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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 23:10:06 GMT
It isn’t a good solid team. No left back, a makeshift DM, an average goal keeper, two of the slowest strikers you could possibly find and a basket case at No.10 who will probably spend half the season injured. It’s absolutely horrendous. The cost is irrelevant. Another one who has said before they have kicked a ball that they aren't a solid team before they have kicked a ball together, now I'm not saying they are but give them a fucking chance. You haven't even seen them play together yet you numpty. You don’t have to se them play together to know that having no left back a make shift DM and two of the slowest strikers won’t be good together. I don’t know how anyone in their right mind thinks that team looks good or any better than what we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 23:13:35 GMT
Youve focussed incorrectly on the words expensive and cheap when in fact the only common denominator is the word "shite". Davies is massive step down from Butland. Lindsay is neither here nor there. Bang average pedigree, no better than what we have. Cousins...man alive. Released by Charlton and now released by QPR. Say no more. Gregory. If he was 25 I'd be happy. At best we will get 2 seasons out of him. The grass grows quicker than he runs. Powell. Nope nope and a thousand times nope. Injury prone League One player. It's fucking awful business. Truly awful. Cheap doesn't have to equal shite. Expensive doesn't have too either....unfortunately at Stoke it's a prerequisite. There is not a fan alive who thinks they are any better than what we have, many are worse. As I said to bayern last night I will wait to see them play for us before passing judgement but honestly who out of the Sheffield United and Norwich teams last year would you have swapped for any of our players at the start of the season? Without hindsight very few I would say. I bow to your extensive knowledge of all the players we have signed you clearly have seen alot of them, I havnt so I'll wait before I see them before bitching on the oatcake about how shit they are 👍 Im afraid their club careers speak for themselves....Lindsay aside who is the only one who might prove worthwhile, but he could equally be shite in a side littered with centre halfs. Davies - released by Everton and Wednesday. Free transfer from Barnsley. Cousins - released by Charlton and QPR. Powell - done well in League One and nowhere else. Gregory - will get two years out of him, with maybe 20 goals at a push. Great! Watch em all you want. They aint going be any better than we already have.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 25, 2019 23:14:39 GMT
Another one who has said before they have kicked a ball that they aren't a solid team before they have kicked a ball together, now I'm not saying they are but give them a fucking chance. You haven't even seen them play together yet you numpty. You don’t have to se them play together to know that having no left back a make shift DM and two of the slowest strikers won’t be good together. Have not said we don't need a left back we clearly do bud, it's just the blasting of the players who have just signed before they have kicked a ball for our club that does my nut in. Whos to say we arnt looking at a more mobile striker or thinking Campbell is ready? Just saying I'd rather be positive about things its bad enough the last few years without thd negativity on here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 23:16:01 GMT
You don’t have to se them play together to know that having no left back a make shift DM and two of the slowest strikers won’t be good together. Have not said we don't need a left back we clearly do bud, it's just the blasting of the players who have just signed before they have kicked a ball for our club that does my nut in. Whos to say we arnt looking at a more mobile striker or thinking Campbell is ready? Just saying I'd rather be positive about things its bad enough the last few years without thd negativity on here. It was the total ignorance of the club to that negativity that got us here in the first place.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 25, 2019 23:17:02 GMT
As I said to bayern last night I will wait to see them play for us before passing judgement but honestly who out of the Sheffield United and Norwich teams last year would you have swapped for any of our players at the start of the season? Without hindsight very few I would say. I bow to your extensive knowledge of all the players we have signed you clearly have seen alot of them, I havnt so I'll wait before I see them before bitching on the oatcake about how shit they are 👍 Im afraid their club careers speak for themselves....Lindsay aside who is the only one who might prove worthwhile, but he could equally be shite in a side littered with centre halfs. Davies - released by Everton and Wednesday. Free transfer from Barnsley. Cousins - released by Charlton and QPR. Powell - done well in League One and nowhere else. Gregory - will get two years out of him, with maybe 20 goals at a push. Great! Watch em all you want. They aint going be any better than we already have. wiki or Google for the insight? I'll watch them for Stoke if it's OK with you mate and I'll make my own judgement hopefully they do well and you will go very quiet on here because you obviously don't want them to do well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 23:18:03 GMT
And we are moving on in Jones' words, "the fans favourite", for this absolute shite. He'll be fighting a losing battle after 15-20 games as Ole Ole Ole Ole Bojan rings out in front of 15000 on a cold wet Wednesday night People do seem to buy it though. But agreed if he carries on like he did last season then he’s got no chance. He was just so bad. The warnings were there with the Shrewsbury defeat but we let him off. The same mistakes he’d make again and again and again. He showed absolutely nothing to suggest he has a clue what he’s doing. And if it’s just the diamond, is it good having such a one dimensional manager? I just can't see him changing. The performance we put in away at Derby last season was the worst performance by any Stoke side for I reckon 15 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 23:19:54 GMT
