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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 10, 2021 8:27:44 GMT
Due primarily to the issue over the “alleged” comment made by the member of the royal family over the colour of the baby the majority of people have already made up their minds about the whole family being racist. There is no doubt if true of course it’s racist but there’s a few things that we need to think about before judging and taking the moral higher ground. 1- We don’t know who said it. 2- You can’t judge the whole family on one unknown persons comment. Isn’t that prejudice? 3- we don’t know the circumstances behind what was said. 4- the royal family haven’t commented yet 5- she “could” be lying. Isn’t the brave new world all about treating everyone equally and not pre judging or treating someone of the same colour, sexuality or gender as the same. For this to work it has to work both ways, On hearing the interview it sounds awful what Meghan and Harry’s been through but you can’t judge before the other side / perspectives been heard. For what it’s worth I do think it’s highly likely it was said. More than likely by one of the older members however that’s only based on the sort of comments Philip has made in the past so there is potential it could have been said. Doesn’t mean it was. From Harry’s reaction it was someone very close to him as he looked very emotional and upset when it came out. I’m not convinced that he was comfortable with it being bought into the worldwide environment as they’re still his family and he knew the impact it would have. It struck me that it’s maybe something he would have felt more comfortable dealing with privately. All said I’m interested to hear the other side before judging. How is asking what colour skin a baby will have racist? There's no prejudice or discrimination in that question is there.. I guess it’s all about the context and how it’s been interpreted by the offended person and this is why people shouldn’t judge until the above points are identified. Hats off to you for your comment if I’d said the same I’d be accused of racism and there lies the problem we’re checking every comment we’re making now because of fear of being accused. It shouldn’t be like that when someone’s making a rational point like you are but I’m sure there’ll be plenty hopping on and saying your this and that. I’ve had it for the last few months when trying to make what I believe are valid points.
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Post by Davef on Mar 10, 2021 8:32:39 GMT
Due primarily to the issue over the “alleged” comment made by the member of the royal family over the colour of the baby the majority of people have already made up their minds about the whole family being racist. There is no doubt if true of course it’s racist but there’s a few things that we need to think about before judging and taking the moral higher ground. 1- We don’t know who said it. 2- You can’t judge the whole family on one unknown persons comment. Isn’t that prejudice? 3- we don’t know the circumstances behind what was said. 4- the royal family haven’t commented yet 5- she “could” be lying. Isn’t the brave new world all about treating everyone equally and not pre judging or treating someone of the same colour, sexuality or gender as the same. For this to work it has to work both ways, On hearing the interview it sounds awful what Meghan and Harry’s been through but you can’t judge before the other side / perspectives been heard. For what it’s worth I do think it’s highly likely it was said. More than likely by one of the older members however that’s only based on the sort of comments Philip has made in the past so there is potential it could have been said. Doesn’t mean it was. From Harry’s reaction it was someone very close to him as he looked very emotional and upset when it came out. I’m not convinced that he was comfortable with it being bought into the worldwide environment as they’re still his family and he knew the impact it would have. It struck me that it’s maybe something he would have felt more comfortable dealing with privately. All said I’m interested to hear the other side before judging. How is asking what colour skin a baby will have racist? There's no prejudice or discrimination in that question is there.. I'd like to know what the royal who allegedly made these comments thought the baby of a mixed race woman and a white man was going to look like? Racist? Arguably. Thick as pig shit? Most definitely.
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Post by themistocles on Mar 10, 2021 8:36:46 GMT
How is asking what colour skin a baby will have racist? There's no prejudice or discrimination in that question is there.. I guess it’s all about the context and how it’s been interpreted by the offended person and this is why people shouldn’t judge until the above points are identified. Hats off to you for your comment if I’d said the same I’d be accused of racism and there lies the problem we’re checking every comment we’re making now because of fear of being accused. It shouldn’t be like that when someone’s making a rational point like you are but I’m sure there’ll be plenty hopping on and saying your this and that. I’ve had it for the last few months when trying to make what I believe are valid points. So we're at the mercy of what a person finds offensive.. I agree with the rest of your comment. I'm just holding onto the hope that social media isnt a representation of the wider society.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 10, 2021 8:43:25 GMT
I guess it’s all about the context and how it’s been interpreted by the offended person and this is why people shouldn’t judge until the above points are identified. Hats off to you for your comment if I’d said the same I’d be accused of racism and there lies the problem we’re checking every comment we’re making now because of fear of being accused. It shouldn’t be like that when someone’s making a rational point like you are but I’m sure there’ll be plenty hopping on and saying your this and that. I’ve had it for the last few months when trying to make what I believe are valid points. So we're at the mercy of what a person finds offensive.. I agree with the rest of your comment. I'm just holding onto the hope that social media isnt a representation of the wider society. It definitely isn't as a general rule. Although I would say it's a fairly accurate reflection for the under 35's.......
