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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:34:01 GMT
It's our midfield. It's non-existent. Etebo will make a difference One man does not a midfield make. And will he have rested enough by the time he's in?
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Post by march4 on Jul 27, 2019 17:38:00 GMT
Before today I thought we would finish 16th this season.
Today hasn't changed that assessment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:38:42 GMT
People wonder why it looks the same as last season that's because it is no creativity from the flanks or midfield and the same players up front who played in so many 0-0 games. I suppose the 0nly blessing is that the manager has spent feck all. And because the manager has no real ideas when he's up against a degree of quality, never having played that or coached teams of the calibre. His tactical sense is so naive and negative. But he has 11 men who have bought into his ideas, so everything is beautiful. Yeah right.
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Post by s8to on Jul 27, 2019 17:43:20 GMT
The issue in front of goal is still the same we need a striker who can score goals! There was only one player in the entire starting XI today who looked capable of giving them any service. ... so When the ball is on the penalty spot that doesn’t count as a chance? 😂
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Post by femark on Jul 27, 2019 17:45:59 GMT
Joe Allen let his man run in behind about 20 times in that game. His fault for the first.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2019 17:47:01 GMT
There was only one player in the entire starting XI today who looked capable of giving them any service. ... so When the ball is on the penalty spot that doesn’t count as a chance? 😂 It does, how many others did he get today?
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 27, 2019 17:52:46 GMT
If only we had Bojan....oh and Jones out! I think he missed his last one.This penalty thing seems to have become a proper monkey on our backs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 18:03:53 GMT
If only we had Bojan....oh and Jones out! I think he missed his last one.This penalty thing seems to have become a proper monkey on our backs. We don't need Bojan to take penalties for us. His record is less convincing. We need Bojan to be a much needed playmaker, someone who knits everything together and initiates pace into our game. A job which just doesn't exist in our manager's way of thinking. If he's been moved on already, move him on back now!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 18:09:18 GMT
What a boring squad of players! Dear me!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 27, 2019 18:09:59 GMT
There was only one player in the entire starting XI today who looked capable of giving them any service. ... so When the ball is on the penalty spot that doesn’t count as a chance? 😂 Eh?
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 27, 2019 18:39:05 GMT
Just a training session we will piss this league 😎
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Post by s8to on Jul 27, 2019 19:33:16 GMT
... so When the ball is on the penalty spot that doesn’t count as a chance? 😂 Eh? Never mind!! 🙄
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 27, 2019 20:15:58 GMT
Anyone can miss a penalty mate, as we’ve seen. Do you think we created much today? Who in the current set up is going to create the chances?
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 27, 2019 20:22:29 GMT
Just a training session we will piss this league 😎 I hope that’s a fecking joke
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 27, 2019 21:18:41 GMT
Well, we are not a rabble any more - that's good. We are fitter - that's good too. And I trust that this is a team with more "character".
But that's just the most rudimentary foundations. If we aspire to score 65+ goals next year, who on earth is going to create 40-50 assists? Who provides creativity, the pace, guile, penetration. Who takes set pieces with sufficient quality? Luton had Stacey and Justin contributing about 10 each, plus giving lots of support to attacks in general. That's why the diamond worked for them; they had the personnel, albeit at a lower level.
Advice to NJ: You've got 10 days to find 2-3 creative pacy players if you don't want to finish 10th-16th again, and thereby keep your job beyond the winter. Electing to play a diamond, which requires 2 fullbacks who will score and/or create a total of 12-15 goals, especially without a c.10m+ budget for each one, always looked a questionable plan.
My sense is he will now go balls deep for Gayle next week, recognising, too late, that he needs to "twist" with this team.
