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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 6, 2019 16:33:36 GMT
So that being the case who are the “frontline” 4 central defenders? Try not to include 18 year old rookies who have only started one senior game. He'd be one of my starters from the off. People are seriously underestimating how good he is. BMI looks like he's going and it looks likely Suttar is going out on a season long loan - that leaves 3 CBs. Seeing Collins play at under 19 level is no indication as to how he will do at Championship level - and to bet our season on him coming good is nuts and unfair on Collins. I'm happy to give him a chance and hope he does well - but not getting in another first team ready CB is just bank rolling our future on wishful thinking.
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Post by ceejays on Jun 6, 2019 16:34:43 GMT
In about 15 years on this board I’ve made 237 posts. About 236 of those are making fun of your ridiculous posts.Perhaps you might reveal your fantasy football team? I assume you might have the time to play? And please reveal your total score for the season just gone. Robertson was in the dream team. Bayern oatcake. Can u shorten that to B O ? As that’s more appropriate
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2019 16:46:04 GMT
He'd be one of my starters from the off. People are seriously underestimating how good he is. BMI looks like he's going and it looks likely Suttar is going out on a season long loan - that leaves 3 CBs. Seeing Collins play at under 19 level is no indication as to how he will do at Championship level - and to bet our season on him coming good is nuts and unfair on Collins. I'm happy to give him a chance and hope he does well - but not getting in another first team ready CB is just bank rolling our future on wishful thinking. Souttar shouldn’t be sent out on loan. I’d rather we took that bet than one on a bloke just relegated. Collins will be class. We have to embrace it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2019 16:47:33 GMT
In about 15 years on this board I’ve made 237 posts. About 236 of those are making fun of your ridiculous posts.Perhaps you might reveal your fantasy football team? I assume you might have the time to play? And please reveal your total score for the season just gone. Robertson was in the dream team. Bayern oatcake. Can u shorten that to B O ? As that’s more appropriate He played well. But he’s still suspect when anyone actually attacks him. And he’s where I’d target if I was a manager playing against Liverpool. Great going forward and you have to counter that but get at him and he struggles.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 6, 2019 16:47:58 GMT
Posted without comment. He’s the weak link at Liverpool. No he isn't. He's a better fullback than Trent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2019 16:50:53 GMT
He’s the weak link at Liverpool. No he isn't. He's a better fullback than Trent. I disagree. He’s better going forward at the moment. But I still don’t think he’s all that defensively. TAA is. Defensively though the best full back in the PL is Wan Bissaka..... He’s crazy one on one. Hope he gets in the England set up over Walker after this summer.
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 8, 2019 9:42:49 GMT
Posted without comment. He’s the weak link at Liverpool. I’ve seen it all now
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 8, 2019 10:10:07 GMT
We never win at Barnsley so we might as well sign all their best players to give us a fighting chance
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Post by Northy on Jun 8, 2019 10:26:34 GMT
Bayern currently searching the net to see whether he’s any good 😄 He’s shit and signing him would be an absolute disaster a bit like Tammy Abraham this time last year then ........
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Post by thehoof on Jun 8, 2019 12:47:20 GMT
We never win at Barnsley so we might as well sign all their best players to give us a fighting chance Not true- I was there on Boxing Day 86(I think), Carl Saunders and Zico Kelly in an extremely comfortable 2-0 win. Splitting hairs as it’s probably our only win in 100 visits!😉
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 8, 2019 13:14:26 GMT
We never win at Barnsley so we might as well sign all their best players to give us a fighting chance Not true- I was there on Boxing Day 86(I think), Carl Saunders and Zico Kelly in an extremely comfortable 2-0 win. Splitting hairs as it’s probably our only win in 100 visits!😉 Yes you are right pal. Came in the middle of that amazing run when Carl Saunders couldn't miss. Haven't won there since, though that 3-3 in the promotion season when Lennie got a hattrick felt like a win:)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 8, 2019 14:37:18 GMT
He’s the weak link at Liverpool. I’ve seen it all now He is though. Leaves too much space behind him and you can get at him. He’s not that good of a defender at all.
