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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 18:38:41 GMT
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Post by Davef on Mar 9, 2021 19:01:10 GMT
I've been amazed how many US celebrities and others have come out criticising and damning the monarchy. Don't they realise they've only heard one side of the "story". I think a lot of people are nailing their colours to the mast wayyyyyyyy too early. Lets see what is said or happens over the next few days or weeks before anyone jumps to any conclusions. As someone said earlier in the thread its like a trial where you have only heard the prosecution's story and are basing the verdict on that alone. "I knew nothing about the Royal Family before I met my husband." "I knew Eugenie before I met Harry." The prosecution rests m'lud.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 9, 2021 19:13:32 GMT
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 9, 2021 19:19:56 GMT
I've been amazed how many US celebrities and others have come out criticising and damning the monarchy. Don't they realise they've only heard one side of the "story". I think a lot of people are nailing their colours to the mast wayyyyyyyy too early. Lets see what is said or happens over the next few days or weeks before anyone jumps to any conclusions. As someone said earlier in the thread its like a trial where you have only heard the prosecution's story and are basing the verdict on that alone. "I knew nothing about the Royal Family before I met my husband." "I knew Eugenie before I met Harry." The prosecution rests m'lud. Doesn't mean you'd understand the inner workings of the royal family just because you knew one of them to be fair. I thought she explained that pretty well, she kind of expected them to be like celebrities. She was also very honest in admitting she was very naive going into it all.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 9, 2021 19:24:11 GMT
one minute she says "the firm" were too controlling the next they didn't tell her the words to the national anthem or how to cross her legs etc , so im confused, was she controlled or neglected, which is it meg ? make your mind up. The question is: who is more credible? A lady who took over the throne at 27 and has served the commonwealth and her fellow man with dignity and shown strength in times of severe crisis or a woman who is 5 minutes on the scene? Dont know anything about Meghan Markle but no doubt someone will put me in my place. If she genuinely is a 'good fit'( whatever that is) for Harry then fair play Harry just seems to get the shitty end of the stick whichever way he goes.
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Post by franklin on Mar 9, 2021 19:25:46 GMT
I've been amazed how many US celebrities and others have come out criticising and damning the monarchy. Don't they realise they've only heard one side of the "story". I think a lot of people are nailing their colours to the mast wayyyyyyyy too early. Lets see what is said or happens over the next few days or weeks before anyone jumps to any conclusions. As someone said earlier in the thread its like a trial where you have only heard the prosecution's story and are basing the verdict on that alone. "I knew nothing about the Royal Family before I met my husband." "I knew Eugenie before I met Harry." The prosecution rests m'lud. Add the bit where Tyler Perry gave them a house and paid for security and who mentored Perry none other than the host who made a point of her not paying them for the interview no your bezzie Tyler did.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 9, 2021 19:27:06 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 20:10:00 GMT
I've been amazed how many US celebrities and others have come out criticising and damning the monarchy. Don't they realise they've only heard one side of the "story". I think a lot of people are nailing their colours to the mast wayyyyyyyy too early. Lets see what is said or happens over the next few days or weeks before anyone jumps to any conclusions. As someone said earlier in the thread its like a trial where you have only heard the prosecution's story and are basing the verdict on that alone. "I knew nothing about the Royal Family before I met my husband." "I knew Eugenie before I met Harry." The prosecution rests m'lud. The tears story has already been discredited too, in her book written by friends and proof read by her publicist it states there were no tears from anyone now it was her reduced to tears.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 21:11:08 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 9, 2021 22:08:07 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country".
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 22:17:04 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country". Exactly. Is anybody remotely surprised by such a result?! Same as Trump saying he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters would still support him.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 9, 2021 22:17:27 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country". She wouldn't shit in the mouth of a corgi puppy of course.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 22:20:37 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country". You know I think it was like a joke but crack on
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 9, 2021 22:22:34 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country". You know I think it was like a joke but crack on It wasn't a joke: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/09/brits-support-queen-harry-meghan-yougov-survey-finds/
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 22:29:58 GMT
Of course they do. If 99% of everything that's ever published about the Queen and most of the royal family is deferential, unquestioningly sycophantic puff pieces which are not much more than PR for them, surprise surprise that'll have some impact on what people think about them.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 9, 2021 22:33:32 GMT
Thing is the interview was all opinion and conjecture designed to garner sympathy more from the Americans. Until they prove otherwise nothing was really new and carefully worded accusations that may or may not be out of context dont look good. They need the us public on their side for their income and celebrity life over there. The interview was designed to help that regardless of the consequences over here. One day he might regret it. She gets a list status for life. Privacy and a quiet life indeed. It won’t be long before the inquirer comes after them
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 23:34:22 GMT
Pretty sure 33:20 isn't a 200 seat majority and besides it was an opinion poll not a parliamentary election which was kinda of the joke.....