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Post by musik on Jul 27, 2019 22:43:30 GMT
McClean did well at fullback, My thoughts too. I've never been a fan of McClean when he's in midfield. All of a sudden I was a fan. He did everything right. Pure quality. Very surprised. Very impressed. He will stay there.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 28, 2019 0:10:44 GMT
Well, we are not a rabble any more - that's good. We are fitter - that's good too. And I trust that this is a team with more "character". But that's just the most rudimentary foundations. If we aspire to score 65+ goals next year, who on earth is going to create 40-50 assists? Who provides creativity, the pace, guile, penetration. Who takes set pieces with sufficient quality? Luton had Stacey and Justin contributing about 10 each, plus giving lots of support to attacks in general. That's why the diamond worked for them; they had the personnel, albeit at a lower level. Advice to NJ: You've got 10 days to find 2-3 creative pacy players if you don't want to finish 10th-16th again, and thereby keep your job beyond the winter. Electing to play a diamond, which requires 2 fullbacks who will score and/or create a total of 12-15 goals, especially without a c.10m+ budget for each one, always looked a questionable plan. My sense is he will now go balls deep for Gayle next week, recognising, too late, that he needs to "twist" with this team. He won’t be allowed to go balls deep as we can’t afford to and he now needs another leader as well ,he’s playing the hand he is dealt , we soon won’t have a technical director for good reason funny enough hindsight says whelan would have been a good choice now leader and DFM solved in one We aren’t able to invest in the type of players at that level we are shopping in a very very different market .
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jul 28, 2019 9:18:38 GMT
If only we had Bojan....oh and Jones out! You're a strange character aren't you? Very.
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Post by samuel32 on Jul 28, 2019 10:37:27 GMT
The ridiculously obvious problem with the diamond system is our full backs are exposed. That was there for all to see as their right back got free to cross for Leicester's first goal. McLean got sucked in and Allen didn't track back well enough to stop the cross.
This was the problem last season with the diamond, so it's slightly alarming that it's happening again. Having played this diamond system for so long you'd hope Jones would have an answer to this.
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Post by fca47 on Jul 28, 2019 12:16:04 GMT
The ridiculously obvious problem with the diamond system is our full backs are exposed. That was there for all to see as their right back got free to cross for Leicester's first goal. McLean got sucked in and Allen didn't track back well enough to stop the cross. This was the problem last season with the diamond, so it's slightly alarming that it's happening again. Having played this diamond system for so long you'd hope Jones would have an answer to this. I assume he is thinking we will give the opposition more problems playing this way than they will cause us.
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Post by strettonstokie on Jul 28, 2019 12:27:13 GMT
We looked fitter but that's all really. We lacked any cutting edge, pace or creativity again. I can't blame the front 2 as there is no creativity at all, Powell did less bar a freak goal than bojan would do all game but he's being praised? We need a new left back and a new striker both with pace to burn otherwise we will end up a mid table club again. I would add to the list another midfielder but I'm hoping ndiaye will somehow stay because him and etebo as the 2 midfielders will be much better than what we saw from Allen and Clucas yesterday. Overall abit uninspiring again
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Post by samuel32 on Jul 28, 2019 14:59:43 GMT
The ridiculously obvious problem with the diamond system is our full backs are exposed. That was there for all to see as their right back got free to cross for Leicester's first goal. McLean got sucked in and Allen didn't track back well enough to stop the cross. This was the problem last season with the diamond, so it's slightly alarming that it's happening again. Having played this diamond system for so long you'd hope Jones would have an answer to this. I assume he is thinking we will give the opposition more problems playing this way than they will cause us. Yep, hope he's right. The system worked for him at Luton, but this is a higher standard. At least we're trying something different. We're never going to go up doing the same stuff as every other club.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 28, 2019 15:11:26 GMT
So much for Jones's revolution. The starting line-up wasn't much different to last season's team. A new right back we probably didn't need a cdm on a freeby because Jones knows him Powell as creator general and a bizarre choice for lwb. People wonder why it looks the same as last season that's because it is no creativity from the flanks or midfield and the same players up front who played in so many 0-0 games. I suppose the 0nly blessing is that the manager has spent feck all. We are paying for previous mistakes. It’s no coincidence that most our signings are free transfers. If NJ was given Rowetts budget I think we’d be looking at a very different side. Right now like it or not it’s all about stability and clearing the decks. I’m very confident unless there’s lots of movement that we’ll finish 10-16th. Nowhere near enough creativity in the side.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 28, 2019 15:53:33 GMT
Surely our new Messiah will have all the answers!