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 8, 2019 16:33:29 GMT
He is though. Leaves too much space behind him and you can get at him. He’s not that good of a defender at all. Only you couldn’t rate one of the best left backs in world football
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 8, 2019 16:54:21 GMT
He is though. Leaves too much space behind him and you can get at him. He’s not that good of a defender at all. Only you couldn’t rate one of the best left backs in world football I remember a commentator saying in the champions league final "is there a better left wing back in Europe".... I almost cried😂
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 8, 2019 17:01:55 GMT
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Post by bhp on Jun 8, 2019 17:16:46 GMT
Only you couldn’t rate one of the best left backs in world football I remember a commentator saying in the champions league final "is there a better left wing back in Europe".... I almost cried😂 When Benjamin Mendy is fit he's by far the best. The quality he has at both ends of the field are insane.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 8, 2019 18:03:27 GMT
BMI looks like he's going and it looks likely Suttar is going out on a season long loan - that leaves 3 CBs. Seeing Collins play at under 19 level is no indication as to how he will do at Championship level - and to bet our season on him coming good is nuts and unfair on Collins. I'm happy to give him a chance and hope he does well - but not getting in another first team ready CB is just bank rolling our future on wishful thinking. Souttar shouldn’t be sent out on loan. I’d rather we took that bet than one on a bloke just relegated. Collins will be class. We have to embrace it. So you would go into the season with two youngsters unproven in the Championship, a player whose form and fitness can no longer be relied upon and one proven, experienced centre back? Your faith in Collins is touching and I sincerely hope you're right. However no one in the right mind is going to base their squad building strategy on wishful thinking, We need another battle hardened, proven, first team ready, Championship quality centre back - even if Collins does keep him on the bench all season.
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 8, 2019 18:08:07 GMT
I remember a commentator saying in the champions league final "is there a better left wing back in Europe".... I almost cried😂 When Benjamin Mendy is fit he's by far the best. The quality he has at both ends of the field are insane. Never fit though is he mate.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 8, 2019 18:13:06 GMT
It looks like Indi is going to move on.So he needs to be replaced.
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Post by bhp on Jun 8, 2019 20:41:35 GMT
When Benjamin Mendy is fit he's by far the best. The quality he has at both ends of the field are insane. Never fit though is he mate. When he is no one can rival him. Would love to see him play 30 games next season, would get double figure assists easily. Also like Alaba from Bayern, versatile player.
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2019 21:13:06 GMT
I'm going to back Bayern up a little bit here. Collins is the best 17 year old I've seen at Stoke in 40+ years of watching (Griffin was mint mind). He needs to be at worst third choice and to be honest I'd stat the season with him in the team.
I do think 5 CB's would be sensible and although we could do with a look at Souttar in a Stoke shirt I think another loan will be absolutely fine for him.
Would assume Bruno is leaving and would assume we won't find a buyer for Wimmer but that someone abroad will take him on loan.
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 9, 2019 11:16:34 GMT
Never fit though is he mate. When he is no one can rival him. Would love to see him play 30 games next season, would get double figure assists easily. Also like Alaba from Bayern, versatile player. I forgot about Alaba tbh...and I agree about Mendy, I'm a massive fan but he does struggle with injuries.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2019 21:41:25 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 15, 2019 21:55:27 GMT
What does this mean for Collins and Souttar?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2019 21:58:54 GMT
Surely we aren't in for both Pennington and Lindsay as that would be madness?
But whichever front-line centre-half comes in, it looks like Souttar will be loaned and Collins will be 4th choice at best - with BMI probably sold?
Lindsay seems more of a prospect than Pennington though, so I kind of hope it's him rather than Pennington that's coming in. But Sentinel seem pretty sure it's Pennington.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2019 22:08:15 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jun 15, 2019 22:08:50 GMT
Barnsley's owners could call 'time' on this if they wanted I would imagine:
The EFL rich list Club - owner - estimated wealth Aston Villa - Dr Tony Xia, Nassef Sawiris, Wesley Edens - £8,100,000,000 Barnsley - International Investment Consortium (Headed by Chien Lee) - £6,900,000,000 Stoke - Coates family - £3,100,000,000 West Brom - Guochuan Lai - £2,800,000,000 Bristol City - Steve Lansdown - £1,720,000,000 Preston - Trevor Hemmings - £1,000,000,000
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2019 22:09:26 GMT
Souttar shouldn’t be sent out on loan. I’d rather we took that bet than one on a bloke just relegated. Collins will be class. We have to embrace it. So you would go into the season with two youngsters unproven in the Championship, a player whose form and fitness can no longer be relied upon and one proven, experienced centre back? Your faith in Collins is touching and I sincerely hope you're right. However no one in the right mind is going to base their squad building strategy on wishful thinking, We need another battle hardened, proven, first team ready, Championship quality centre back - even if Collins does keep him on the bench all season. No we don’t.
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 15, 2019 22:22:54 GMT
I’m starting to think that we may be looking to go with the 3 at the back version of the diamond that we saw towards the end of the season.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 15, 2019 22:26:14 GMT
I’m starting to think that we may be looking to go with the 3 at the back version of the diamond that we saw towards the end of the season. Either that or there’s going to be a surprise departure.
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