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Post by mrcoke on Jul 16, 2019 22:28:34 GMT
This will make 10 new footballers Jones has signed in 6 months. En route to 11 "new" faces on the opening day of the season??? That would blow a few gaskets on here.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 16, 2019 22:31:31 GMT
This will make 10 new footballers Jones has signed in 6 months. En route to 11 "new" faces on the opening day of the season??? That would blow a few gaskets on here. I think there's every possibility that he could field a team of his players apart from Allen and Etebo
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 16, 2019 22:39:19 GMT
Stoke City "B" team.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jul 16, 2019 22:53:04 GMT
A bit like being the World’s Tallest Dwarf. Allen does all of those things, he also does other stuff well. He’s missed about 5 games in 3 years and for 3 years our central midfield has been an unbalanced mess because no one knows his best position. He gets played higher up where he isn’t creative enough, he gets played further back where he isn’t destructive or atheltic enough and he gets played in the middle where he isn’t discliplined enough. For a guy that’s allegedly our best player, I’d have expected to be batting off suitors for him. "Isn't destructive or athletic enough" ????????? Allen probably won us more possession than any other player in our team!!! He regularly covered more ground than any other player in the team!!!!!! A horse can cover more ground than Allen, the only difference is that the horse is probably more creative with the ball !
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Post by neilb987 on Jul 17, 2019 5:53:34 GMT
How many of the 10 signings are you happy about? Jury is still out on all of them. Surely the “jury is out” on all signings we make until we’ve actually watched then play at least a dozen times?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 17, 2019 6:02:29 GMT
How much would woods sell for? Well we bought him for 6.5m and apart from his first few games he's not set the world alight so we'd possibly be willing to let him go for around 5m if he's not in the managers plans?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2019 6:02:42 GMT
A bit like being the World’s Tallest Dwarf. Allen does all of those things, he also does other stuff well. He’s missed about 5 games in 3 years and for 3 years our central midfield has been an unbalanced mess because no one knows his best position. He gets played higher up where he isn’t creative enough, he gets played further back where he isn’t destructive or atheltic enough and he gets played in the middle where he isn’t discliplined enough. For a guy that’s allegedly our best player, I’d have expected to be batting off suitors for him. "Isn't destructive or athletic enough" ????????? Allen probably won us more possession than any other player in our team!!! He regularly covered more ground than any other player in the team!!!!!! And then duly loses it. And he covers a lot of ground because he’s so out of position and causes massive issues in doing so.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 17, 2019 6:35:12 GMT
Can’t really believe this one but Chopper suggests it could happen..... Covered himself there then
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 17, 2019 7:46:17 GMT
A bit like being the World’s Tallest Dwarf. Allen does all of those things, he also does other stuff well. He’s missed about 5 games in 3 years and for 3 years our central midfield has been an unbalanced mess because no one knows his best position. He gets played higher up where he isn’t creative enough, he gets played further back where he isn’t destructive or atheltic enough and he gets played in the middle where he isn’t discliplined enough. For a guy that’s allegedly our best player, I’d have expected to be batting off suitors for him. "Isn't destructive or athletic enough" ????????? Allen probably won us more possession than any other player in our team!!! He regularly covered more ground than any other player in the team!!!!!! He covers ground because he loses the ball more than any other player in the squad, which is a stat your forwards and wingers should be leading every time. Not your central midfielders either side of the halfway line. He has good points, I've said that but the fact is he doesn't justify his wage when there's a shit tonne of better midfielders out there (Pearson, Klich, Norwood, Sawyers) who are specialised and don't suffer from Allen's jack of all trades issues. I don't want jack of all trades because they tend to do ok rather than thrive. Weighted per 90 mins in the league he's a bang average centre midfielder. If he's half as good as people make out on here he'd be tearing this league to shreds. No one thinks Benik Afobe is a good striker for us just because he was the best of a bad bunch of forwards last year, so why does the same logic apply to Allen among midfielders. (where I'd argue he wasn't even the best anyway)
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 17, 2019 8:14:39 GMT
