cmon Bayern that’s like saying after Edwards at Swansea he should be out also It’s one game, just embrace the fact we’ve got two excellent full backs Edwards should be in possession of the shirt anyway. It’s piss poor management.
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Post by werrington on Jul 28, 2019 9:37:14 GMT
Cmon Bayern that’s like saying after Edwards at Swansea he should be out also It’s one game, just embrace the fact we’ve got two excellent full backs Edwards should be in possession of the shirt anyway. It’s piss poor management. If course it is Bayern of course it is What the fuck was I thinking
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 9:41:00 GMT
Edwards should be in possession of the shirt anyway. It’s piss poor management. If course it is Bayern of course it is What the fuck was I thinking God knows. You have a young lad who finished the season well and he’s all of a sudden be jettisoned. It’s wank.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 28, 2019 9:41:27 GMT
Oh yes he should! The shirt should have been Edwards’ to lose at the start of the season, following the end to last season. Then the competition should start. Smith is not clearly better and should have to wait for his chance. It’s poor management and detrimental to team spirit if a manager appears to be unfairly favouring his own signings for no reason other than to justify them. You stand to lose your best young players doing that Lol shock horror manager plays his players not seen that before. Young does not mean beat,.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 28, 2019 10:02:30 GMT
We definitely scored one goal from his cross, not saying it was a direct assist but flicked back in from a Stoke player. Chuck onto that the number of times he was able to get us all appreciate a cross he did only for someone not to convert it. In this instance I believe the stats don’t tell the full story although I would love to see his created XGs. Tom Edwards is already a threat going forward. Im not saying he can’t knock a decent ball in but I’d expect more return from someone who is apparently one of the best crossers of the ball in the squad. It’s healthy competition and I’m sure we will need both Smith and Edwards throughout the season. I’m a hater of hyperbole but I’d say he’s in the top 5 best crossers I’ve ever seen at Stoke and the best deep crosser I’ve ever seen. I can’t recall someone being able to cross from 30-35 yards out in play like he does. You’re right the stats need to improve but I think the ingredients are there for him to change this.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 28, 2019 10:18:56 GMT
If course it is Bayern of course it is What the fuck was I thinking God knows. You have a young lad who finished the season well and he’s all of a sudden be jettisoned. It’s wank. I'm fully behind the signing of Smith. i think he's a really good player at this level and I think come May next year he will be our first choice, but it does seem really harsh on Edwards who seems to have automatically lost his shirt. We'll need both throughout the season but I'd have Edwards starting next week and given the chance to keep the shirt which was his last season. He needs to grab any chance he gets with both hands.
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 28, 2019 10:20:44 GMT
Peak Stoke fans this is, moaning because we have 2 good options for 1 position.
I know we are not used to it but can you fathom for 1 second that Edwards will be a better player due to actual competant competition for his place. ? Neither can play 46 games a season and for one im actually happy that we have a decent option to cover injuries and suspensions rather than fearing a round peg, square hole scenerio that we are used to seeing.
Now about that left side........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 10:23:38 GMT
Peak Stoke fans this is, moaning because we have 2 good options for 1 position. I know we are not used to it but can you fathom for 1 second that Edwards will be a better player due to actual competant competition for his place. ? Neither can play 46 games a season and for one im actually happy that we have a decent option to cover injuries and suspensions rather than fearing a round peg, square hole scenerio that we are used to seeing. Now about that left side........ No I cannot fathom that Edwards will get better if he’s not actually getting the game time. It’s not about having two players it’s about Edwards losing his spot for no reason. There’s a first choice and there’s a back up regardless of this whole “competition for space” spin.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 28, 2019 10:37:30 GMT
If course it is Bayern of course it is What the fuck was I thinking God knows. You have a young lad who finished the season well and he’s all of a sudden be jettisoned. It’s wank. Hardly fucking jettisoned is he? He’ll get the shirt in merit, the same way smith will? What’s to say Edwards thinks He’s made it and slacked off over the summer and Smith has come in and outshone him 10 fold in training. You just don’t know, just another stick to beat the manager with. We needed competition for Rb, we have that, he’s also I leader which I think even you can agree we needed. If this raises Edwards game further and Smith helps develop him? I suppose that’s piss poor management too is it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 10:41:04 GMT
God knows. You have a young lad who finished the season well and he’s all of a sudden be jettisoned. It’s wank. Hardly fucking jettisoned is he? He’ll get the shirt in merit, the same way smith will? What’s to say Edwards thinks He’s made it and slacked off over the summer and Smith has come in and outshone him 10 fold in training. You just don’t know, just another stick to beat the manager with. We needed competition for Rb, we have that, he’s also I leader which I think even you can agree we needed. If this raises Edwards game further and Smith helps develop him? I suppose that’s piss poor management too is it? He had it on merit and it’s been taken off him for what?