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Post by foster on Mar 10, 2021 8:45:28 GMT
She is though. God save the Queen. What has she ever done to you?... and have you done more for the country than she has? My point wasn't whether she is or she isn't - it was that even if she did something obviously outrageous then she would still have the support of large parts of the public. She's done nothing to me personally, but that's not really a judge of anyone's character is it? There's loads of terrible people that have done nothing to me personally (that's not to say she's a terrible person). As for what she's done for the country compared to me - she has the slight advantage of being born into immense wealth and into a position whose almost sole aim is to represent the country that she was born to rule. With that in mind, it's not a great surprise she may have done more for the country than me, is it? I know what you're saying. I just find it both needless and a little shameful to attack an old woman who's never done you, or anyone any particular harm. Again, why people seem to take issue with the Queen when there are plenty of actual terrible people out there is beyond me.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 10, 2021 8:58:18 GMT
My point wasn't whether she is or she isn't - it was that even if she did something obviously outrageous then she would still have the support of large parts of the public. She's done nothing to me personally, but that's not really a judge of anyone's character is it? There's loads of terrible people that have done nothing to me personally (that's not to say she's a terrible person). As for what she's done for the country compared to me - she has the slight advantage of being born into immense wealth and into a position whose almost sole aim is to represent the country that she was born to rule. With that in mind, it's not a great surprise she may have done more for the country than me, is it? I know what you're saying. I just find it both needless and a little shameful to attack an old woman who's never done you, or anyone any particular harm. Again, why people seem to take issue with the Queen when there are plenty of actual terrible people out there is beyond me. There's not that many people attacking the Queen herself (on this board at least - I'm sure on social media it's different) but questioning what the point of the Royal Family is and whether we should have them. I've no idea if the Queen is an absolute dickhead or a perfectly nice woman. I doubt we've ever seen a single second of her true personality, and I doubt we ever will. My opposition to having a Royal Family is how unaccountable they are. They are absolutely untouchable in a lot people's eyes and have incredible wealth - wealth with no accountability normally produces a system wide open for abuse.
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Post by foster on Mar 10, 2021 9:06:53 GMT
I know what you're saying. I just find it both needless and a little shameful to attack an old woman who's never done you, or anyone any particular harm. Again, why people seem to take issue with the Queen when there are plenty of actual terrible people out there is beyond me. There's not that many people attacking the Queen herself (on this board at least - I'm sure on social media it's different) but questioning what the point of the Royal Family is and whether we should have them. I've no idea if the Queen is an absolute dickhead or a perfectly nice woman. I doubt we've ever seen a single second of her true personality, and I doubt we ever will. My opposition to having a Royal Family is how unaccountable they are. They are absolutely untouchable in a lot people's eyes and have incredible wealth - wealth with no accountability normally produces a system wide open for abuse. Couldn't care less about the extended family of royals, but in relation to the Queen herself, having your entire life mapped out and planned for you isn't something most people would want for themselves. Wealth or no wealth.
