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Post by spitthedog on Jul 11, 2019 11:24:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48949073Nearly two-thirds of fans want VAR in the EFL I can't believe this is right. I hate VAR and I was under the impression most others did too! Anybody on here take part in this survey?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 11:47:07 GMT
You'd be stopping game every 3 minutes in the EFL! I never saw this survey and find it difficult to believe fans would have supported it. Good god it would be boring!
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Post by christhepotter on Jul 11, 2019 11:53:27 GMT
It needs tweaking but at least you get all the right decisions
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Post by DodgyDino on Jul 11, 2019 11:59:17 GMT
I may be in the minority but I'm all for it.... I want to go the footy knowing the correct decisions are made by referees and if that means the game stops once in a while then so be it. I know it's not 100% but its proved to work most of the time. I know people will say over a season things tend to even out but one bad decision by a ref can be the difference between getting promotion or not or even worse relegation. Like o say I'm all for it.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 11, 2019 12:03:31 GMT
Would have served us well last year, and possibly would have stopped us from going down.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 11, 2019 12:03:37 GMT
I may be in the minority but I'm all for it.... I want to go the footy knowing the correct decisions are made by referees and if that means the game stops once in a while then so be it. I know it's not 100% but its proved to work most of the time. I know people will say over a season things tend to even out but one bad decision by a ref can be the difference between getting promotion or not or even worse relegation. Like o say I'm all for it. I was always 50/50 on it and could see the good side of it and always said if they can streamline it and get the method of it working efficiently I’d be for it. Then I attended both of England’s nation league games this summer and I never want to attend another game with VAR again. It is not what attending football matches is all about at all
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 12:22:49 GMT
Absolutely woeful piece of equipment that will ruin this game.
If you’ve ever been to a live game where it’s caused controversy- you’ll know.
Utter crap. Bin it off.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2019 12:33:41 GMT
When was the survey done?
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 11, 2019 12:36:05 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48949073Nearly two-thirds of fans want VAR in the EFL I can't believe this is right. I hate VAR and I was under the impression most others did too! Anybody on here take part in this survey? I sent in 8,000 entries. I think VAR is the best thing since pig’s bladders we’re first inflated. I’m looking forward to the day when we have an hour long program ......top VAR decisions of the day. I’m going to start a petition right now. A zippy name should help ....... my effort is .....VARiations ! I could become the next Simon Cowell
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Post by rhodes2stoke on Jul 11, 2019 12:41:33 GMT
There's no way I'd want the possibility of us having to take more penalties so it's a no from me.
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Post by Northy on Jul 11, 2019 12:47:44 GMT
When was the survey done? On a Sunday evening, between 9 and 10 in slack bottom near Hebden Bridge
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2019 12:50:11 GMT
When was the survey done? On a Sunday evening, between 9 and 10 in slack bottom near Hebden Bridge Useless fact... Hebden Bridge is popular with the lesbian community.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 11, 2019 12:53:10 GMT
Would have served us well last year, and possibly would have stopped us from going down. Yeah, would definitely have helped us to be less wank over 38 games when we were relegated.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 11, 2019 12:55:57 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48949073Nearly two-thirds of fans want VAR in the EFL I can't believe this is right. I hate VAR and I was under the impression most others did too! Anybody on here take part in this survey? I sent in 8,000 entries. I think VAR is the best thing since pig’s bladders we’re first inflated. I’m looking forward to the day when we have an hour long program ......top VAR decisions of the day. I’m going to start a petition right now. A zippy name should help ....... my effort is .....VARiations ! I could become the next Simon Cowell Imagine, an hilarious compilations programme on Sky with clips of celebs like Paddy McGuinness and Eamonn Holmes commenting on what we’re seeing. “When VAR goes bad IV”. Can’t wait.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 11, 2019 13:24:15 GMT
On a Sunday evening, between 9 and 10 in slack bottom near Hebden Bridge Useless fact... Hebden Bridge is popular with the lesbian community. Is that a fact or a fantasy?.....or both?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2019 13:25:57 GMT
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Post by bigcashprizes on Jul 11, 2019 13:28:20 GMT
Fuck it off.
