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Post by walrus on Jul 11, 2019 18:27:22 GMT
I’m dead against it but at least it would put an end to the ridiculous victim complex so many of our fans have about refereeing.
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 11, 2019 18:56:53 GMT
Just tell the ref the decision and don’t fuck about stopping the game until there is one.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 11, 2019 19:01:30 GMT
Just tell the ref the decision and don’t fuck about stopping the game until there is one. Exactly VAR should basically allow an off the field official to quickly review and advise the ref if an obvious mistake has been made, no stopping of play and no endless review of highly marginal decisions. |
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Post by Widget123 on Jul 11, 2019 20:27:59 GMT
It'll never be implemented below the prem as its too expensive to implement fully. However I'm only in favour of var in the following format:
1. Pitch side VAR ref watches video during play and has a headset like the linesmen.
2. The VAR ref watches the game on var in realtime and alerts the on pitch ref to anything he/she has missed - bad foul / handball / foul throw (haha!) etc.
3. The VAR ref cannot rewind the footage but assists the ref as best they can, like a linesman would, with the ref having the final say in all instances.
4. Both teams have a VAR call per game. They can use it for anything related to a goal/foul or misdemeanour.
5. The VAR ref rewinds the footage and makes a call like in Cricket and a upholding of the original decision forfeits the VAR call for the team - over turning the decision (no goal / red card rather than yellow / etc) and they keep the VAR call which prevents frivolous usage of it.
6. Frivolous usage of the VAR call by a team considered by the ref to be wasting time results in an automatic yellow card for the teams captain and the ref automatically adds extra injury time to the game.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 11, 2019 20:30:09 GMT
Fuck it off. The best thing about the championship this season coming is that we won’t have to deal with wanky VAR
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2019 20:56:38 GMT
I’m dead against it but at least it would put an end to the ridiculous victim complex so many of our fans have about refereeing. The victim complex can be quite embarrassing yes. But I prefer it to var. |
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Post by madnellie on Jul 12, 2019 5:20:33 GMT
Is that a fact or a fantasy?.....or both? I thought it was maybe a position   If it makes you feel any better mate, so did I 🤣 |
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jul 12, 2019 6:30:51 GMT
I'm a massive fan of VAR, on the basis it clouds over the daily brexit/borishunt debates
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 12, 2019 10:44:59 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48949073Nearly two-thirds of fans want VAR in the EFL I can't believe this is right. I hate VAR and I was under the impression most others did too! Anybody on here take part in this survey? There seem to be surveys for everything nowadays, yet no one I know has ever taken part...I am also convinced that they only publish the ones that match their own vies, like the BBC's licence fees for over 75's What's more there is often a presumption that what the majority votes for is correct and the minority opinion is wrong or counts for nothing. Whilst society supposedly becomes more "liberal" and inclusive, it is also becoming more intolerant to those views that do not match the current ethos. In fact matters are now extending to judging and pillorying historical figures for there actions and beliefs decades and centuries ago when the world's culture was entirely different. Once upon a time there was a little girl, Amy, who found a pound lying in the playground. She picked it up and asked her friends if it was their's and what she should do when they said it wasn't. Should she keep it, or hand it in to the teacher? She decided to hand it in to the teacher. Many of her friends mocked her for handing it in and said he should have kept it. So, when she got home she asked her mother what she should have done. Her mother assured her that she had done the right thing, but if she was still concerned, she should ask her teacher. Next day she asked her teacher whether she had done the right thing to hand it in or should she have kept it. The teacher addressed the class and posed the question to all the children and said they would take a vote on it. The majority voted that she should have kept it. The teacher turned to Amy and said "There Amy, you have your answer, you should have kept it". |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 12, 2019 11:24:19 GMT
So these two scenarios go to VAR, what do you think the outcomes will be.
can I see a reason not to give this goal for Man Utd ?
can I see a reason not to allow this goal against Man Utd?
Tricky isn't it? I think we all know the outcome. VAR will not be used to get the correct results and produce a fairer game, it will be used to ensure the will of the governing body is upheld.