Im afraid their club careers speak for themselves....Lindsay aside who is the only one who might prove worthwhile, but he could equally be shite in a side littered with centre halfs. Davies - released by Everton and Wednesday. Free transfer from Barnsley. Cousins - released by Charlton and QPR. Powell - done well in League One and nowhere else. Gregory - will get two years out of him, with maybe 20 goals at a push. Great! Watch em all you want. They aint going be any better than we already have. wiki or Google for the insight? I'll watch them for Stoke if it's OK with you mate and I'll make my own judgement hopefully they do well and you will go very quiet on here because you obviously don't want them to do well. I want them to do well as much as I want to win the Euromillions. Im just accepting of the fact neither will happen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2019 23:21:07 GMT
People do seem to buy it though. But agreed if he carries on like he did last season then he’s got no chance. He was just so bad. The warnings were there with the Shrewsbury defeat but we let him off. The same mistakes he’d make again and again and again. He showed absolutely nothing to suggest he has a clue what he’s doing. And if it’s just the diamond, is it good having such a one dimensional manager? I just can't see him changing. The performance we put in away at Derby last season was the worst performance by any Stoke side for I reckon 15 years. He showed nothing to suggest he knows what he’s doing that’s for sure. Just got to hope it was one of those things but he was terrible.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 25, 2019 23:22:34 GMT
wiki or Google for the insight? I'll watch them for Stoke if it's OK with you mate and I'll make my own judgement hopefully they do well and you will go very quiet on here because you obviously don't want them to do well. I want them to do well as much as I want to win the Euromillions. Im just accepting of the fact neither will happen. You seem like it mate enjoy yourself.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Jun 25, 2019 23:43:42 GMT
And we are moving on in Jones' words, "the fans favourite", for this absolute shite. He'll be fighting a losing battle after 15-20 games as Ole Ole Ole Ole Bojan rings out in front of 15000 on a cold wet Wednesday night People do seem to buy it though. But agreed if he carries on like he did last season then he’s got no chance. He was just so bad. The warnings were there with the Shrewsbury defeat but we let him off. The same mistakes he’d make again and again and again. He showed absolutely nothing to suggest he has a clue what he’s doing. And if it’s just the diamond, is it good having such a one dimensional manager? Unfortunately I'm afraid your right,, The Diamond is his main and only hope its what hes planned for all along... We left this league for the premiership when not a single on of us would have given them a chance. I for one was certain that that season having sold what seemed to be our best players we were getting relegated to division 1.. I know there arent many similarities between then and now.. But the shower of shit thats been paraded before us on the pitch for the past 2 - 3 seasons would surely take some surpassing ,,, So bring on the diamond lets see what hes made of and judge when / if it doesn't work out... as for the lesser know signings from the lower leagues i hope they bring a breath of fresh air into our club it certainly needs it as the stench of stale has beens or never have beens has gone on for far too long...
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Post by hanibal7 on Jun 25, 2019 23:43:48 GMT
Never in all my life have I heard so many whingers.Your lives must be very fkn boring, to have this horrible glass half empty, or is it living in Stoke on Trent causing this attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 23:49:15 GMT
Never in all my life have I heard so many whingers.Your lives must be very fkn boring, to have this horrible glass half empty, or is it living in Stoke on Trent causing this attitude. Signing shite players does it for me. Soz
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 0:05:47 GMT
This league is about putting a team together. I thought Sheffield Utd looked bang average on paper last season. You say that but they got the key areas right. Dowell is excellent. Would love him here if we could. And they had a bloke who is guaranteed goals. Just look at the team that won us promotion. I think Sorenson's on the money.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 26, 2019 1:11:33 GMT
I think it’ll be more Davies Edwards Batth Lindsay ? Cousins Allen Etebo Powell Vokes Gregory I think that's exactly how he'll go.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 26, 2019 1:18:28 GMT
With players expected in and out we probably will look something like this I guess? I think both Butland and Allen will be sold before the season gets ahead, and I also know a lot of people won't agree with Ince in the team. I believe in him though, we also still lack a left back. I also think Shawcross should play a number of games instead of Lindsay. Will Collins go to Man U.? ...........................Davies........................... Edwards.........Batth................Lindsay..........Clucas ..........................Cousins........................... .........Ince.................................Etebo......... ...........................Powell........................... ................Vokes.................Gregory............... Relegation Are you still happy that this guy knows what he's doing?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 26, 2019 6:50:30 GMT
