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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 24, 2019 10:07:54 GMT
Does our scouting just go as far as the leaked Celtic targets or something? Similar wage budgets presumably? I thought it was just me, but it seems that every other player we are linked with is also a Celtic target and we are in a battle with them for the signature. If so it will be interesting to see who prevails. "Blown out of the water" by Celtic has a very unfamiliar, if not ominous ring to it.
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Post by christhepotter on Jun 24, 2019 10:12:41 GMT
Would he want to come here and sit on the bench? Edwards has to be first choice Why does he , Edwards still as a lot learn and is prone to mistakes, maybe he’s someone who Edwards can learn off
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 24, 2019 10:17:43 GMT
Of course there may not actually be anything in this link! But, if there is, he'd be walking into the club with his eyes wide open about the level of competition. And it's not like a keeper, where you basically know if you're Number 2, you're screwed. I'm not sure how diamond-suitable Smith is, but we're going to need pretty much specialists there, aren't we? Not 'do a job' merchants, given how crucial they are to the system. It's possibly the one area of the team where we really could do with FOUR proper options, two naturals on either side. The chances of finding someone who can play well on both flanks, or a midfield cover player who can fill in there and do well, not just 'do a job' is really low (unless what happened with Justin leads him to believe all full-backs are switchable? Is Justin two-footed?) It'd be nice if you could find some great versatile player who could fill holes in a few places, especially if you're only looking for 20 outfield players but probably easier said that done. At the moment, it's hard to see McClean figuring anywhere unless he's pencilled in as the back-up on the left (along with Clucas), but that's not ideal - for the team or McClean. And that's what makes you think McClean has still got to be a candidate to go? I thought Cousins may be being pencilled in as the back-up RB (as well as midfield cover) with his history there and his supposed engine, but if this happens, probably makes that whole link a bit more unlikely? Certainly likes to get forward in that clip.
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Post by themistocles on Jun 24, 2019 10:28:43 GMT
Would he want to come here and sit on the bench? Edwards has to be first choice Why does he , Edwards still as a lot learn and is prone to mistakes, maybe he’s someone who Edwards can learn off He's a player we don't need to sign in a position we're well stocked with a highly regarded young local player. Focus on LB
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 24, 2019 10:38:35 GMT
No. Edwards is the right back. We don’t need another one who thinks he should be starting. We need a left back. And someone who ideally can cover both. We don’t need 2 right backs who both expect to play 46 games this season. Assuming Bauer and Pieters leave three fullbacks might be a bit risky? Clucas or even MacLean can cover at left back (even more so if we switch to three at the back) Right side is vulnerable if Edwards is out Minimum 48 game season I think five centre backs four fullbacks makes sense Defenders tend to be out more with suspensions and injuries Definitely.Hasn't Jones already stated that fullback is the most physically demanding position in his favoured formation and playing style? Playing the role the way he envisages it,the incumbents are going to be asked to get up and down the pitch a lot,so it's draining over the course of 90 minutes let alone an entire season so I'd expect the fullbacks to pick up niggling muscle injuries players seem susceptible to when fatigue takes its toll.Loss of form will also be inevitably a consideration too. It seems sensible to be able to rotate players in the fullback position to spread the burden over an entire campaign.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2019 10:47:20 GMT
Edwards was fine all season. We need to sign 2 full backs, one of them doesn't need to be a right back only like Smith is. But finding these competent/good versatile players is easier said than done. Justin is very unusual in that regard. If, for example, Edwards broke his leg on the opening day, what would we do? Left-backs (or midfielders) who can also play (well) on the right aren't ten-a-penny, are they? Well that's the job of the scouting dept. We've already got a few. Bauer can cover both flanks, Cameron can cover right back and DM. Clucas can cover anywhere. It's not that hard!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2019 10:48:25 GMT
Edwards was fine all season. We need to sign 2 full backs, one of them doesn't need to be a right back only like Smith is. No he wasn't he had some very iffy performances - to be expected at his age. None of the youngsters should have preferential treatment and there should be competition for every position. If, as is likely, Bauer goes we need a right back - as well as two left backs. If Edwards can prove he's better than any other right back in the squad he gets to play. If not he doesn't. Same for everyone in the squad. No he didn't. I'm not saying there shouldn't be competiton but signing a bloke who'd come here expecting to play when you have a fantastic young prospect (he's better than that) there already makes zero sense. It's like Martina all over again.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 24, 2019 11:07:51 GMT
Edwards was fine all season. We need to sign 2 full backs, one of them doesn't need to be a right back only like Smith is. No he wasn't he had some very iffy performances - to be expected at his age. None of the youngsters should have preferential treatment and there should be competition for every position. If, as is likely, Bauer goes we need a right back - as well as two left backs. If Edwards can prove he's better than any other right back in the squad he gets to play. If not he doesn't. Same for everyone in the squad. With a twenty man squad of outfield players this will be fun.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 24, 2019 11:13:11 GMT
How come Smith didn't play that much for Udders last season (Wiki says 16 games) and the season before played 24 games?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 24, 2019 11:16:24 GMT
Why does he , Edwards still as a lot learn and is prone to mistakes, maybe he’s someone who Edwards can learn off He's a player we don't need to sign in a position we're well stocked with a highly regarded young local player. Focus on LB One player isn't really well stocked though is it.