"Isn't destructive or athletic enough" ????????? Allen probably won us more possession than any other player in our team!!! He regularly covered more ground than any other player in the team!!!!!! He covers ground because he loses the ball more than any other player in the squad, which is a stat your forwards and wingers should be leading every time. Not your central midfielders either side of the halfway line. He has good points, I've said that but the fact is he doesn't justify his wage when there's a shit tonne of better midfielders out there (Pearson, Klich, Norwood, Sawyers) who are specialised and don't suffer from Allen's jack of all trades issues. I don't want jack of all trades because they tend to do ok rather than thrive. Weighted per 90 mins in the league he's a bang average centre midfielder. If he's half as good as people make out on he'd be tearing this league to shreds. No one thinks Benik Afobe is a good striker for us just because he was the best of a bad bunch of forwards last year, so why does the same logic apply to Allen among midfielders. (where I'd argue he wasn't even the best anyway) I was genuinely looking forward to watching a stoke city midfield without Joe Allen this season, however its becoming increasingly likely that he’s here to stay. He’s a good player Joe but for all the reasons you stated in your post he creates a lot of problems. I just want to see a stoke midfield that is comfortable in possession and dictate a game. We’ve not had that since the day Joe Allen signed.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jul 17, 2019 8:27:20 GMT
Not all players mentioned will sign, however everyone I mention will always be in talks or will sign otherwise there’s no point me posting the names. Pennington and McKenna were very close to signing but we pull out of deals or lose deals too, we will never sign everyone we talk to. I hope he signs this fella as the alternative Cousins would be a disaster. He really doesn't seem like a Jones signing though. Surely this means Woods would go. They’ve been trying to get rid of woods all summer
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 17, 2019 9:58:05 GMT
En route to 11 "new" faces on the opening day of the season??? That would blow a few gaskets on here. I think there's every possibility that he could field a team of his players apart from Allen and Etebo and maybe Etebo will start the season late, (assuming Steve Bruce doesn't offer a shed load of money for him) and Allen is sold.
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Post by gonk on Jul 17, 2019 10:28:56 GMT
I think there's every possibility that he could field a team of his players apart from Allen and Etebo and maybe Etebo will start the season late, (assuming Steve Bruce doesn't offer a shed load of money for him) and Allen is sold. Was thinking the same about Bruce ,He was very impressed with Etebo when we played Wednesday.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2019 10:47:01 GMT
www.linchiestaquotidiano.it/news/2019/07/17/calciomercato-frosinone-lo-stoke-city-su-chibsah/27526Ernesto Salvini, and his collaborator Alessandro Frara, is moving with great attention also to the chapter of sales.
Raman Chibsah's was one of the most talked-about names of the Frosinone squad since the beginning of the summer transfer market. Especially by virtue of the needs of the Viale Olimpia club to get rid of the heaviest earners of the players present on the team. The Ghanaian midfielder has been linked to several Serie A teams, including Lecce and Udinese.
But nothing concrete has moved. Which instead is happening in the last hours.
As picked up exclusively yesterday by our editorial staff and reported on in today's issue on newsstands, in fact, the '93 native of Accra seems destined to land in England. On his trail, Stoke City's interest in the Championship is strong. If from Italy for the moment nothing transpires and the mouths remain sewn, from Oltremanica significant confirmations arrive, to such an extent that the negotiations between the two clubs would be at an advanced stage. Further developments are expected in the coming hours.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 17, 2019 10:49:45 GMT
Good stuff. If we get him I hope he's worth the effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 10:52:57 GMT
and maybe Etebo will start the season late, (assuming Steve Bruce doesn't offer a shed load of money for him) and Allen is sold. Was thinking the same about Bruce ,He was very impressed with Etebo when we played Wednesday. If Bruce was anywhere else I'd be worried but I doubt Mike Ashley is going to put his hand in his pocket.
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Post by neddy on Jul 17, 2019 12:26:46 GMT
If we get a striker as well as him we will have bought a whole team since Nathan arrived.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jul 17, 2019 12:35:59 GMT
All this poison for joe allen on multiple threads completely and utterly mystifies me. If stoke have a tilt at a good season, you can pretty much guarantee joe will have a big part in it IMHO.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 17, 2019 12:40:54 GMT
All this poison for joe allen on multiple threads completely and utterly mystifies me. If stoke have a tilt at a good season, you can pretty much guarantee joe will have a big part in it IMHO. It's not "poison" what absolute hyperbole that is. I've said repeatedly he has good points such as his effort and the fact he will chase lost causes, but I simply do not believe he is anywhere near the best central midfielder in the league nor even in the squad. That's not "poison" it's a balanced opinion. Put Sawyers/Klich/Norwood into our midfield along with Etebo and it would look a lot better because they are specialists.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 17, 2019 12:42:04 GMT
www.linchiestaquotidiano.it/news/2019/07/17/calciomercato-frosinone-lo-stoke-city-su-chibsah/27526Ernesto Salvini, and his collaborator Alessandro Frara, is moving with great attention also to the chapter of sales.