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Post by redstriper on Mar 10, 2021 9:08:06 GMT
Hollywood celebs were bound to come out in support of Meghan, they seem themselves as the US version of royalty and are treated as such by much of the population. Hence any alleged mistreatment of one of their own is going to outrage them. The possibly that she is a conniving self publicist intent on getting everything her own way will be lost on them, because that's how they all are.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 10, 2021 9:10:08 GMT
I know what you're saying. I just find it both needless and a little shameful to attack an old woman who's never done you, or anyone any particular harm. Again, why people seem to take issue with the Queen when there are plenty of actual terrible people out there is beyond me. There's not that many people attacking the Queen herself (on this board at least - I'm sure on social media it's different) but questioning what the point of the Royal Family is and whether we should have them. I've no idea if the Queen is an absolute dickhead or a perfectly nice woman. I doubt we've ever seen a single second of her true personality, and I doubt we ever will. My opposition to having a Royal Family is how unaccountable they are. They are absolutely untouchable in a lot people's eyes and have incredible wealth - wealth with no accountability normally produces a system wide open for abuse. Spot on, there isn't a single person on this board who has spent anywhere near enough time (if any at all) with any member of the royal family in private to have any inclination of what they're actually like. In which case, it's all just assumptions based on what they've read in the media and press, which is 99% sycophantically gushing and uncritical. Anyone who doesn't think that's the case should compare and contrast the photos that are used of the royal family (invariably smiling or noble) with those that are used of the targets of press criticism (looking weird eating a bacon sandwich, etc). So, all of the comments about the persons themselves are just assumptions. I don't think anybody who dislikes the concept of a royal family with automatic birthrights to privilege, wealth and unquestioning deference is especially bothered either way about what the individuals are like, I know I'm not. They could be the "most charming motherfucking pigs" in history or the most in-bred, obnoxious arseholes for all I care. It's the institution that is archaic and out-dated and should be abolished, or at the very least enormously reduced in significance.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 10, 2021 9:10:17 GMT
There's not that many people attacking the Queen herself (on this board at least - I'm sure on social media it's different) but questioning what the point of the Royal Family is and whether we should have them. I've no idea if the Queen is an absolute dickhead or a perfectly nice woman. I doubt we've ever seen a single second of her true personality, and I doubt we ever will. My opposition to having a Royal Family is how unaccountable they are. They are absolutely untouchable in a lot people's eyes and have incredible wealth - wealth with no accountability normally produces a system wide open for abuse. Couldn't care less about the extended family of royals, but in relation to the Queen herself, having your entire life mapped out and planned for you isn't something most people would want for themselves. Wealth or no wealth. I completely agree, so let's free the family off to join society to live their own lives funded by their own income like the rest of us........
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Post by foster on Mar 10, 2021 9:14:25 GMT
Couldn't care less about the extended family of royals, but in relation to the Queen herself, having your entire life mapped out and planned for you isn't something most people would want for themselves. Wealth or no wealth. I completely agree, so let's free the family off to join society to live their own lives funded by their own income like the rest of us........ The extended family, fine by me.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 10, 2021 9:24:29 GMT
I guess it’s all about the context and how it’s been interpreted by the offended person and this is why people shouldn’t judge until the above points are identified. Hats off to you for your comment if I’d said the same I’d be accused of racism and there lies the problem we’re checking every comment we’re making now because of fear of being accused. It shouldn’t be like that when someone’s making a rational point like you are but I’m sure there’ll be plenty hopping on and saying your this and that. I’ve had it for the last few months when trying to make what I believe are valid points. So we're at the mercy of what a person finds offensive.. I agree with the rest of your comment. I'm just holding onto the hope that social media isnt a representation of the wider society. I don’t think you’d have been asking that question a year ago. Whether that’s good or bad who knows. I think it’s a bit of both to be honest. One things for sure I don’t think the countries ever been so split on pretty much everything which has been heightened by Covid and the stress that’s created.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 10, 2021 9:33:16 GMT
the Chinese, a great bunch of lads Great food bats, rats, cats and dogs
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 10, 2021 9:38:54 GMT
There's not that many people attacking the Queen herself (on this board at least - I'm sure on social media it's different) but questioning what the point of the Royal Family is and whether we should have them. I've no idea if the Queen is an absolute dickhead or a perfectly nice woman. I doubt we've ever seen a single second of her true personality, and I doubt we ever will. My opposition to having a Royal Family is how unaccountable they are. They are absolutely untouchable in a lot people's eyes and have incredible wealth - wealth with no accountability normally produces a system wide open for abuse. Spot on, there isn't a single person on this board who has spent anywhere near enough time (if any at all) with any member of the royal family in private to have any inclination of what they're actually like. In which case, it's all just assumptions based on what they've read in the media and press, which is 99% sycophantically gushing and uncritical. Anyone who doesn't think that's the case should compare and contrast the photos that are used of the royal family (invariably smiling or noble) with those that are used of the targets of press criticism (looking weird eating a bacon sandwich, etc). So, all of the comments about the persons themselves are just assumptions. I don't think anybody who dislikes the concept of a royal family with automatic birthrights to privilege, wealth and unquestioning deference is especially bothered either way about what the individuals are like, I know I'm not. They could be the "most charming motherfucking pigs" in history or the most in-bred, obnoxious arseholes for all I care. It's the institution that is archaic and out-dated and should be abolished, or at the very least enormously reduced in significance. Wow you didn't mention Brexit in that post your recovery process has finally started, good luck