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Post by potterspele on Jun 24, 2019 11:18:44 GMT
But finding these competent/good versatile players is easier said than done. Justin is very unusual in that regard. If, for example, Edwards broke his leg on the opening day, what would we do? Left-backs (or midfielders) who can also play (well) on the right aren't ten-a-penny, are they? Well that's the job of the scouting dept. We've already got a few. Bauer can cover both flanks, Cameron can cover right back and DM. Clucas can cover anywhere. It's not that hard! Bauer looked questionable at best on the left and is potentially likely to leave. Cameron can cover right back in a pinch but is absolutely not suitable for a diamond and Clucas at best would be square peg round hole (and a left footed player playing on the right side who isn't even a defender!). Given that we know the full back positions are the most crucial in this system it seems to me that we need 2 players in each position. Granted I'd rather see a left back come in first as priority but we're probably going to be linked with left and right backs until we're stocked in each position (unless Bauer ends up staying in which case I can't imagine any real substance to this article). If we go into the season with the options you have listed there and end up needing to play any one of them for a protracted period of time you know as well as I do that the formation won't work. To be honest I doubt any formation would be great with any of those listed above and since we know Jones is wedded to the diamond we need to support that by bringing in specialist full backs.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 24, 2019 11:22:57 GMT
Celtic must be getting royally pissed off with us.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 24, 2019 11:27:53 GMT
Edwards was fine all season. We need to sign 2 full backs, one of them doesn't need to be a right back only like Smith is. No he wasn't he had some very iffy performances - to be expected at his age. None of the youngsters should have preferential treatment and there should be competition for every position. If, as is likely, Bauer goes we need a right back - as well as two left backs. If Edwards can prove he's better than any other right back in the squad he gets to play. If not he doesn't. Same for everyone in the squad. Edwards was one of our better players as soon as Jones came in, we saw what he was capable of... He didn't look "AS" good under Rowett, because Rowett pissed him about, in one week, out the next FOUR....for a player who was nowhere near as good as Edwards!!! I'm all for competition in the squad.... but bringing in someone who you'd think would be only coming if he was considered the 1st choice right-back would be an absolute kick in the knads to Edwards now!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2019 11:29:02 GMT
Well that's the job of the scouting dept. We've already got a few. Bauer can cover both flanks, Cameron can cover right back and DM. Clucas can cover anywhere. It's not that hard! Bauer looked questionable at best on the left and is potentially likely to leave. Cameron can cover right back in a pinch but is absolutely not suitable for a diamond and Clucas at best would be square peg round hole (and a left footed player playing on the right side who isn't even a defender!). Given that we know the full back positions are the most crucial in this system it seems to me that we need 2 players in each position. Granted I'd rather see a left back come in first as priority but we're probably going to be linked with left and right backs until we're stocked in each position (unless Bauer ends up staying in which case I can't imagine any real substance to this article). If we go into the season with the options you have listed there and end up needing to play any one of them for a protracted period of time you know as well as I do that the formation won't work. To be honest I doubt any formation would be great with any of those listed above and since we know Jones is wedded to the diamond we need to support that by bringing in specialist full backs. I was merely saying that they're not that hard to find 3 quality full backs is enough. We can't sustain 4 out and out full backs. They aren't options I was advocating
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Post by mamasgloves on Jun 24, 2019 11:34:07 GMT
4 goals and 10 assists in his last championship season. Edwards got 1 goal and zero assists (I think)
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Post by thevoid on Jun 24, 2019 11:49:13 GMT
Celtic must be getting royally pissed off with us. Bonus. Perhaps we could offer McLean as a peace offering?