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 28, 2019 10:42:42 GMT
Hardly fucking jettisoned is he? He’ll get the shirt in merit, the same way smith will? What’s to say Edwards thinks He’s made it and slacked off over the summer and Smith has come in and outshone him 10 fold in training. You just don’t know, just another stick to beat the manager with. We needed competition for Rb, we have that, he’s also I leader which I think even you can agree we needed. If this raises Edwards game further and Smith helps develop him? I suppose that’s piss poor management too is it? He had it on merit and it’s been taken off him for what? How do you know he isn’t starting at QPR? But like I say we don’t know if Edwards slacked off over the summer and getting complacent which is why he’s got the shirt taken off him to drive him on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 10:45:27 GMT
He had it on merit and it’s been taken off him for what? How do you know he isn’t starting at QPR? I obviously don’t for sure but if he doesn’t start with this side vs QPR then I’ll be shocked: Butland Smith Batth Indi McClean Cousins Clucas Allen Powell Vokes Afobe The only one up for debate is Indi really.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 28, 2019 11:35:02 GMT
How do you know he isn’t starting at QPR? I obviously don’t for sure but if he doesn’t start with this side vs QPR then I’ll be shocked: Butland Smith Batth Indi McClean Cousins Clucas Allen Powell Vokes Afobe The only one up for debate is Indi really. I’ve edited. Sorry.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 28, 2019 11:48:28 GMT
After today he should be starting next week. Cmon Bayern that’s like saying after Edwards at Swansea he should be out also It’s one game, just embrace the fact we’ve got two excellent full backs Problem is mate we had Edwards and Bauer as back up already. We now have 3 right backs and no left back !
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Post by harlequin on Jul 28, 2019 13:15:12 GMT
Yep, no contradiction there at all. At what point is a player's acheivment dismissed as the past and no longer worthy of consideration? Surely it should be until they are evidently no longer capable of the same level. Which isn't the case with Smith.
Why did he hardly play for Huddersfield last season then? Even when they were shitter than shit? Because Florent Hadergjonaj was first choice starting 6 more games than him.
I want to see Edwards cement his place on merit which I think he will this season. Not because we judged Smith after one mistake in a friendly game and didn't apply the same threshold to Edwards.
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 28, 2019 13:19:56 GMT
Cmon Bayern that’s like saying after Edwards at Swansea he should be out also It’s one game, just embrace the fact we’ve got two excellent full backs Problem is mate we had Edwards and Bauer as back up already. We now have 3 right backs and no left back ! Bauer wont be here in a months time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 13:20:15 GMT
Why did he hardly play for Huddersfield last season then? Even when they were shitter than shit? Because Florent Hadergjonaj was first choice starting 6 more games than him.
I want to see Edwards cement his place on merit which I think he will this season. Not because we judged Smith after one mistake in a friendly game and didn't apply the same threshold to Edwards.
If Smith starts next week how does Edwards regain that place less Smith is a disaster. My point is it should have been Edwards place to lose not Edwards place to have to somehow win back. Can you see the difference between those? I want him on merit. I think on merit he starts next week. It I don’t this he is and I don’t understand it.
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 28, 2019 13:30:26 GMT
Peak Stoke fans this is, moaning because we have 2 good options for 1 position. I know we are not used to it but can you fathom for 1 second that Edwards will be a better player due to actual competant competition for his place. ? Neither can play 46 games a season and for one im actually happy that we have a decent option to cover injuries and suspensions rather than fearing a round peg, square hole scenerio that we are used to seeing. Now about that left side........ No I cannot fathom that Edwards will get better if he’s not actually getting the game time. It’s not about having two players it’s about Edwards losing his spot for no reason. There’s a first choice and there’s a back up regardless of this whole “competition for space” spin. Try reading it really helps, both will get game time... And if you know anything a football or sport or life itself you surely understand competition brings out the best in us its a pretty basic premise thats tried tested and proved to be effective, you either rise to it or it consumes you. If you listened to Edwards last interview he said as much and welcomed the challange. I guess some Stoke fans are satisfied to see their favourite 11 play 46 games a season with no rest, no competition for place or have a weaker player come in as back up making the team vulnerable and weaker when certain players need a rest......i mean ffs why bother following the sport if you dont understand the basics ? Would you rather Edwards play and burn himself out and then have a reserve come in ? Or shall we play with 10 when he is injured ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 13:34:01 GMT
No I cannot fathom that Edwards will get better if he’s not actually getting the game time. It’s not about having two players it’s about Edwards losing his spot for no reason. There’s a first choice and there’s a back up regardless of this whole “competition for space” spin. Try reading it really helps, both will get game time... And if you know anything a football or sport or life itself you surely understand competition brings out the best in us its a pretty basic premise thats tried tested and proved to be effective, you either rise to it or it consumes you. If you listened to Edwards last interview he said as much and welcomed the challange. I guess some Stoke fans are satisfied to see their favourite 11 play 46 games a season with no rest, no competition for place or have a weaker player come in as back up making the team vulnerable and weaker when certain players need a rest......i mean ffs why bother following the sport if you dont understand the basics ? Would you rather Edwards play and burn himself out and then have a reserve come in ? Or shall we play with 10 when he is injured ? I have read it and my comment still stands. This a question of who should be first choice and who should be back up. They won’t get equal game time. One will play until they are injured or burn out. Is it right that Edwards won’t be starting? IMO no. But anyone who is thinking this “competition” and “two for each position” and equal game time is being naive. Edwards looks like he will now be back up. Either you’re happy about that or your not.