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 28, 2019 16:00:18 GMT
Well, we are not a rabble any more - that's good. We are fitter - that's good too. And I trust that this is a team with more "character". But that's just the most rudimentary foundations. If we aspire to score 65+ goals next year, who on earth is going to create 40-50 assists? Who provides creativity, the pace, guile, penetration. Who takes set pieces with sufficient quality? Luton had Stacey and Justin contributing about 10 each, plus giving lots of support to attacks in general. That's why the diamond worked for them; they had the personnel, albeit at a lower level. Advice to NJ: You've got 10 days to find 2-3 creative pacy players if you don't want to finish 10th-16th again, and thereby keep your job beyond the winter. Electing to play a diamond, which requires 2 fullbacks who will score and/or create a total of 12-15 goals, especially without a c.10m+ budget for each one, always looked a questionable plan. My sense is he will now go balls deep for Gayle next week, recognising, too late, that he needs to "twist" with this team. He won’t be allowed to go balls deep as we can’t afford to and he now needs another leader as well ,he’s playing the hand he is dealt , we soon won’t have a technical director for good reason funny enough hindsight says whelan would have been a good choice now leader and DFM solved in one We aren’t able to invest in the type of players at that level we are shopping in a very very different market . He might not get anywhere with lobbying for Gayle, true - and don't think its a good long term move for us anyway. But, if we get to the end of this window without more pace, incision and creativity, its going to be a slog. In the much favoured food analogies, this team is a cheese sandwich. Its not steak and chips, but its not rotting fish either. Its an okay slab of bread and an okay slab of value cheddar cheese. But it needs some flavour, some mustard or something. And, if we keep eating it, meal and after meal, the predictability will see us gradually wither through vitamin deficiencies. Yes, good pt about Whelan - not a bad asset around the squad at all - though wonder if any of the former captains we now have could step up too - Smith, Batth both done well I think as captains past.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 28, 2019 16:18:43 GMT
So much for Jones's revolution. The starting line-up wasn't much different to last season's team. A new right back we probably didn't need a cdm on a freeby because Jones knows him Powell as creator general and a bizarre choice for lwb. People wonder why it looks the same as last season that's because it is no creativity from the flanks or midfield and the same players up front who played in so many 0-0 games. I suppose the 0nly blessing is that the manager has spent feck all. We are paying for previous mistakes. It’s no coincidence that most our signings are free transfers. If NJ was given Rowetts budget I think we’d be looking at a very different side. Right now like it or not it’s all about stability and clearing the decks. I’m very confident unless there’s lots of movement that we’ll finish 10-16th. Nowhere near enough creativity in the side. I understand why NJ has started with foundations, which I think he sees more in terms of "character" than a particular position on the pitch: determined., strong minded players with a winning mentality. Get that. And its good. But I do think he himself could have been a fair bit more creative with the 10 signings or so and the c20m he has spent, more by playing to existing strengths, while infusing with both "characters" and a couple of creative and pacy players who can change and win games. The reasons we haven't sold players remains somewhat of a mystery. Butland, Allen, N'Diaye, Bauer and Woods would seem sellable assets, to generate c40m income, if we were 'determined sellers' - and invest half of that. Build on the fact we have several promising young players, a strong effective defence, and if we were also willing not to rule out loans, the squad could have looked - to my mind - not only stronger but also more creative and versatile. I'm saying this not knowing what's entirely possible with sales or incomings, but he has built this team like a brick layer rather than an engineer. I think, to these ends, the diamond may well be his downfall, as Verlinden and Ince could have added to creativity in a system with wide forwards, which required the full backs to be just that.