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jul 13, 2019 10:38:50 GMT
Will be the death of football imo. As we saw from the cricket match the other day, it doesn't end wrong decisions. We will end up with a stop go mess like American Football, matches lasting for 3hours
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 13, 2019 10:49:26 GMT
Unfortunately it's being used to referee the games instead of the ref. Needs to be used only for contentious points
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Post by philb on Jul 13, 2019 10:53:50 GMT
Will be the death of football imo. As we saw from the cricket match the other day, it doesn't end wrong decisions. We will end up with a stop go mess like American Football, matches lasting for 3hours God, it’s been bad enough spending 2 hours in our a stadium these last few seasons. Just imagine adding another hour onto that 😳 (He says hoping that the good times are coming back ASAP) |
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Post by scfconnor on Jul 13, 2019 11:02:42 GMT
Unfortunately it's being used to referee the games instead of the ref. Needs to be used only for contentious points The ref has the final say. That's like saying the linesman is refereeing instead of the ref because he called an offside. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 13, 2019 15:07:21 GMT
It has diminished every sport it touches. I hate it, let human judgment--yes, even with blatant biases and errors--be the final say. Sadly, there is way too much money in the sports industry for it to ever get put back in the bottle...so rule makers, please figure out how to limit it.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 13, 2019 17:11:03 GMT
VAR sounds like a good idea but in reality it's the biggest load of shite ever introduced into football.
Get it in the bin. Spend the money on making referees better.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 13, 2019 18:32:49 GMT
VAR sounds like a good idea but in reality it's the biggest load of shite ever introduced into football. Get it in the bin. Spend the money on making referees better. Goal line technology......OK. Witnessing its use during the Women’s World Cup it (for me) sanitised the game beyond belief. “Horrible” although every supporter queries and questions a referees decision after a game it’s part and parcel of arguing in the pub, debating on social media etc. It will kill the game as we know it. One bonus is, it will help with the traffic management system at home games as supporters will be able to leave on 80, 90, 100 and 110 minutes. Can you imagine a night match that goes into extra time and penalties, you’ll need B&B.  |
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 13, 2019 21:14:27 GMT
On a Sunday evening, between 9 and 10 in slack bottom near Hebden Bridge Useless fact... Hebden Bridge is popular with the lesbian community. I think you're thinking of Biffin's Bridge. I am now anyway! |
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Post by right on Jul 13, 2019 21:31:16 GMT
I'm fine with VAR. Don't know why all the hatred. Probably the top teams will benefit the most, but I like that the calls are right.
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Post by prudhoe on Jul 14, 2019 12:10:54 GMT
I don't understand how any Stoke fan can be against VAR. No club has been fucked over by refs more than us when we were in the Premier League. And everyone of those games i'd of been happy if the game had been stopped for half an hour if it meant we got the right decision, and i didn't have to walk home with that horrible feeling in the stomach that we've been screwed over by officials.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 14, 2019 14:00:52 GMT
VAR is a good idea but it's not ready yet still too many delays and still shite decisions.