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 28, 2019 15:14:03 GMT
Try reading it really helps, both will get game time... And if you know anything a football or sport or life itself you surely understand competition brings out the best in us its a pretty basic premise thats tried tested and proved to be effective, you either rise to it or it consumes you. If you listened to Edwards last interview he said as much and welcomed the challange. I guess some Stoke fans are satisfied to see their favourite 11 play 46 games a season with no rest, no competition for place or have a weaker player come in as back up making the team vulnerable and weaker when certain players need a rest......i mean ffs why bother following the sport if you dont understand the basics ? Would you rather Edwards play and burn himself out and then have a reserve come in ? Or shall we play with 10 when he is injured ? I have read it and my comment still stands. This a question of who should be first choice and who should be back up. They won’t get equal game time. One will play until they are injured or burn out. Is it right that Edwards won’t be starting? IMO no. But anyone who is thinking this “competition” and “two for each position” and equal game time is being naive. Edwards looks like he will now be back up. Either you’re happy about that or your not. You are basing all this on assumption, how do you know NJ isnt happy and knows what Edwards brings to the team therefore is playing Smith to figure how and when he fits in. Until the end of the season its all assumption until you can breakdown there playing time. I like Edwards but defensively he is very suspect and has a lot to learn he cost us 2 or 3 goals toward the end of the season where he went forward lost the ball and couldnt get back fast enough. Having a more established player coming in who is very similar in terms of getting forward and is better at defending will help his development.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 15:23:55 GMT
I have read it and my comment still stands. This a question of who should be first choice and who should be back up. They won’t get equal game time. One will play until they are injured or burn out. Is it right that Edwards won’t be starting? IMO no. But anyone who is thinking this “competition” and “two for each position” and equal game time is being naive. Edwards looks like he will now be back up. Either you’re happy about that or your not. You are basing all this on assumption, how do you know NJ isnt happy and knows what Edwards brings to the team therefore is playing Smith to figure how and when he fits in. Until the end of the season its all assumption until you can breakdown there playing time. I like Edwards but defensively he is very suspect and has a lot to learn he cost us 2 or 3 goals toward the end of the season where he went forward lost the ball and couldnt get back fast enough. Having a more established player coming in who is very similar in terms of getting forward and is better at defending will help his development. An assumption based on what we’ve seen preseason and the fact our most expensive signing is another right back! You’re assumption he’s seeing “how and where Smith fits in” is the bizarre one? What did he do - spend £4m on a right back not to play him at right back? We’ll see next Saturday with who starts. Edwards is going to develop more if he’s playing.
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Post by DC1863 on Jul 28, 2019 15:28:25 GMT
Another thread consumed by the hyperbolists.
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Post by superalexneil on Jul 28, 2019 15:35:46 GMT
You are basing all this on assumption, how do you know NJ isnt happy and knows what Edwards brings to the team therefore is playing Smith to figure how and when he fits in. Until the end of the season its all assumption until you can breakdown there playing time. I like Edwards but defensively he is very suspect and has a lot to learn he cost us 2 or 3 goals toward the end of the season where he went forward lost the ball and couldnt get back fast enough. Having a more established player coming in who is very similar in terms of getting forward and is better at defending will help his development. An assumption based on what we’ve seen preseason and the fact our most expensive signing is another right back! You’re assumption he’s seeing “how and where Smith fits in” is the bizarre one? What did he do - spend £4m on a right back not to play him at right back? We’ll see next Saturday with who starts. Edwards is going to develop more if he’s playing. Surely the biggest issue is lack of budget this summer and 4m of it been wasted on a not overly important area. Especially due to the fact Edwards was one of our best players recently. Cant help but worry it screams of my team my transfers, the position should have been edwards to lose.
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Post by bridget on Jul 28, 2019 15:42:05 GMT
The theory of him easing off might be right. My daughter is a similar age to Tom and has seen him out and about around Newcastle over the summer. She commented that he was acting like a right arse very much look at me I'm a professional footballer. Her exact words were he needs knocking down a peg or two. If he has comeback into training with that attitude I cant see it going down well. Maybe Jones is trying to ground him a bit and make him realise he still has to work hard if he wants the shirt.
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Post by DC1863 on Jul 28, 2019 15:43:37 GMT
What's the alternative people would have preferred?
- Finishing the window with one RB. - Buying a lesser player to be backup to Tom? - Promoting a youth player to do the same? - Another Martina-esque loan backup?
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 28, 2019 15:54:19 GMT
What's the alternative people would have preferred? - Finishing the window with one RB. - Buying a lesser player to be backup to Tom? - Promoting a youth player to do the same? - Another Martina-esque loan backup? They are totally ignorant of the needs of the club or how to form a squad. The arguments for Edwards are just based on some misplaced loyalty that it's his place and nobody else should take it from him. It's a business it's happened millions of time before in the world of football it's laughable childish nonesence.
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