It’ll end up seeing me drifting towards non-league if it carries on like it is
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Post by zerps on Jul 11, 2019 13:33:47 GMT
It needs tweaking but at least you get all the right decisions Dunno, it’s still subjective and open to interpretation Like the old system
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Post by thehoof on Jul 11, 2019 13:52:13 GMT
So many seemingly good goals will be disallowed for a toe that is offside ( like Lacazzette at Stoke for Arsenal) with the game then being decided by some dubious handball decision that is still open to an individual opinion. After the bigger clubs ( who tend to play with their attackers on the last man’s shoulder) have had a season of this, there will be an outcry to get the offside law changed or re-interpreted. We might as well go the whole hog, have a massive klaxon that hoots to stop the game, while the “Ref” sits permanently in a video booth.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 11, 2019 14:13:12 GMT
S o many seemingly good goals will be disallowed for a toe that is offside ( like Lacazzette at Stoke for Arsenal) with the game then being decided by some dubious handball decision that is still open to an individual opinion. After the bigger clubs ( who tend to play with their attackers on the last man’s shoulder) have had a season of this, there will be an outcry to get the offside law changed or re-interpreted. We might as well go the whole hog, have a massive klaxon that hoots to stop the game, while the “Ref” sits permanently in a video booth. As VAR was not in use presumably the assistant referee managed to make that decision all by himself, so VAR would make no difference, conversely VAR would have given us a 4-0 lead against Arsenal and it worked perfectly to award South Africa their equaliser in the ANC yesterday. At the moment there are probably as many goals disallowed where the defenders big toe is playing the attacker on-side as are allowed where the attackers big toe is off-side, so those decisions may balance out. Even if they don't off-side is the one area of VAR where I don't have any problems, as if the camera positions are set up correctly it is a factual decision. The big problem is always going to be decisions based on opinion. Was it one or two blades of grass that tripped the forward up or, as you say, the interpretation of handball. Sticking the referee in a booth with a klaxon might be an interesting experiment but the big clubs would never allow it as how would the likes of John Terry manage to referee a game if they couldn't get in the referee's ear.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 11, 2019 15:32:35 GMT
S o many seemingly good goals will be disallowed for a toe that is offside ( like Lacazzette at Stoke for Arsenal) with the game then being decided by some dubious handball decision that is still open to an individual opinion. After the bigger clubs ( who tend to play with their attackers on the last man’s shoulder) have had a season of this, there will be an outcry to get the offside law changed or re-interpreted. We might as well go the whole hog, have a massive klaxon that hoots to stop the game, while the “Ref” sits permanently in a video booth. As VAR was not in use presumably the assistant referee managed to make that decision all by himself, so VAR would make no difference, conversely VAR would have given us a 4-0 lead against Arsenal and it worked perfectly to award South Africa their equaliser in the ANC yesterday. At the moment there are probably as many goals disallowed where the defenders big toe is playing the attacker on-side as are allowed where the attackers big toe is off-side, so those decisions may balance out. Even if they don't off-side is the one area of VAR where I don't have any problems, as if the camera positions are set up correctly it is a factual decision. The big problem is always going to be decisions based on opinion. Was it one or two blades of grass that tripped the forward up or, as you say, the interpretation of handball. Sticking the referee in a booth with a klaxon might be an interesting experiment but the big clubs would never allow it as how would the likes of John Terry manage to referee a game if they couldn't get in the referee's ear. The use of VAR in rugby has been great! If it’s unclear ( big toe territory) the VAR assistant simply says I cannot see any clear evidence why you should not award a try. If on the other hand, the guy dropped the ball milliseconds before grounding, no one can complain when it’s disallowed. Once you’re used to it, you’ll never want to go back!
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 11, 2019 15:34:52 GMT
So many seemingly good goals will be disallowed for a toe that is offside ( like Lacazzette at Stoke for Arsenal) with the game then being decided by some dubious handball decision that is still open to an individual opinion. After the bigger clubs ( who tend to play with their attackers on the last man’s shoulder) have had a season of this, there will be an outcry to get the offside law changed or re-interpreted. We might as well go the whole hog, have a massive klaxon that hoots to stop the game, while the “Ref” sits permanently in a video booth. Physical Graffiti!! Been more than a day or two since I had that LP! Happy memories!
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Post by retired1 on Jul 11, 2019 15:42:11 GMT
Players will need to wear smaller sized boots in case their toes were offside. We might end up with games lasting as long as NFL and baseball, and then the ads on Sky wil come in at every VAR check
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 11, 2019 16:25:28 GMT
I am all for technology and think goal line technology has been excellent. I think it is a good idea for ref. assistants not to flag for off-site and let play go on, then go to VAR for off-side if the attacking team gain an advantage, such as a goal, corner, or free kick. If the attacking side gain no advantage then play carries on without interruption, just as playing advantage when a foul is committed.
But I am not happy with VAR as it currently stands. It slows the game down, many decisions are still a matter of opinion, and it is even a matter of opinion to actually go to VAR for a decision.
Players will be "all over" the ref., appealing to go to VAR, often with no justification, just as they appeal for every throw in. Players will be celebrating a goal to be told that doesn't stand because of some trivial technicality.
We want more goals, not less. We want play to flow, not more interruptions; football is football not rugby which is full of interruptions for line outs, scrums, goal kicks for penalties, etc. so a delay for VAR is of little consequence.
How long will it be before we have 6 substitutes, stop the clock for interruptions in play that will become endless, have time outs, and stop the game for adverts?
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 11, 2019 17:19:01 GMT
Take it out of the ref’s hands and just let the crowd decide. Was he offside? All those who say yes, raise your right hand. Quick hand count and if it’s the majority, decision given.
Democracy at its finest, and I can’t seem to find any faults with doing it this way (some smart arse is bound to pipe up with a crappy reason why it won’t work though....)
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 11, 2019 17:44:52 GMT
Unfortunately, football in its arrogance decided to ignore the lessons from other sports which have been using video checking for years. One lesson is that being a video referee requires different skills than refereeing on the pitch, so the ref going over to look at a pitch side screen is ridiculous, not to mention time consuming. The other is that if you give the ref/umpire control they will, understandably, check everything. The system that works is for players to have a set number of challenges, say one per half.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 11, 2019 18:16:58 GMT
So it seems no-one on this forum knew anything about this survey, let alone participated in it.
I love these 'wide-ranging' surveys on which decisions are made even though nobody knows anyone who has taken part in it!
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Post by leicspotter on Jul 11, 2019 18:18:06 GMT
Useless fact... Hebden Bridge is popular with the lesbian community. Is that a fact or a fantasy?.....or both? I thought it was maybe a position
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2019 18:19:59 GMT
Fuck it off already.
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Post by leicspotter on Jul 11, 2019 18:20:33 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48949073Nearly two-thirds of fans want VAR in the EFL I can't believe this is right. I hate VAR and I was under the impression most others did too! Anybody on here take part in this survey? There seem to be surveys for everything nowadays, yet no one I know has ever taken part...I am also convinced that they only publish the ones that match their own vies, like the BBC's licence fees for over 75's
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