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Post by kelw on Jun 21, 2019 8:54:03 GMT
Any deal has got to be weighted towards performance, he’s a depreciating asset. Even if he has a brilliant season, a top club aren’t going to come in for him due to his age so we can’t possibly make a profit on him. A reasonable fee with potential for that to double with promotion makes total sense. £8m down, £4m for x goals and £4m if promoted I’d say. Making a profit on him isn't the issue. It's about finding someone we desperately need to get us out of this league and the rewards at the end of that far outweigh the lack of profit on a single player. Is no point us strengthening all over the pitch then be stuck with the old guard who clearly won't get us the goals we need. Defeats the object
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2019 7:05:05 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jun 22, 2019 7:21:05 GMT
Definitely worth it if we can ship out some of the wrong uns.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2019 8:03:37 GMT
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 22, 2019 8:10:01 GMT
weather he wants to stay at newcastle or not its obvious they dont want him or he would not have been loaned out all season to west brom. good championship scorer not up to premier league standard. he will be sold no doubt about that. where he goes well thats up to him.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 22, 2019 8:56:44 GMT
Fulham would be my bet
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 22, 2019 9:04:19 GMT
Too lazy to trawl the thread, Benj; would you want him here?
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 22, 2019 9:22:27 GMT
Fulham will buy him whilst we are 'linked with him' and so, another season will go by without the goals in the team to do what is necessary
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 22, 2019 9:47:51 GMT
Fulham will buy him whilst we are 'linked with him' and so, another season will go by without the goals in the team to do what is necessary Really hope we get him, but I understand your cynicism!
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Post by kelw on Jun 22, 2019 10:11:38 GMT
Gayle said exactly the same last year then a few days later went to West Brom
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Post by liathroid on Jun 22, 2019 10:24:08 GMT
10 million ,we must be after his 20 million rated identical twin
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2019 11:01:07 GMT
10 million ,we must be after his 20 million rated identical twin The other £10m will be his wages and signing on fee No two ways about he's expensive, West Bromwich Albion have already said he's too expensive. Fulham,Stoke. Can't see anyone else in this league even thinking about it. Can't see Premier League clubs interested. If Newcastle want him gone then they will have to chop the fee right down,pay off some his contact or loan him out. I would guess a last minute loan.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 22, 2019 11:38:27 GMT
Fulham will buy him whilst we are 'linked with him' and so, another season will go by without the goals in the team to do what is necessary Really hope we get him, but I understand your cynicism! He’d be a brilliant signing I agree , but I think London will appeal and we will struggle to convince him we really mean business with the other signings , that might prove not to be the case , but on paper which is all he can go on there are better bets
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 22, 2019 11:44:46 GMT
10 million ,we must be after his 20 million rated identical twin The other £10m will be his wages and signing on fee No two ways about he's expensive, West Bromwich Albion have already said he's too expensive. Fulham,Stoke. Can't see anyone else in this league even thinking about it. Can't see Premier League clubs interested. If Newcastle want him gone then they will have to chop the fee right down,pay off some his contact or loan him out. I would guess a last minute loan. I have always rated him, and really hope we get him. If he fails to score many, I fucking give up!
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 22, 2019 11:56:48 GMT
He's the modern equivalent of Michael Chopra, David Nugent and co. Strikers who score goals for fun in the Championship but for whatever reason can't make it worth in the Premier League. He's had enough goes now and won't get any more chances so he needs to accept that and not delude himself with getting another chance at Newcastle. I suspect he knows it and is just saying that in case a move doesn't go through this summer. I suspect he'll eventually end up on loan somewhere in the Championship or a move for around £15m.