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 23:45:34 GMT
Thing is the interview was all opinion and conjecture designed to garner sympathy more from the Americans. Until they prove otherwise nothing was really new and carefully worded accusations that may or may not be out of context dont look good. They need the us public on their side for their income and celebrity life over there. The interview was designed to help that regardless of the consequences over here. One day he might regret it. She gets a list status for life. Privacy and a quiet life indeed. It won’t be long before the inquirer comes after them And plenty of the story has already fallen apart which has to make you wonder why you would need to bullshit if things were so terrible.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 9, 2021 23:50:37 GMT
Thing is the interview was all opinion and conjecture designed to garner sympathy more from the Americans. Until they prove otherwise nothing was really new and carefully worded accusations that may or may not be out of context dont look good. They need the us public on their side for their income and celebrity life over there. The interview was designed to help that regardless of the consequences over here. One day he might regret it. She gets a list status for life. Privacy and a quiet life indeed. It won’t be long before the inquirer comes after them For sure they'll have their own aims and objectives for doing the interview - probably not all of them in the interest of being completely truthful. The same goes for whatever PR guff the Royal Family will be coming out with over the next weeks. The truth almost certainly lies somewhere in the middle.
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Post by foster on Mar 10, 2021 0:06:03 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country". She is though. God save the Queen. What has she ever done to you?... and have you done more for the country than she has?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 10, 2021 3:49:39 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country". A puppy, being a dog, would probably quite like that tbh
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 10, 2021 6:14:43 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country". It wouldn’t be a black puppy tho as BPM
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 10, 2021 6:51:24 GMT
This communication, for me, pours petrol onto the fire of both camps. The first statement, "The whole family is saddened................", can be seen as genuine sympathy, a piss take, or that the Royals have had their heads buried in the sand for 2 years. The second statement regarding race issues and varied recollections could be trying to say that there is a gulf between the understanding of what is sometimes said by natives of England and what is then understood by Americans. The question of the babies colour could easily have been a harmless passing comment by a family member in conversation with Harry, but when he repeated this to Megan it would be taken in a different context. Finally signing the communication with ENDS looks like a big fuck off pill. Just my opinion but wait with eager anticipation how this saga unfolds in The Crown series.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 10, 2021 7:22:24 GMT
This communication, for me, pours petrol onto the fire of both camps. The first statement, "The whole family is saddened................", can be seen as genuine sympathy, a piss take, or that the Royals have had their heads buried in the sand for 2 years. The second statement regarding race issues and varied recollections could be trying to say that there is a gulf between the understanding of what is sometimes said by natives of England and what is then understood by Americans. The question of the babies colour could easily have been a harmless passing comment by a family member in conversation with Harry, but when he repeated this to Megan it would be taken in a different context. Finally signing the communication with ENDS looks like a big fuck off pill. Just my opinion but wait with eager anticipation how this saga unfolds in The Crown series. When my cousin married a Chinese lad and went on to have four kids they were all different as in the girls looked more English but the boys looked more like there father , personally as long as a baby is healthy does it really matter what colour it is
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 7:27:53 GMT
This communication, for me, pours petrol onto the fire of both camps. The first statement, "The whole family is saddened................", can be seen as genuine sympathy, a piss take, or that the Royals have had their heads buried in the sand for 2 years. The second statement regarding race issues and varied recollections could be trying to say that there is a gulf between the understanding of what is sometimes said by natives of England and what is then understood by Americans. The question of the babies colour could easily have been a harmless passing comment by a family member in conversation with Harry, but when he repeated this to Megan it would be taken in a different context. Finally signing the communication with ENDS looks like a big fuck off pill. Just my opinion but wait with eager anticipation how this saga unfolds in The Crown series. When my cousin married a Chinese lad and went on to have four kids they were all different as in the girls looked more English but the boys looked more like there father , personally as long as a baby is healthy does it really matter what colour it is the Chinese, a great bunch of lads
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 10, 2021 7:31:21 GMT