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Post by thisisouryear on Mar 10, 2021 9:40:08 GMT
How is asking what colour skin a baby will have racist? There's no prejudice or discrimination in that question is there.. I'd like to know what the royal who allegedly made these comments thought the baby of a mixed race woman and a white man was going to look like? Racist? Arguably. Thick as pig shit? Most definitely. Why can't the comments have come from the church?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2021 10:06:06 GMT
This communication, for me, pours petrol onto the fire of both camps. The first statement, "The whole family is saddened................", can be seen as genuine sympathy, a piss take, or that the Royals have had their heads buried in the sand for 2 years. The second statement regarding race issues and varied recollections could be trying to say that there is a gulf between the understanding of what is sometimes said by natives of England and what is then understood by Americans. The question of the babies colour could easily have been a harmless passing comment by a family member in conversation with Harry, but when he repeated this to Megan it would be taken in a different context. Finally signing the communication with ENDS looks like a big fuck off pill. Just my opinion but wait with eager anticipation how this saga unfolds in The Crown series. I think the statement is a big fuck off put up or shut up, no one doubts they were unhappy and they are within their right to live their lifes as they wish the racism I am sure something was said but the context is vital if they like many people do discuss whether the baby has ginger hair or black, mum or dads ears or nose etc and then discuss skin tone as part of that I dont see that as anything other than conversations families around the whole country has if however the comment is something like I hope the baby doesn't have mums skin colour or such like thats a whole different thing even if most people woukd probably never identify meaghan as an african american in a blind test. Personally the fact they have made up a false narrative about archie not being a prince or getting protection once they take him out of the royal family and tried to link this to it being about race I tend to think its more likely to be the first scenario but time will tell.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 10, 2021 10:13:29 GMT
bats, rats, cats and dogs 😂😂
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 10, 2021 10:39:42 GMT
When my cousin married a Chinese lad and went on to have four kids they were all different as in the girls looked more English but the boys looked more like there father , personally as long as a baby is healthy does it really matter what colour it is The obvious answer is that for most people no it doesn't. For a highly vocal minority, clearly it does, including many in our estimable press. Absolutely in this country skin colour doesn’t matter for the vast majority of us. But in the USA racism and racial tension is rife isn’t it? Hence possibly why BLM holds more prominence over the pond than here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:39:14 GMT
It isn't obvious at all what colour the child will be as someone claimed above. Whilst I agree it's not important it also isn't racist to ask the question. It's been known for twins to to be different colors with mixed couples. Children of white/Asian couples can take more after one parent. Another case of trying to find racism where it doesn't exist which seems far too common.
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Post by themistocles on Mar 10, 2021 14:48:12 GMT
We now live in a world where a person can lie and discredit someone, but because of her complaining of her mental health no person can challenge what she has said..
Dogshit society
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:51:04 GMT
We now live in a world where a person can lie and discredit someone, but because of her complaining of her mental health no person can challenge what she has said.. Dogshit society Spot on. Gold star your way
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 11, 2021 16:02:54 GMT
Some idiot trying to make a name for himself www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56360671There’s a time and place to ask such a question not on a visit to a junior School
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 11, 2021 17:13:10 GMT
Hollywood celebs were bound to come out in support of Meghan, they seem themselves as the US version of royalty and are treated as such by much of the population. Hence any alleged mistreatment of one of their own is going to outrage them. The possibly that she is a conniving self publicist intent on getting everything her own way will be lost on them, because that's how they all are.
Which is of course completely different to the Royal Family isn't it? They're the shy, retiring paragons of virtue who are busy attacking actresses whilst shielding one of their own from accusations that are thousands of times worse than anything she has ever done to anyone and using the media to do so, as they've used them for generations. That seems to have been ENTIRELY lost on you.
But yeah....it's the actress that most had never heard of before she met Harry that's the problem. Good to see you have a sense of perspective when trying to decide on what are really important matters in life.
Funny thing is that most of what she said re: the way the media are shithouses and the way there is too much control over people's lives when you become a Royal, is pretty much exactly what another famous Royal wife said a couple of decades ago.....most seemed to back her when she said it, in fact the general public pretty much worshipped her (and still do) for standing up to them, yet they not only completely dismiss it when it's said now by someone else, they actually attack the person for saying it. Weird eh!
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Post by redstriper on Mar 11, 2021 17:26:33 GMT
Hollywood celebs were bound to come out in support of Meghan, they seem themselves as the US version of royalty and are treated as such by much of the population. Hence any alleged mistreatment of one of their own is going to outrage them. The possibly that she is a conniving self publicist intent on getting everything her own way will be lost on them, because that's how they all are. Which is of course completely different to the Royal Family isn't it? They're the shy, retiring paragons of virtue who are busy attacking actresses whilst shielding one of their own from accusations that are thousands of times worse than anything she has ever done to anyone and using the media to do so, as they've used them for generations. That seems to have been ENTIRELY lost on you.