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Post by harveyworld on Jul 16, 2019 1:06:04 GMT
VAR sounds like a good idea but in reality it's the biggest load of shite ever introduced into football. Get it in the bin. Spend the money on making referees better. Goal line technology......OK. Witnessing its use during the Women’s World Cup it (for me) sanitised the game beyond belief. “Horrible” although every supporter queries and questions a referees decision after a game it’s part and parcel of arguing in the pub, debating on social media etc. It will kill the game as we know it. One bonus is, it will help with the traffic management system at home games as supporters will be able to leave on 80, 90, 100 and 110 minutes. Can you imagine a night match that goes into extra time and penalties, you’ll need B&B. I agree, I was also in support until I saw how it was being used at the Women's World Cup. The questioning of every goal by reviewing the lead up play was at times unbearable. However what really stuck in my mind was the constant scrutiny of the linesman with offside decisions. It sorts of makes the linesman redundant if all goals are going to be reviewed in this manner. Of course accuracy is key and we all want the right decision to be made - but the time taken to reach and communicate these decisions to the supporters just kills the games momentum in my opinion. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 16, 2019 2:25:16 GMT
VAR sounds like a good idea but in reality it's the biggest load of shite ever introduced into football. Get it in the bin. Spend the money on making referees better. It isn't just making referees better. That's a part of it but not the only issue. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 16, 2019 19:38:21 GMT
A survey of whom though? If it's armchair fans, then that doesn't count. You're not completely in the atmosphere of the game. The two most recent VAR things I've been (Nations league & Women's world cup) its ruining the matchday viewing. The problem being you can't celebrate a goal without fear of the ref touching their earpiece. I was all for VAR, but no more, I wish it would go away for good. It will be interesting what non armchair fans think of it in the Prem this year.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 16, 2019 19:46:50 GMT
VAR sounds like a good idea but in reality it's the biggest load of shite ever introduced into football. Get it in the bin. Spend the money on making referees better. Goal line technology......OK. Witnessing its use during the Women’s World Cup it (for me) sanitised the game beyond belief. “Horrible” although every supporter queries and questions a referees decision after a game it’s part and parcel of arguing in the pub, debating on social media etc. It will kill the game as we know it. One bonus is, it will help with the traffic management system at home games as supporters will be able to leave on 80, 90, 100 and 110 minutes. Can you imagine a night match that goes into extra time and penalties, you’ll need B&B. I think they will scrap extra time altogether from football soon. So instead of watching 30 minutes of players on a pitch you can have the pleasure of watching a ref looking at a monitor for 5 or 10 minutes 5 or 6 times a game. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 16, 2019 19:51:36 GMT
A survey of whom though? If it's armchair fans, then that doesn't count. You're not completely in the atmosphere of the game. The two most recent VAR things I've been (Nations league & Women's world cup) its ruining the matchday viewing. The problem being you can't celebrate a goal without fear of the ref touching their earpiece. I was all for VAR, but no more, I wish it would go away for good. It will be interesting what non armchair fans think of it in the Prem this year. Exactly, its ok watching VAR at home cause you can go for a shit or have a cup of tea and a walk around the garden while the refs making up his mind. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 16, 2019 21:38:32 GMT
A survey of whom though? If it's armchair fans, then that doesn't count. You're not completely in the atmosphere of the game. The two most recent VAR things I've been (Nations league & Women's world cup) its ruining the matchday viewing. The problem being you can't celebrate a goal without fear of the ref touching their earpiece. I was all for VAR, but no more, I wish it would go away for good. It will be interesting what non armchair fans think of it in the Prem this year. Exactly, its ok watching VAR at home cause you can go for a shit or have a cup of tea and a walk around the garden while the refs making up his mind. That's the other point, football isn't like cricket or rugby - it's an immediate much faster game. VAR puts and end to all of that. It's become a turgid decision based game - whilst we wait for the referee to jog over to the video screen. Football is all about mistakes, goalkeeper, defence, strikers and of course referees. VAR kills the natural and immediate nature of the game. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 16, 2019 21:49:50 GMT
Exactly, its ok watching VAR at home cause you can go for a shit or have a cup of tea and a walk around the garden while the refs making up his mind. That's the other point, football isn't like cricket or rugby - it's an immediate much faster game. VAR puts and end to all of that. It's become a turgid decision based game - whilst we wait for the referee to jog over to the video screen. Football is all about mistakes, goalkeeper, defence, strikers and of course referees. VAR kills the natural and immediate nature of the game. Players stopping the flow of the game (feigning injuries etc) has been one modern curse, now we have referees and VAR adding further obstacles to the momentum of a football match, faffing around on the side of the pitch watching a 3 second incident for 5 minutes from 10 different angles in about 5 different speeds until it becomes something it really wasn't. We are soon going to be pining for 60s, 70s style football where they just bloody got on with it instead of trying to dissect the whole thing all of the time. I think we have been brainwashed by saturation of banal TV coverage with all the action replays and unnecessary over-analysis. |
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