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Post by camstoke10 on Jul 28, 2019 16:23:01 GMT
McClean did well at fullback, My thoughts too. I've never been a fan of McClean when he's in midfield. All of a sudden I was a fan. He did everything right. Pure quality. Very surprised. Very impressed. He will stay there. this, thought attacking wise he was good, broke away but a poor shot and ran most the and hit a good shot from outside the box and didnt look bad defensively especially considering the players he was playing against
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 28, 2019 16:26:13 GMT
We are paying for previous mistakes. It’s no coincidence that most our signings are free transfers. If NJ was given Rowetts budget I think we’d be looking at a very different side. Right now like it or not it’s all about stability and clearing the decks. I’m very confident unless there’s lots of movement that we’ll finish 10-16th. Nowhere near enough creativity in the side. I understand why NJ has started with foundations, which I think he sees more in terms of "character" than a particular position on the pitch: determined., strong minded players with a winning mentality. Get that. And its good. But I do think he himself could have been a fair bit more creative with the 10 signings or so and the c20m he has spent, more by playing to existing strengths, while infusing with both "characters" and a couple of creative and pacy players who can change and win games. The reasons we haven't sold players remains somewhat of a mystery. Butland, Allen, N'Diaye, Bauer and Woods would seem sellable assets, to generate c40m income, if we were 'determined sellers' - and invest half of that. Build on the fact we have several promising young players, a strong effective defence, and if we were also willing not to rule out loans, the squad could have looked - to my mind - not only stronger but also more creative and versatile. I'm saying this not knowing what's entirely possible with sales or incomings, but he has built this team like a brick layer rather than an engineer. I think, to these ends, the diamond may well be his downfall, as Verlinden and Ince could have added to creativity in a system with wide forwards, which required the full backs to be just that. I think a lot of the lack of sale is down to Scholes. From his pre season interview he didn’t seem very proactive and was more “let’s wait for the agents to do their work.”
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 28, 2019 16:39:26 GMT
I understand why NJ has started with foundations, which I think he sees more in terms of "character" than a particular position on the pitch: determined., strong minded players with a winning mentality. Get that. And its good. But I do think he himself could have been a fair bit more creative with the 10 signings or so and the c20m he has spent, more by playing to existing strengths, while infusing with both "characters" and a couple of creative and pacy players who can change and win games. The reasons we haven't sold players remains somewhat of a mystery. Butland, Allen, N'Diaye, Bauer and Woods would seem sellable assets, to generate c40m income, if we were 'determined sellers' - and invest half of that. Build on the fact we have several promising young players, a strong effective defence, and if we were also willing not to rule out loans, the squad could have looked - to my mind - not only stronger but also more creative and versatile. I'm saying this not knowing what's entirely possible with sales or incomings, but he has built this team like a brick layer rather than an engineer. I think, to these ends, the diamond may well be his downfall, as Verlinden and Ince could have added to creativity in a system with wide forwards, which required the full backs to be just that. I think a lot of the lack of sale is down to Scholes. From his pre season interview he didn’t seem very proactive and was more “let’s wait for the agents to do their work.” Quelle surprise.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2019 16:47:49 GMT
We are paying for previous mistakes. It’s no coincidence that most our signings are free transfers. If NJ was given Rowetts budget I think we’d be looking at a very different side. Right now like it or not it’s all about stability and clearing the decks. I’m very confident unless there’s lots of movement that we’ll finish 10-16th. Nowhere near enough creativity in the side. I understand why NJ has started with foundations, which I think he sees more in terms of "character" than a particular position on the pitch: determined., strong minded players with a winning mentality. Get that. And its good. But I do think he himself could have been a fair bit more creative with the 10 signings or so and the c20m he has spent, more by playing to existing strengths, while infusing with both "characters" and a couple of creative and pacy players who can change and win games. The reasons we haven't sold players remains somewhat of a mystery. Butland, Allen, N'Diaye, Bauer and Woods would seem sellable assets, to generate c40m income, if we were 'determined sellers' - and invest half of that. Build on the fact we have several promising young players, a strong effective defence, and if we were also willing not to rule out loans, the squad could have looked - to my mind - not only stronger but also more creative and versatile. I'm saying this not knowing what's entirely possible with sales or incomings, but he has built this team like a brick layer rather than an engineer. I think, to these ends, the diamond may well be his downfall, as Verlinden and Ince could have added to creativity in a system with wide forwards, which required the full backs to be just that. The diamond needs fast attacking full backs who have the stamina to get up and down the pitch all game not 60mins., they also have to have the ability to deliver decent cross's on the run, neither of them from yesterday has any of those attributes and ultimately will lead to the system failing.
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