This communication, for me, pours petrol onto the fire of both camps. The first statement, "The whole family is saddened................", can be seen as genuine sympathy, a piss take, or that the Royals have had their heads buried in the sand for 2 years. The second statement regarding race issues and varied recollections could be trying to say that there is a gulf between the understanding of what is sometimes said by natives of England and what is then understood by Americans. The question of the babies colour could easily have been a harmless passing comment by a family member in conversation with Harry, but when he repeated this to Megan it would be taken in a different context. Finally signing the communication with ENDS looks like a big fuck off pill. Just my opinion but wait with eager anticipation how this saga unfolds in The Crown series. When my cousin married a Chinese lad and went on to have four kids they were all different as in the girls looked more English but the boys looked more like there father , personally as long as a baby is healthy does it really matter what colour it is The obvious answer is that for most people no it doesn't. For a highly vocal minority, clearly it does, including many in our estimable press.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 10, 2021 7:38:22 GMT
When my cousin married a Chinese lad and went on to have four kids they were all different as in the girls looked more English but the boys looked more like there father , personally as long as a baby is healthy does it really matter what colour it is the Chinese, a great bunch of lads Great food
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 10, 2021 7:49:07 GMT
"I knew nothing about the Royal Family before I met my husband." "I knew Eugenie before I met Harry." The prosecution rests m'lud. Add the bit where Tyler Perry gave them a house and paid for security and who mentored Perry none other than the host who made a point of her not paying them for the interview no your bezzie Tyler did. Due primarily to the issue over the “alleged” comment made by the member of the royal family over the colour of the baby the majority of people have already made up their minds about the whole family being racist. There is no doubt if true of course it’s racist but there’s a few things that we need to think about before judging and taking the moral higher ground. 1- We don’t know who said it. 2- You can’t judge the whole family on one unknown persons comment. Isn’t that prejudice? 3- we don’t know the circumstances behind what was said. 4- the royal family haven’t commented yet 5- she “could” be lying. Isn’t the brave new world all about treating everyone equally and not pre judging or treating someone of the same colour, sexuality or gender as the same. For this to work it has to work both ways, On hearing the interview it sounds awful what Meghan and Harry’s been through but you can’t judge before the other side / perspectives been heard. For what it’s worth I do think it’s highly likely it was said. More than likely by one of the older members however that’s only based on the sort of comments Philip has made in the past so there is potential it could have been said. Doesn’t mean it was. From Harry’s reaction it was someone very close to him as he looked very emotional and upset when it came out. I’m not convinced that he was comfortable with it being bought into the worldwide environment as they’re still his family and he knew the impact it would have. It struck me that it’s maybe something he would have felt more comfortable dealing with privately. All said I’m interested to hear the other side before judging.
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Post by themistocles on Mar 10, 2021 8:01:57 GMT
Add the bit where Tyler Perry gave them a house and paid for security and who mentored Perry none other than the host who made a point of her not paying them for the interview no your bezzie Tyler did. Due primarily to the issue over the “alleged” comment made by the member of the royal family over the colour of the baby the majority of people have already made up their minds about the whole family being racist. There is no doubt if true of course it’s racist but there’s a few things that we need to think about before judging and taking the moral higher ground. 1- We don’t know who said it. 2- You can’t judge the whole family on one unknown persons comment. Isn’t that prejudice? 3- we don’t know the circumstances behind what was said. 4- the royal family haven’t commented yet 5- she “could” be lying. Isn’t the brave new world all about treating everyone equally and not pre judging or treating someone of the same colour, sexuality or gender as the same. For this to work it has to work both ways, On hearing the interview it sounds awful what Meghan and Harry’s been through but you can’t judge before the other side / perspectives been heard. For what it’s worth I do think it’s highly likely it was said. More than likely by one of the older members however that’s only based on the sort of comments Philip has made in the past so there is potential it could have been said. Doesn’t mean it was. From Harry’s reaction it was someone very close to him as he looked very emotional and upset when it came out. I’m not convinced that he was comfortable with it being bought into the worldwide environment as they’re still his family and he knew the impact it would have. It struck me that it’s maybe something he would have felt more comfortable dealing with privately. All said I’m interested to hear the other side before judging. How is asking what colour skin a baby will have racist? There's no prejudice or discrimination in that question is there..
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 10, 2021 8:23:51 GMT
Well that's the least surprising poll result of all time. The Queen could shit in the mouth of a newborn puppy and there'd still be large swathes of middle class England that would trot out the same old "I just think she's wonderfully strong person, and to think she's been doing that job for so long - she's a credit to the country". She is though. God save the Queen. What has she ever done to you?... and have you done more for the country than she has? My point wasn't whether she is or she isn't - it was that even if she did something obviously outrageous then she would still have the support of large parts of the public. She's done nothing to me personally, but that's not really a judge of anyone's character is it? There's loads of terrible people that have done nothing to me personally (that's not to say she's a terrible person). As for what she's done for the country compared to me - she has the slight advantage of being born into immense wealth and into a position whose almost sole aim is to represent the country that she was born to rule. With that in mind, it's not a great surprise she may have done more for the country than me, is it?
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