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Post by Pugsley on Aug 20, 2021 10:00:47 GMT
Graphs and stuff from 18 months or more ago... WBA letting so called good player go to a direct rival for promotion on loan... I'm not convinced but let's see, in MON we have to trust. For wider context, RS has played over 40 games in his last 4 seasons in the Championship. He played 19 (50% of games in the PL last season). The 19/20 season finished near the end of July 2020 and he played 42 games. See career stats: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romaine_SawyersAs for WBA letting him leave to a rival, maybe they had no viable financial alternative from a wages perspective. The nature of the Championship is that many teams could ultimately be a promotion rival. All good points, let's hope he can do the business for us and not turn into Ryan Woods who had a similar fanfare.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 20, 2021 10:00:48 GMT
Very few WBA fans have good things to say about him. Their main concern is his laziness and positioning.. Not convinced by this one. They'd have said the same about Hudson as they wouldn't recognise a footballer if they tripped over one!
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 20, 2021 10:00:59 GMT
I don’t entirely follow the ‘three centre backs good on the ball means you don’t need a DM’ argument - being good on the ball isn’t really the top priority of a DM and if anything they’d offer more protection when one of your CBs steps forward. As far as I can see most teams who play with a back three still play with at least one DM. I worry slightly that we might look a bit lightweight against the better teams in the league. We have some real quality options in the middle of the park now though and maybe this will prompt Allen to finally settle into being the anchor in the way he is for Wales? He was great in the week in that role. It’s a gamble, but an exciting gamble, and whole we’re creating chances and scoring goals I’m just enjoying seeing where it’s going. It’s worlds better than the last few seasons. Early evidence on the rest of the teams suggests there aren’t many better teams. Maybe MON is confident he can boss midfield with good footballers, which is pretty exciting.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2021 10:01:18 GMT
Thing is with All these graphs and that though they make players sound the bollocks, yet he's available for loan from a championship club with 1 year remaining on his deal. It's an odd situation for a talented footballer Graphs and stuff from 18 months or more ago... WBA letting so called good player go to a direct rival for promotion on loan... I'm not convinced but let's see, in MON we have to trust. I would suggest the managers approach from Brazil to Wimbledon may have a lot to do with it
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Post by nott1 on Aug 20, 2021 10:03:46 GMT
So he'll be competing with vrancic, Clucas and Powell rather than Allen Good player but we really needed a ball winning sitting midfielder. No we won't, the opposition will, as we'll have the ball most of the time!
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Post by andystokey on Aug 20, 2021 10:15:48 GMT
So he'll be competing with vrancic, Clucas and Powell rather than Allen Good player but we really needed a ball winning sitting midfielder. No we won't, the opposition will, as we'll have the ball most of the time! I'm not sure that works for me. We played the best I've seen for some time on Tuesday we won away, scored 3 goals and played a very high pressing game. We only had 36% possession though.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 20, 2021 10:16:08 GMT
Meanwhile...why hasn't Powell signed a new contract? Gotta be that he's exploring his options knowing that his current wage will significantly reduce if he stays with us. Oh.. unless we manage to achieve promotion and the powers that be want him to stay, that is. He’s on £15,000 a week. I don’t think his wage will reduce, but he could perhaps get more elsewhere. Really hope not though, he’s brilliant.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 20, 2021 10:17:09 GMT
LGH87: "Signed this morning by the way, for anyone wondering about announcements or worrying he may not be eligible for tomorrow".
I believe that the Stoke publicity and public relations office use equipment and technology that was initially acquired back in the day when The Enigma Machine represented cutting edge communication.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 20, 2021 10:17:47 GMT
Gotta be that he's exploring his options knowing that his current wage will significantly reduce if he stays with us. Oh.. unless we manage to achieve promotion and the powers that be want him to stay, that is. He’s on £15,000 a week. I don’t think his wage will reduce, but he could perhaps get more elsewhere. Really hope not though, he’s brilliant. Letting Powell go would be a huge mistake. Clearly one of the best players in the Championship.
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Post by apb1 on Aug 20, 2021 10:18:55 GMT
Gotta be that he's exploring his options knowing that his current wage will significantly reduce if he stays with us. Oh.. unless we manage to achieve promotion and the powers that be want him to stay, that is. He’s on £15,000 a week. I don’t think his wage will reduce, but he could perhaps get more elsewhere. Really hope not though, he’s brilliant. Totally agree. How do you know what players earn, if you don't mind me asking? It's always been a mystery to me how people find out.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 20, 2021 10:22:42 GMT
Thing is with All these graphs and that though they make players sound the bollocks, yet he's available for loan from a championship club with 1 year remaining on his deal. It's an odd situation for a talented footballer Think Tuncay under Pulis.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 20, 2021 10:23:25 GMT
Southampton let Fuller and Higgy come to us for less than a million combined. It does happen. True but circumstances different. Fuller had a long list of injuries and discipline issues. Fee was based on appearances. Higgy had fallen out with the owner. With this one it seems primarily like he wasn't up to the Prem and now doesn't fit Ismael's style of play. Hopefully the right set up can invigorate him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 10:25:22 GMT
He’s on £15,000 a week. I don’t think his wage will reduce, but he could perhaps get more elsewhere. Really hope not though, he’s brilliant. Totally agree. How do you know what players earn, if you don't mind me asking? It's always been a mystery to me how people find out. Fair to say they don't as player's contracts are actually confidential, the MLS being an exception . Tabloids often will guess and of course exaggerate them. An ex gf of mine was good friends with an ex Coventry player's gf and she used to enjoy reading the forums etc and seeing how much the Coventry fans claimed he was on. She said she wished was true but was just plucking figures out of thin air.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 20, 2021 10:25:56 GMT
True but circumstances different. Fuller had a long list of injuries and discipline issues. Fee was based on appearances. Higgy had fallen out with the owner. With this one it seems primarily like he wasn't up to the Prem and now doesn't fit Ismael's style of play. Hopefully the right set up can invigorate him.[/b] Hope we don't end up needing to resuscitate him on the pitch! (perhaps too much. Apologies)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 20, 2021 10:26:04 GMT
I don’t entirely follow the ‘three centre backs good on the ball means you don’t need a DM’ argument - being good on the ball isn’t really the top priority of a DM and if anything they’d offer more protection when one of your CBs steps forward. As far as I can see most teams who play with a back three still play with at least one DM. I worry slightly that we might look a bit lightweight against the better teams in the league. We have some real quality options in the middle of the park now though and maybe this will prompt Allen to finally settle into being the anchor in the way he is for Wales? He was great in the week in that role. It’s a gamble, but an exciting gamble, and whole we’re creating chances and scoring goals I’m just enjoying seeing where it’s going. It’s worlds better than the last few seasons. Early evidence on the rest of the teams suggests there aren’t many better teams. Maybe MON is confident he can boss midfield with good footballers, which is pretty exciting. Think there's enough, hard to know until we play them. Hopefully we'll prove the contenders we looked on Tuesday, though we'll face considerably toughe challenges than we have so far.