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Post by potterspele on Jun 24, 2019 12:45:20 GMT
Bauer looked questionable at best on the left and is potentially likely to leave. Cameron can cover right back in a pinch but is absolutely not suitable for a diamond and Clucas at best would be square peg round hole (and a left footed player playing on the right side who isn't even a defender!). Given that we know the full back positions are the most crucial in this system it seems to me that we need 2 players in each position. Granted I'd rather see a left back come in first as priority but we're probably going to be linked with left and right backs until we're stocked in each position (unless Bauer ends up staying in which case I can't imagine any real substance to this article). If we go into the season with the options you have listed there and end up needing to play any one of them for a protracted period of time you know as well as I do that the formation won't work. To be honest I doubt any formation would be great with any of those listed above and since we know Jones is wedded to the diamond we need to support that by bringing in specialist full backs. I was merely saying that they're not that hard to find 3 quality full backs is enough. We can't sustain 4 out and out full backs. They aren't options I was advocating I'm not sure how you're supporting that point by naming a bunch of crap utility players. It's not hard to find players that can occasionally play in a different position like the ones you've named but it is hard to find a specialist full back that can play left and right, is available and is keen on joining us. That's highly unlikely and hardly the transfer policy we should adopt as we'll end up without one. I agree that we cant really support 4 players in those positions but ultimately I'd rather have them in the building and worry about how happy they are later down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 12:49:04 GMT
That montage looks good. Where it fails though, we have Afobe who isn’t fond of moving to get on the end of the crosses.
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 24, 2019 13:15:54 GMT
Celtic must be getting royally pissed off with us. we can ease their pain by flogging McClean to them. I'm sure he wouldn't mind.
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Post by robrigo on Jun 24, 2019 14:17:26 GMT
Celtic must be getting royally pissed off with us. Bollocks to Celtic- they took Lou off us! 😡😉
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Post by nott1 on Jun 24, 2019 15:19:56 GMT
That montage looks good. Where it fails though, we have Afobe who isn’t fond of moving to get on the end of the crosses. You didn't need any more words after "moving".
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Post by kelw on Jun 24, 2019 15:22:04 GMT
Celtic must be getting royally pissed off with us. Bollocks to Celtic- they took Lou off us He couldn't get there quick enough but was his boyhood club. Was a disaster to be fair and came top of a poll as their worst manager ever even beating John Barnes. Had a reputation of not turning up for training
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Post by adi on Jun 24, 2019 15:23:55 GMT
We definitely do. If Pieters and Bauer go as expected, we have one full back and he is inexperienced and had an up and down season and we dont know ho he wil do in a diamond formation- Brentford away didnt augur well. Edwards was fine all season. We need to sign 2 full backs, one of them doesn't need to be a right back only like Smith is. Edwards had some poor games in fairness. When Bauer goes we need cover. Smith is too high profile it would seem but a fullback as cover is required
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Post by kelw on Jun 24, 2019 16:03:23 GMT
Isn't he their captain? A few assuming he'd be cover which is a bit presumptuous if at all true we're interested
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Post by lee1982 on Jun 24, 2019 16:59:37 GMT
We dont need left backs we have Clucas and McClean
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Post by kelw on Jun 24, 2019 17:02:27 GMT
We dont need left backs we have Clucas and McClean McClean was excellent v Sheff U but shhhh
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Post by lee1982 on Jun 24, 2019 17:16:24 GMT
We dont need left backs we have Clucas and McClean McClean was excellent v Sheff U but shhhh Been saying it for a while but i think we are going 3 at the back. McClean and Clucas will privide competition for each other at left wing back. Jones must rate them as they were regulars in his lineups and despite the fact they split opinion, theyre the least of our troubles when you consider we need to shift Pieters, Bauer, Wimmer, Imbula, N’diaye and Berahino before them.
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Post by kelw on Jun 24, 2019 17:19:16 GMT
McClean was excellent v Sheff U but shhhh Been saying it for a while but i think we are going 3 at the back. McClean and Clucas will privide competition for each other at left wing back. Jones must rate them as they were regulars in his lineups and despite the fact they split opinion, theyre the least of our troubles when you consider we need to shift Pieters, Bauer, Wimmer, Imbula, N’diaye and Berahino before them. Me too. No problem with that
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 17:50:12 GMT
Jones converted Justin from RB to LB why couldn’t he do the same here? Because it's a daft idea. Converting players never works,just look at Gareth Bale
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 24, 2019 18:54:06 GMT
No he wasn't he had some very iffy performances - to be expected at his age. None of the youngsters should have preferential treatment and there should be competition for every position. If, as is likely, Bauer goes we need a right back - as well as two left backs. If Edwards can prove he's better than any other right back in the squad he gets to play. If not he doesn't. Same for everyone in the squad. With a twenty man squad of outfield players this will be fun. That's 2 players fighting for every position on the pitch. Or do we have an undroppable 11 and 11 also rans only there to polish the untouchables boots? If any player doesn't like the fact they will lose their place in the first team if they don't keep the standards up they have no place in the squad - and that goes for young players who have come through the ranks or club legends coming to the end of their career.
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