But yeah....it's the actress that most had never heard of before she met Harry that's the problem. Good to see you have a sense of perspective when trying to decide on what are really important matters in life. Funny thing is that most of what she said re: the way the media are shithouses and the way there is too much control over people's lives when you become a Royal, is pretty much exactly what another famous Royal wife said a couple of decades ago.....most seemed to back her when she said it, in fact the general public pretty much worshipped her (and still do) for standing up to them, yet they not only completely dismiss it when it's said now by someone else, they actually attack the person for saying it. Weird eh!
You obviously can't see the hypocrisy in complaining about the media and yet constantly using the media to make your argument and for your own ends. And by the way, using big capitals doesn't make you right or your opinion any more valid than anybody elses, most people get over doing that by senior school....
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 11, 2021 17:47:11 GMT
Which is of course completely different to the Royal Family isn't it? They're the shy, retiring paragons of virtue who are busy attacking actresses whilst shielding one of their own from accusations that are thousands of times worse than anything she has ever done to anyone and using the media to do so, as they've used them for generations. That seems to have been ENTIRELY lost on you.
But yeah....it's the actress that most had never heard of before she met Harry that's the problem. Good to see you have a sense of perspective when trying to decide on what are really important matters in life. Funny thing is that most of what she said re: the way the media are shithouses and the way there is too much control over people's lives when you become a Royal, is pretty much exactly what another famous Royal wife said a couple of decades ago.....most seemed to back her when she said it, in fact the general public pretty much worshipped her (and still do) for standing up to them, yet they not only completely dismiss it when it's said now by someone else, they actually attack the person for saying it. Weird eh!
You obviously can't see the hypocrisy in complaining about the media and yet constantly using the media to make your argument and for your own ends. And by the way, using big capitals doesn't make you right or your opinion any more valid than anybody elses, most people get over doing that by senior school.... Again, as the Royal family have done for generations, which you somehow haven't spotted. Fucking brainless P.S. the point of highlighting words is for emphasis or to indicate which part of your quote i'm referring to (depending on when it's used, as it can be for either purpose). It isn't used by people to prove they're right. FFS you don't even know the point of that...as i said, fucking brainless
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 17:50:03 GMT
Shows with social media etc how one person's comments with no substance can cause so much damage. Obviously none of us know the facts but doesn't stop many forming firm opinions
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Post by musik on Mar 11, 2021 17:57:50 GMT
The obvious answer is that for most people no it doesn't. For a highly vocal minority, clearly it does, including many in our estimable press. Absolutely in this country skin colour doesn’t matter for the vast majority of us. But in the USA racism and racial tension is rife isn’t it? Hence possibly why BLM holds more prominence over the pond than here. I'm from the land up north with all the pale colourless people. I haven't followed the Harry&Meghan drama. Hardly no reports here in Zombieland. Question though: aren't they both white people? She looks absolutely lovely, but I don't know them of course ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 18:11:03 GMT
Absolutely in this country skin colour doesn’t matter for the vast majority of us. But in the USA racism and racial tension is rife isn’t it? Hence possibly why BLM holds more prominence over the pond than here. I'm from the land up north with all the pale colourless people. I haven't followed the Harry&Meghan drama. Hardly no reports here in Zombieland. Question though: aren't they both white people? She looks absolutely lovely, but I don't know them of course ... She looks great I agree.I never noticed either to be fair but something she's made quite an issue about , even on her early acting profiles. Why it matters I don't know
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Post by redstriper on Mar 11, 2021 18:12:29 GMT
You obviously can't see the hypocrisy in complaining about the media and yet constantly using the media to make your argument and for your own ends. And by the way, using big capitals doesn't make you right or your opinion any more valid than anybody elses, most people get over doing that by senior school.... Again, as the Royal family have done for generations, which you somehow haven't spotted. Fucking brainless P.S. the point of highlighting words is for emphasis or to indicate which part of your quote i'm referring to (depending on when it's used, as it can be for either purpose). It isn't used by people to prove they're right. FFS you don't even know the point of that...as i said, fucking brainless Why are you so aggressive and intolerant of anybody else having an opinion ?.... i think you have issues... Furthermore, I wasn't referring to your use of them to highlight what I'd said, i was referring to your use of "ENTIRELY"... now who looks clueless eh ???
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 11, 2021 18:23:48 GMT
Both parties have made allegations which are (so far) unproven either way.
But that doesn't stop those who view the world through the prism of identity politics of being certain of who's right and wrong.
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