Raman Chibsah's was one of the most talked-about names of the Frosinone squad since the beginning of the summer transfer market. Especially by virtue of the needs of the Viale Olimpia club to get rid of the heaviest earners of the players present on the team. The Ghanaian midfielder has been linked to several Serie A teams, including Lecce and Udinese.
But nothing concrete has moved. Which instead is happening in the last hours.
As picked up exclusively yesterday by our editorial staff and reported on in today's issue on newsstands, in fact, the '93 native of Accra seems destined to land in England. On his trail, Stoke City's interest in the Championship is strong. If from Italy for the moment nothing transpires and the mouths remain sewn, from Oltremanica significant confirmations arrive, to such an extent that the negotiations between the two clubs would be at an advanced stage. Further developments are expected in the coming hours. Well sniffed out, Grapey! This appears to be our first choice DM, a Ray Wallace for the new millennium. Cousins as his back up, and Woods......out of the door to the Villa to be reunited with his old boss at a club still close to home for him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 12:48:59 GMT
www.linchiestaquotidiano.it/news/2019/07/17/calciomercato-frosinone-lo-stoke-city-su-chibsah/27526Ernesto Salvini, and his collaborator Alessandro Frara, is moving with great attention also to the chapter of sales.
Raman Chibsah's was one of the most talked-about names of the Frosinone squad since the beginning of the summer transfer market. Especially by virtue of the needs of the Viale Olimpia club to get rid of the heaviest earners of the players present on the team. The Ghanaian midfielder has been linked to several Serie A teams, including Lecce and Udinese.
But nothing concrete has moved. Which instead is happening in the last hours.
As picked up exclusively yesterday by our editorial staff and reported on in today's issue on newsstands, in fact, the '93 native of Accra seems destined to land in England. On his trail, Stoke City's interest in the Championship is strong. If from Italy for the moment nothing transpires and the mouths remain sewn, from Oltremanica significant confirmations arrive, to such an extent that the negotiations between the two clubs would be at an advanced stage. Further developments are expected in the coming hours. I live for the translated comments.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2019 16:58:20 GMT
Just scored for Frosinone in a friendly - so nothing seems imminent!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 17, 2019 17:00:23 GMT
All this poison for joe allen on multiple threads completely and utterly mystifies me. If stoke have a tilt at a good season, you can pretty much guarantee joe will have a big part in it IMHO. Just like the massive part he played in the season we went down. And the massive part he played last season when we were even worse. He’s toss.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 17, 2019 20:31:09 GMT
I wish we had got to see Allen next to N'Zonzi in midfield. We could have proved his "crapness" beyond doubt, then. My guess is he would have done ok. I think our midfield fell apart largely due to Steve's departure. He was carrying it.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 17, 2019 21:34:21 GMT
All this poison for joe allen on multiple threads completely and utterly mystifies me. If stoke have a tilt at a good season, you can pretty much guarantee joe will have a big part in it IMHO. Just like the massive part he played in the season we went down. And the massive part he played last season when we were even worse. He’s toss. Bit harsh mate he's most definitely is not toss.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 17, 2019 21:36:14 GMT
All this poison for joe allen on multiple threads completely and utterly mystifies me. If stoke have a tilt at a good season, you can pretty much guarantee joe will have a big part in it IMHO. Just like the massive part he played in the season we went down. And the massive part he played last season when we were even worse. He’s toss. You’re being silly
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 17, 2019 23:53:55 GMT
I wish we had got to see Allen next to N'Zonzi in midfield. We could have proved his "crapness" beyond doubt, then. My guess is he would have done ok. I think our midfield fell apart largely due to Steve's departure. He was carrying it. He would have undermined the system like he does others, he doesn't seem to want to sit and keep the shape, yes he did it for Wales but at club level he seems all over the place, N'Zonzi and Whelan were a great partnership thanks in no small part to Whelan's discipline in the middle.
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 18, 2019 6:12:41 GMT
Whelan's return link has quietened down. Where has he gone is he still a free agent ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 6:26:33 GMT
When apparently the best midfielder in the squad and the league (Allen) creates less assists than apparently the worst footballer ever to exist (McClean) while playing considerably more minutes.
Tells you how effective he was.
Shoehorning him in midfield caused more imbalance and issues than any other player we’ve signed in recent history.
Was never needed, still not needed and still won’t be needed int he future. Yet we will have to find a way to play him regardless of the effect it has.
He’s not a bad player, he’s just not right for us.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 18, 2019 6:30:41 GMT
If we do sign Chibsah we should try to use the Clash song rock the casbah as his song😎
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