People do seem to buy it though. But agreed if he carries on like he did last season then he’s got no chance. He was just so bad. The warnings were there with the Shrewsbury defeat but we let him off. The same mistakes he’d make again and again and again. He showed absolutely nothing to suggest he has a clue what he’s doing. And if it’s just the diamond, is it good having such a one dimensional manager? Unfortunately I'm afraid your right,, The Diamond is his main and only hope its what hes planned for all along... We left this league for the premiership when not a single on of us would have given them a chance. I for one was certain that that season having sold what seemed to be our best players we were getting relegated to division 1.. I know there arent many similarities between then and now.. But the shower of shit thats been paraded before us on the pitch for the past 2 - 3 seasons would surely take some surpassing ,,, So bring on the diamond lets see what hes made of and judge when / if it doesn't work out... as for the lesser know signings from the lower leagues i hope they bring a breath of fresh air into our club it certainly needs it as the stench of stale has beens or never have beens has gone on for far too long... I think the managers in that time have been the bigger problem than the players though. They’ve tried the same tactics expecting different results. That’s not very bright. In Woods, Clucas, Afobe and Ince last season we got 4 good Championship players who have done it at every other club they’ve been to. Yet apparently its them and not us that is the problem. I don’t buy it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 26, 2019 6:53:51 GMT
You say that but they got the key areas right. Dowell is excellent. Would love him here if we could. And they had a bloke who is guaranteed goals. Just look at the team that won us promotion. I think Sorenson's on the money. Again I disagree. We had a fantastic young talent at centre back. Delap is the best DM we’ve had in the last 10 years at the club. Ric was a genius. It doesn’t guarantee you success like spending money doesn’t. Have we got our key areas right? At the minute the answer to that is no. But there’s still time to sort that. Hence why I’m not arsed with these signings. They change nothing for me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 26, 2019 6:56:34 GMT
I think it’ll be more Davies Edwards Batth Lindsay ? Cousins Allen Etebo Powell Vokes Gregory I think that's exactly how he'll go. It’s not like it’s even a bad team. Is it one paced still? Yes Does the creativity scream from it? No It’s just meh.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 26, 2019 6:59:52 GMT
Remind me how much Sheffield United and Norwich spent last year to go up mate? A good solid team gets out of this league no matter the cost, it has been proved season after season. It isn’t a good solid team. No left back, a makeshift DM, an average goal keeper, two of the slowest strikers you could possibly find and a basket case at No.10 who will probably spend half the season injured. It’s absolutely horrendous. The cost is irrelevant. I keep seeing this 'two of the slowest strikers' thing, what is the assertion that Gregory is slow based on? Is it just his age? Signing a left back is make or break now. A good, attacking, energetic one completely transforms this team. Fail to sign one and we'll do well to finish top half.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 7:08:11 GMT
I’ll wait until the recruitment has finished and I’ve seen them play before making judgements about the starting XI. There are still some key areas to be recruited for and some quality to be brought in (via loan if necessary.)
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Post by Billy the kid on Jun 26, 2019 7:10:35 GMT
I think we are all suffering a little bit of a come down. We have gone from a team that used to leave Arsenal fans spitting blood, to a team full of nobodies, in such a short space of time. We are where we are, and with the volume of dead wood signed on massive contracts, then I can not see how this will change, when you consider Wimmer, Imbulla, Badu, bojan, berahino etc probably drain the club of finances on a level that many clubs in this league fill a 22 man squad with then you know we are in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 7:12:20 GMT
It isn’t a good solid team. No left back, a makeshift DM, an average goal keeper, two of the slowest strikers you could possibly find and a basket case at No.10 who will probably spend half the season injured. It’s absolutely horrendous. The cost is irrelevant. I keep seeing this 'two of the slowest strikers' thing, what is the assertion that Gregory is slow based on? Is it just his age? Signing a left back is make or break now. A good, attacking, energetic one completely transforms this team. Fail to sign one and we'll do well to finish top half. No I think he’s known to be slow. I don’t care about his age. He seems like a thoroughly decent chap and probably the safest of the buys as someone who can come on and do a decent job if needed. But starting him and Vokes together doesn’t look great on paper in my opinion and the title of this thread is “how does this look”! Still missing that quick hungry striker we’ve been missing for about three years now. Having said that I don’t see how it can be less ineffectual than Vokes and Afobe.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 26, 2019 7:17:35 GMT
I think we are all suffering a little bit of a come down. We have gone from a team that used to leave Arsenal fans spitting blood, to a team full of nobodies, in such a short space of time. We are where we are, and with the volume of dead wood signed on massive contracts, then I can not see how this will change, when you consider Wimmer, Imbulla, Badu, bojan, berahino etc probably drain the club of finances on a level that many clubs in this league fill a 22 man squad with then you know we are in trouble. The teams that left Arsenal spitting blood were largely made of nobodies, cast-offs and rejects before they came to Stoke.