Fulham would be my bet. Their squad looks a decent bet to challenge, they have some money and the lure of London. They're newly relegated too so can afford to have a shot at the big spending return that we tried last year. I think he'd only end up here if other clubs go elsewhere and we have no serious competition.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 22, 2019 12:20:10 GMT
If we have £10m to spend on a striker, there has to be better value abroad. This argument that he guarantees goals was used for Afobe...that worked well. Also as mentioned, if he did sign and we got promoted, he’s proven not to be able cut it in the PL so we’d need to buy another striker anyway. At the age of 29, there’s better value out there.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jun 22, 2019 12:26:40 GMT
Hes worth splashing out
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 22, 2019 12:30:10 GMT
If we have £10m to spend on a striker, there has to be better value abroad. This argument that he guarantees goals was used for Afobe...that worked well. Also as mentioned, if he did sign and we got promoted, he’s proven not to be able cut it in the PL so we’d need to buy another striker anyway. At the age of 29, there’s better value out there. I doubt we would pay big bucks. Don't believe the club are looking for a big promotion push anymore more a steady consolidation. As for overseas striker not a cat in hells chance. Our recruitment and scouting team are not fit for purpose and Jones doesn't have a recruitment vision beyond lower champ and league 1 status. In fact hes stated that he prefers uk and ireland players.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 22, 2019 12:32:38 GMT
If stoke city want a tilt at promotion next season - they sign him -- simple as
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Post by Goonie on Jun 22, 2019 12:36:38 GMT
10 million ,we must be after his 20 million rated identical twin Perhaps hes bringing Ritchie too? Cue: 'He won't fit a diamond formation' 😁
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 22, 2019 12:39:38 GMT
If stoke city want a tilt at promotion next season - they sign him -- simple as At the expense of a left back and a DM?
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 22, 2019 12:59:44 GMT
IF stoke don't sign him -thats it - I do actually give up
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 22, 2019 13:06:21 GMT
we can spend as much as we want, if he comes, he won't score because we have no one to feed passes through.
Bojan can and Verlinden can, but jones for some reason won't play them.
That leaves the likes of McClean, Clucas, Ince and sometimes Allen to get the ball to the forward line.
I'll reserve judgement on Powell until it's confirmed he's signed and he stays fit.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 22, 2019 13:07:31 GMT
IF stoke don't sign him -thats it - I do actually give up If we have £20m to spend it needs to go on areas of the first team where we currently don’t have a viable first choice option. A big money striker added to this team is essentially an ostentatious personalised reg plate when you’re still missing a wheel and an engine.
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Post by kelw on Jun 22, 2019 13:12:34 GMT
IF stoke don't sign him -thats it - I do actually give up If we have £20m to spend it needs to go on areas of the first team where we currently don’t have a viable first choice option. A big money striker added to this team is essentially an ostentatious personalised reg plate when you’re still missing a wheel and an engine. without a striker we're a car without an engine
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Post by rawli on Jun 22, 2019 13:13:20 GMT
IF stoke don't sign him -thats it - I do actually give up You've given me a quandary now.😉
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 22, 2019 13:19:55 GMT
If we have £20m to spend it needs to go on areas of the first team where we currently don’t have a viable first choice option. A big money striker added to this team is essentially an ostentatious personalised reg plate when you’re still missing a wheel and an engine. without a striker we're a car without an engine We’ve got two first choice strikers who I think will do well. Campbell may yet breakthrough as well. Even if we shift Afobe I’d rather see Ngoy as an option and use the money elsewhere. We have a grand total of zero viable left backs and the manager’s system relies heavily on full backs. We don’t have a proper holding midfielder and that too is an absolutely key position.
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Post by kelw on Jun 22, 2019 13:37:43 GMT
without a striker we're a car without an engine We’ve got two first choice strikers who I think will do well. Campbell may yet breakthrough as well. Even if we shift Afobe I’d rather see Ngoy as an option and use the money elsewhere. We have a grand total of zero viable left backs and the manager’s system relies heavily on full backs. We don’t have a proper holding midfielder and that too is an absolutely key position. We don't need Gayle but we have Campbell and N'Goy as options. Neither has managed a goal at this level . Because we sign Gayle doesn't mean no-one else will come . It's a waste of time going into the season without a further addition up front
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 22, 2019 13:40:50 GMT
We’ve got two first choice strikers who I think will do well. Campbell may yet breakthrough as well. Even if we shift Afobe I’d rather see Ngoy as an option and use the money elsewhere. We have a grand total of zero viable left backs and the manager’s system relies heavily on full backs. We don’t have a proper holding midfielder and that too is an absolutely key position. We don't need Gayle but we have Campbell and N'Goy as options. Neither has managed a goal at this level . Because we sign Gayle doesn't mean no-one else will come . It's a waste of time going into the season without a further addition up front We clearly have limited funds to spend. I think it’s a safe assumption that £20m would represent most of the pot available.
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Post by kelw on Jun 22, 2019 13:57:32 GMT
We don't need Gayle but we have Campbell and N'Goy as options. Neither has managed a goal at this level . Because we sign Gayle doesn't mean no-one else will come . It's a waste of time going into the season without a further addition up front We clearly have limited funds to spend. I think it’s a safe assumption that £20m would represent most of the pot available. The 20 million is a figure quoted by The Sun. i'm sure it would take up most but be worth it.
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