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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Jul 29, 2019 10:29:28 GMT
Sell sell sell for me. His best performances came when he was on loan. Loads if options to cover him leaving. Will keep Bayern happy too, as Collins will now be much closer to the first team!
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 29, 2019 10:32:18 GMT
I don't think you can recall anybody on a season-long loan deal, unless you do so in the January transfer window. That could well be a load of shit, but I'm fairly certain you can't just recall Souttar as and when. Didnt we let Assaidi go back to Liverpool, by a "Gentlemans Agreement" whilst in mid loan, to allow him to complete a career move transfer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2019 10:33:08 GMT
You can’t recall them once the window shut, that is a rule. So if we can recall him at all, it would have to be done before then. But we might not even be able to do that. Is that correct Bayern in regards Souttar? I know you can’t recall anybody on 6 month or full season loans but I’m unaware that you can do it before a ball is kicked? I don’t know but as you say you can’t do in the parameters you’ve mentioned so if we wanted him for the first half of the season and we can recall him it would be now or never. But that’s just me speculating if we can. If I had to bet, I’d say we wouldn’t be able to. Hence my concern in selling Indi. I just don’t trust us to get someone else in if we need to.
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Post by werrington on Jul 29, 2019 10:51:51 GMT
I don't think you can recall anybody on a season-long loan deal, unless you do so in the January transfer window. That could well be a load of shit, but I'm fairly certain you can't just recall Souttar as and when. Didnt we let Assaidi go back to Liverpool, by a "Gentlemans Agreement" whilst in mid loan, to allow him to complete a career move transfer. I think all 3 parties have to be in agreement....if one of the 3 doesn’t want it then it can’t happen
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 29, 2019 10:53:18 GMT
Didnt we let Assaidi go back to Liverpool, by a "Gentlemans Agreement" whilst in mid loan, to allow him to complete a career move transfer. I think all 3 parties have to be in agreement....if one of the 3 doesn’t want it then it can’t happen And you'd imagine Joey Barton would have a 2-word reply, the second of which would be "off"!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 29, 2019 10:59:52 GMT
I think all 3 parties have to be in agreement....if one of the 3 doesn’t want it then it can’t happen And you'd imagine Joey Barton would have a 2-word reply, the second of which would be "off"! If recalling Souttar is allowed before the season starts (big IF of course) no doubt Joey Barton's agreement would be dependent upon what we were offering to grease the wheels. A decent sum of money (enabling them to get in a player they could ordinarily not afford) and/or the offer of another player or players who he feels would benefit his team, might do the trick. At the end of the day he has to be convinced that he is gaining out of the deal. But this is all irrelevant if the loan can't be terminated under the rules.
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Post by neddy on Jul 29, 2019 11:00:48 GMT
I’d let Indi go personally...
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 29, 2019 11:03:43 GMT
We don’t sell players very often do we? Another frigging loan That’s because clubs won’t pay the wages the players are on and why should the players take a drop in wages It suits all parties and economical sense for us to get a loan fee and part subsidise the wage In reality the players are not good enough, if the players were good enough you’d have clubs queuing up for them regardless of the wage. We have signed too many average players on huge contracts who are simply average footballers, we have had a few players who have made us a profit but not many.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 29, 2019 11:18:01 GMT
Can’t Tommy Smith play CB? Meaning we could have Batth, Lindsay and Collins as any 2 from 3, with Smith as cover (giving Edwards more chance of playing).
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Post by britvic72 on Jul 29, 2019 11:21:53 GMT
I think all 3 parties have to be in agreement....if one of the 3 doesn’t want it then it can’t happen And you'd imagine Joey Barton would have a 2-word reply, the second of which would be "off"! Is that from within the confines of his padded cell?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 29, 2019 11:31:12 GMT
I’d take the £4m on offer and look to get Cahill in for a season. If it is as much as £4M and we don't have to pay any percentage of his wages I'd definitely sell. We still have Wimmer as an option too, and he can't be so bad that he isn't good enough as being 4th choice in the Championship!?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 29, 2019 11:40:10 GMT
Not saying it's as easy as it sounds but this is where signing a player like Ajayi would have helped massively.
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Post by werrington on Jul 29, 2019 11:47:43 GMT
That’s because clubs won’t pay the wages the players are on and why should the players take a drop in wages It suits all parties and economical sense for us to get a loan fee and part subsidise the wage In reality the players are not good enough, if the players were good enough you’d have clubs queuing up for them regardless of the wage. We have signed too many average players on huge contracts who are simply average footballers, we have had a few players who have made us a profit but not many. Oh yeah 100% That’s all been done though and you can’t turn it back
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 29, 2019 11:56:12 GMT
let him go if the deal is right after Saturday , we might need him on the bench just in case as the new lad is banned but without him we have four decent centre backs and collins needs games .