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Post by fca47 on Jun 26, 2019 7:22:10 GMT
I'm looking forward to the season anyway. Our last side that gained promotion would have been lambasted by the same people. A good side gets promoted from this division not a load of good individuals. We've got the players in early which is better than previous years. I'm keeping the faith until proved wrong.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 26, 2019 7:24:26 GMT
5 solid, if unspectacular signings. Maybe because we knew most if not all of them were coming in long before they were announced.
If we can keep him fit Powell could do an awful lot for us, and I like the look of Gregory a solid performer in a "lesser side".
Cousins is probably the one I'm least enthused about, but if Jones worked with him previously and feels he is the right kind of guy for the role then I'm more than happy to trust that.
Also, not sure about some of the references to Gregory's pace...there's regular comments on the Millwall board and from Neil Harris that Gregory's main strengths are his pace and anticipation, he's not looked like he runs through treacle from what I've seen of him either.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 26, 2019 7:45:54 GMT
I keep seeing this 'two of the slowest strikers' thing, what is the assertion that Gregory is slow based on? Is it just his age? Signing a left back is make or break now. A good, attacking, energetic one completely transforms this team. Fail to sign one and we'll do well to finish top half. No I think he’s known to be slow. I don’t care about his age. He seems like a thoroughly decent chap and probably the safest of the buys as someone who can come on and do a decent job if needed. But starting him and Vokes together doesn’t look great on paper in my opinion and the title of this thread is “how does this look”! Still missing that quick hungry striker we’ve been missing for about three years now. Having said that I don’t see how it can be less ineffectual than Vokes and Afobe. Known to be slow by who sorry? Everything I've read suggests he's energetic, leads the press, was rapid when he was younger and though he's nudging 30 and isn't quite as quick, still certainly isn't slow?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 7:50:59 GMT
No I think he’s known to be slow. I don’t care about his age. He seems like a thoroughly decent chap and probably the safest of the buys as someone who can come on and do a decent job if needed. But starting him and Vokes together doesn’t look great on paper in my opinion and the title of this thread is “how does this look”! Still missing that quick hungry striker we’ve been missing for about three years now. Having said that I don’t see how it can be less ineffectual than Vokes and Afobe. Known to be slow by who sorry? Everything I've read suggests he's energetic, leads the press, was rapid when he was younger and though he's nudging 30 and isn't quite as quick, still certainly isn't slow? Ok average paced now but i don’t think he’s quick which is what I said we’ve been missing and are still missing in my opinion. The point of the thread is how does that team look and I dont think anyone can honestly say they would have picked him to play alongside Vokes over a fast young striker.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 26, 2019 7:54:54 GMT
Known to be slow by who sorry? Everything I've read suggests he's energetic, leads the press, was rapid when he was younger and though he's nudging 30 and isn't quite as quick, still certainly isn't slow? Ok average paced now but i don’t think he’s quick which is what I said we’ve been missing and are still missing in my opinion. The point of the thread is how does that team look and I dont think anyone can honestly say they would have picked him to play alongside Vokes over a fast young striker. No, what you said is he was one of the slowest strikers around, which is something different isn’t it? I’m not entirely convinced by all the signings, but I think he’ll turn out to be a good one.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 26, 2019 8:04:29 GMT
It does all feel a bit 2005, doesn't it? Low cost, possibly clever signings who are known to the manager. Difference is, we WERE poo back then but now we're still the big Championship fish going into the new season so the change in tack from last season to this is monumental. I'm certainly intrigued, if not overly enamoured with these first signings.
With who we still have on our books, we should still have a good enough squad but I'm just not quite sure what these signings add that we didn't have already- possibly Powell aside who can actually play at No.10 and make things happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 8:09:54 GMT
Ok average paced now but i don’t think he’s quick which is what I said we’ve been missing and are still missing in my opinion. The point of the thread is how does that team look and I dont think anyone can honestly say they would have picked him to play alongside Vokes over a fast young striker. No, what you said is he was one of the slowest strikers around, which is something different isn’t it? I’m not entirely convinced by all the signings, but I think he’ll turn out to be a good one. I’m sure he’ll be a solid signing but where there’s only supposed to be 2 players per place is he really what we would have all hoped and the answer to our striker problems. I don’t think anyone can honestly say he is and I don’t think people can be blamed for being disappointed by these signing as a whole, taking into consideration the personnel and issues we have in the squad but that’s just my opinion.
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