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 20, 2021 10:26:07 GMT
I believe that the Stoke publicity and public relations office use equipment and technology that was initially acquired back in the day when The Enigma Machine represented cutting edge communication. Stoke-on-Trent has always been at the forefront of technology. When I worked in IT I worked with a guy who'd first learned to program at North Staffs Poly on an old LEO, believed to be the last one still operating.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 20, 2021 10:28:02 GMT
I believe that the Stoke publicity and public relations office use equipment and technology that was initially acquired back in the day when The Enigma Machine represented cutting edge communication. Stoke-on-Trent has always been at the forefront of technology. When I worked in IT I worked with a guy who'd first learned to program at North Staffs Poly on an old LEO, believed to be the last one still operating. You can smile. My first computer training was at the old Wolverhampton Polytechnic, using a binary computer and Fortran programming!
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 20, 2021 10:29:19 GMT
Meanwhile...why hasn't Powell signed a new contract? Because he's waiting to see if we improve it. Why would he rush in his situation? Do we know what the extent of his injury is? Perhaps MON realises he is out for a long spell and can't rely on Vrancic to play every match. Perhaps neither of them are available for Saturday so he has moved quickly so that he can keep the same shape to the team? Lots of unknowns of which new contract negotiations for Powell is only one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 10:38:03 GMT
I think this improves the first team.
I dont get all the clamour for this ball winning midfield destroyer type. I mean, who are they? How are they defined? Where are they? Does every team have one besides us? Is having one a pre requisite to success?
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 20, 2021 10:46:55 GMT
I can see Joe Allen moving on
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 20, 2021 10:47:50 GMT
LGH87: "Signed this morning by the way, for anyone wondering about announcements or worrying he may not be eligible for tomorrow". I believe that the Stoke publicity and public relations office use equipment and technology that was initially acquired back in the day when The Enigma Machine represented cutting edge communication. Not true, They are looking for the pen knife to sharpen their quills.
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Post by Caddick988 on Aug 20, 2021 10:50:52 GMT
Speaking to a WBA friend of mine he basically outlined the points made by others on here. He mentioned that Sawyers got good quality on the ball, can spot a pass and score a goal but he doesn't fit in with Ismael's high pressing style of play. Nor did he fit in with Big Sam's defensive style of play either, which is why I think Sawyers made most of his EPL appearances earlier on in the season under Bilic.
I think he'll provide good competition for Clucas, almost in an 8 role rather than a 10. I would have still liked us to have signed a more defensive minded midfielder too though such as a Garner or Baxter but maybe with having Ostigard, Wilmot and Souttar as a back 3 we won't need as much cover in midfield.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 20, 2021 11:00:58 GMT
I can see Joe Allen moving on As things stand, we need him.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 20, 2021 11:03:24 GMT
He’s on £15,000 a week. I don’t think his wage will reduce, but he could perhaps get more elsewhere. Really hope not though, he’s brilliant. Totally agree. How do you know what players earn, if you don't mind me asking? It's always been a mystery to me how people find out. To be honest I don’t know for sure but the only two answers I found on Google matched what the usually very accurate Football Manager says too so even if it’s not 100% accurate I reckon it’s very much close.
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 20, 2021 11:03:26 GMT
I can see Joe Allen moving on We’re not going to make him our captain to then move him on a couple weeks later.
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Post by RF10 on Aug 20, 2021 11:07:19 GMT
I can see Joe Allen moving on We’re not going to make him our captain to then move him on a couple weeks later. Making anyone but Allen captain would have stood out as a clear issue.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 20, 2021 11:14:05 GMT
I can see Joe Allen moving on We’re not going to make him our captain to then move him on a couple weeks later. I don't think the captaincy will guarantee he will stay either
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2021 11:14:40 GMT
Wonder if he’s training with the first team today….
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Post by questionable on Aug 20, 2021 11:15:29 GMT
He’s on £15,000 a week. I don’t think his wage will reduce, but he could perhaps get more elsewhere. Really hope not though, he’s brilliant. Totally agree. How do you know what players earn, if you don't mind me asking? It's always been a mystery to me how people find out. We actually found a certain John Clarke’s wage slip many years ago up at Keene University, can’t recall the exact amount but it wasn’t a lot. And there’s always ways of finding things, depends on who you know 😉
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 20, 2021 11:20:24 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if he trained with the squad yesterday & today.
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