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 29, 2019 11:57:11 GMT
Not saying it's as easy as it sounds but this is where signing a player like Ajayi would have helped massively. Him and Sawyers seems fairly large bollocks dropped to me given the connections
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 29, 2019 12:04:23 GMT
Not saying it's as easy as it sounds but this is where signing a player like Ajayi would have helped massively. Him and Sawyers seems fairly large bollocks dropped to me given the connections I think Sawyers would have chosen WBA over us whatever so that was a difficult one. If we were interested in Ajayi, it's disappointing that we lost out. I'm not saying we didn't try hard enough as who knows what went on but, to me, he looked like a perfect signing. I guess our bad season last year has put us understandably behind West Brom more than anything else.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 29, 2019 12:12:36 GMT
I’d take the £4m on offer and look to get Cahill in for a season. If it is as much as £4M and we don't have to pay any percentage of his wages I'd definitely sell. We still have Wimmer as an option too, and he can't be so bad that he isn't good enough as being 4th choice in the Championship!? I agree. It's also a chance for NJ to have crack at rejuvenating Kevin and trying to get him at least halfway to looking the player he did 4 years ago. Just halfway is enough to be 4th choice CB, and he might even put himself in the Jan window if he turns in a few solid performances.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 29, 2019 12:16:45 GMT
If it is as much as £4M and we don't have to pay any percentage of his wages I'd definitely sell. We still have Wimmer as an option too, and he can't be so bad that he isn't good enough as being 4th choice in the Championship!? I agree. It's also a chance for NJ to have crack at rejuvenating Kevin and trying to get him at least halfway to looking the player he did 4 years ago. Just halfway is enough to be 4th choice CB, and he might even put himself in the Jan window if he turns in a few solid performances. With Souttar out on loan and Ryan probably to come back at one stage of the season I don't see the need for another central defender. In emergency I also think Smith or Ward could slot in for a game or two. We need to offload to make sure we are within FFP, and to make space for other more urgent transfers.
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 29, 2019 12:45:17 GMT
In reality the players are not good enough, if the players were good enough you’d have clubs queuing up for them regardless of the wage. We have signed too many average players on huge contracts who are simply average footballers, we have had a few players who have made us a profit but not many. Oh yeah 100% That’s all been done though and you can’t turn it back [ Unfortunately
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Post by ash on Jul 29, 2019 12:48:08 GMT
I agree, we should move forward with the deal if the fee is what we've been told. We have players that could fill in if needed or alternatively sign someone else either permanently or on loan for less. If we don't sell now the fee next time round is likely to be considerably less!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 29, 2019 12:53:16 GMT
It would be stupidity to let Bruno go now.
A pool of Baath, Lindsay and Collins for the season would be downright irresponsible management.
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Post by RF10 on Jul 29, 2019 13:00:02 GMT
It would be stupidity to let Bruno go now. A pool of Baath, Lindsay and Collins for the season would be downright irresponsible management. And Souttar if recall is available.
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Post by ash on Jul 29, 2019 13:00:27 GMT
It would be stupidity to let Bruno go now. A pool of Baath, Lindsay and Collins for the season would be downright irresponsible management. And Wimmer!
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 29, 2019 13:02:46 GMT
It would be stupidity to let Bruno go now. A pool of Baath, Lindsay and Collins for the season would be downright irresponsible management. Again, you're forgetting Kevin. Yes, he's crap but even he can probably do a job for the limited amount of game time a 4th choice CB can expect. Let BMI go. We need to take every opportunity we can to move the deadwood out. Even Kevin might surprise us with some reasonable performance that entice another club to panic buy him in the January window.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 29, 2019 13:08:56 GMT
Sell him, we need a lighter squad. Tell Wimmer to get his fat body into shape as an emergency back-up
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Post by skelman on Jul 29, 2019 13:10:10 GMT
If it is as much as £4M and we don't have to pay any percentage of his wages I'd definitely sell. We still have Wimmer as an option too, and he can't be so bad that he isn't good enough as being 4th choice in the Championship!? I agree. It's also a chance for NJ to have crack at rejuvenating Kevin and trying to get him at least halfway to looking the player he did 4 years ago. Just halfway is enough to be 4th choice CB, and he might even put himself in the Jan window if he turns in a few solid performances. That'd be a bit like trying to raise the Titanic and then finding it was full of holes besides the big one that sunk it!!
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 29, 2019 13:18:41 GMT
Sell.
And I can't believe I'm saying this but ... I'd get Kev back and slog him round the training pitch 'til he's lost the 2 st + he needs to.
Even he'll do for the bench & 4th choice.
Then, if ano, better deal is out there for someone better before the window closes, then let's do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 13:23:11 GMT
Is that correct Bayern in regards Souttar? I know you can’t recall anybody on 6 month or full season loans but I’m unaware that you can do it before a ball is kicked? I don’t know but as you say you can’t do in the parameters you’ve mentioned so if we wanted him for the first half of the season and we can recall him it would be now or never. But that’s just me speculating if we can. If I had to bet, I’d say we wouldn’t be able to. Hence my concern in selling Indi. I just don’t trust us to get someone else in if we need to. Don't worry, sonny boy. Jones will just convert McClean again, this time as a sweeper.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 29, 2019 13:25:39 GMT
It would be stupidity to let Bruno go now. A pool of Baath, Lindsay and Collins for the season would be downright irresponsible management. And Souttar if recall is available. He's not ready yet. That would only leave us with Baath who is the only one out of the 4 who is proven to be good enough for us playing in this league.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 29, 2019 13:28:36 GMT
It would be stupidity to let Bruno go now. A pool of Baath, Lindsay and Collins for the season would be downright irresponsible management. Again, you're forgetting Kevin. Yes, he's crap but even he can probably do a job for the limited amount of game time a 4th choice CB can expect. Let BMI go. We need to take every opportunity we can to move the deadwood out. Even Kevin might surprise us with some reasonable performance that entice another club to panic buy him in the January window. If we don't get an offer for him then yes I'd begrudgingly have him as 3rd or 4th choice instead of Souttar. At least we'd be making some use of his extortionate wages and you never know he may surprise a few people.
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