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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 3, 2019 10:05:35 GMT
In the starting formation I can't see a place for either, but given Jones' half decent record of converting players to certain positions, I wouldn't be too shocked to see McClean used in the left back position. I think he has played there before at WBA too. Bet they will be pretty unhappy in the camp given regular starters last season? Probably, but if they'd made a more significant impact then none of this would be necessary I guess. Ince in particular looked great for a short two month spell or so which co-incided with Rowett's "best period" but never seemed to reach it again. He was clearly carrying a knock before that period too.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 3, 2019 10:08:05 GMT
Indeed, I love the idea of a diamond but it does hamstring certain players in the squad because it's a little more restrictive than more conventional formations. Verlinden's still young so you would hope would have some measure of versatility. If not, I agree it's hard to see where he will feature. I don’t tbh. Always loved watching wingers and this totally stops that. Yeah you have the full backs but I love it when you have the two of them teaming up down the flank. Verlinden is a fantastic young talent, he should ask to leave imo. That's fair and down to personal preference I guess, I personally love the overloads you can get with a diamond and having 2 real focal points in midfield. Would be a shame if Verlinden can't find his way here, he's been mighty impressive in his cameos.
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Post by neddy on Jul 3, 2019 10:08:30 GMT
Bet they will be pretty unhappy in the camp given regular starters last season? Probably, but if they'd made a more significant impact then none of this would be necessary I guess. Ince in particular looked great for a short two month spell or so which co-incided with Rowett's "best period" but never seemed to reach it again. He was clearly carrying a knock before that period too. We could end up with unhappy players both in and out of the squad......really hoping I’m over worrying this?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 3, 2019 10:11:22 GMT
Probably, but if they'd made a more significant impact then none of this would be necessary I guess. Ince in particular looked great for a short two month spell or so which co-incided with Rowett's "best period" but never seemed to reach it again. He was clearly carrying a knock before that period too. We could end up with unhappy players both in and out of the squad......really hoping I’m over worrying this? Results are a huge factor, I'm personally not a big believer in "characters" changing or uplifting a dressing room. A winning dressing room is a happy dressing room irrespective of the people within it. Valid concerns but one of those we'll just have to wait and see what happens with.
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Post by stokefan1972 on Jul 3, 2019 17:12:24 GMT
So he gives the game away every match?
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Jul 3, 2019 17:23:15 GMT
Goal Keeper Right Back Centre Half Left Back Left Half Right Half Right Wing Inside Right Centre Forward Inside Left Left Wing
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 3, 2019 17:34:12 GMT
I’m more worried about where this leaves Verlinden. Hasn’t Jones said he’s trying to convert Verlinden into a no10 so I’d imagine Ince is out the door if he can.
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Post by stokefan1972 on Jul 3, 2019 17:41:38 GMT
I’m more worried about where this leaves Verlinden. Hasn’t Jones said he’s trying to convert Verlinden into a no10 so I’d imagine Ince is out the door if he can. no
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2019 17:43:25 GMT
I’m more worried about where this leaves Verlinden. Hasn’t Jones said he’s trying to convert Verlinden into a no10 so I’d imagine Ince is out the door if he can. I mean he should be able to do it but the lads a very good winger. Use him as such.
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Post by jebbstuart on Jul 3, 2019 17:56:24 GMT
the problem of playing one system is people work it out and counter it. a few teams make great starts to seasons then get worked out and then you got to adapt. remember Blackpool in the premier great start disaster when there got found out and had not got the players or ability to change. with a diamond you can play 5 in midfield to counter or use the through ball to a quick striker expose the space behind a back line means you got to have speedy wing backs who can shift up and back to provide cover.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 3, 2019 23:09:03 GMT
There's not enough proof it'll work in this division really is there.
Massive gamble
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 4, 2019 6:57:17 GMT
There's not enough proof it'll work in this division really is there. Massive gamble It's worked to a degree in higher and lower leagues, and in this one a while back - are we saying this is a black hole league where it doesn't work for unspecified reasons? Get the right players in and it'll work fine, just like any other system. The issue is that the players we need and the kind of style the manager has spoken of doesn't really yet tally with the players we've brought in. We actually looked pretty decent at the end of last season with the sort of back three/diamond hybrid, do we think that's dead now? Would allow us to play Collins and two strikers.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 4, 2019 7:52:38 GMT
Goal Keeper Right Back Centre Half Left Back Left Half Right Half Right Wing Inside Right Centre Forward Inside Left Left Wing I might put my centre half between my right and left halves, but you have nailed it. On the title of the thread, I saw The Fabled Diamond last week on some god-forsaken twighlight-zone channel. More 4 Plus 1 or similar. Not one of the greatest adaptations of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's work. I think Holmes was sky high on opium for most of it.
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Post by ash on Jul 4, 2019 8:55:01 GMT
Hasn’t Jones said he’s trying to convert Verlinden into a no10 so I’d imagine Ince is out the door if he can. I mean he should be able to do it but the lads a very good winger. Use him as such. I guess the question is, could he be an even better number 10 than a winger? At this moment in time, surprisingly even you don't know that Bayern!
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Post by ash on Jul 4, 2019 8:57:12 GMT
There's not enough proof it'll work in this division really is there. Massive gamble Gamble or not, I'm sure it can't be worse than last season!
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 4, 2019 9:06:35 GMT
There's not enough proof it'll work in this division really is there. Massive gamble Gamble or not, I'm sure it can't be worse than last season! Why do I feel like I’ve heard that a lot in recent years
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Post by ash on Jul 4, 2019 9:11:39 GMT
Gamble or not, I'm sure it can't be worse than last season! Why do I feel like I’ve heard that a lot in recent years I've said it for three years now! Sooner or later it's got to come true!
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Post by stokeson on Jul 4, 2019 9:26:07 GMT
The last person to search for a fabled -diamond (the Pink Panther.) was Inspector Jacques Clouseu and look how that turned out. "Monkey."
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2019 16:40:01 GMT
Looks like it's been diamond, diamond, diamond in training - to the point where he isn't as yet sure what the secondary formation will be? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-msv-duisburg-jones-3089096“We were forced into making a change in our shape for the first-half performance because Thibaud (Verlinden) was unavailable. “So we had to play three at the back with the personnel we had available. "We just tried something new and it was a good workout because they’re not a bad side to be fair to them and they are four to five weeks into their pre-season. "Then second half we were much more fluent and that’s understandable with the shape we put out because that’s the shape we’ve been working on. “We have to have a Plan B. Whether it will be that shape I don’t know. It was just a case of the personnel available"
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 13, 2019 16:44:42 GMT
We should try the double diamond - works wonders apparently
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 13, 2019 16:45:14 GMT
I'm a fan, 2 strikers and a player in the hole, attacking football. What is not to like
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 13, 2019 16:47:21 GMT
Looks like it's been diamond, diamond, diamond in training - to the point where he isn't as yet sure what the secondary formation will be? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-msv-duisburg-jones-3089096“We were forced into making a change in our shape for the first-half performance because Thibaud (Verlinden) was unavailable. “So we had to play three at the back with the personnel we had available. "We just tried something new and it was a good workout because they’re not a bad side to be fair to them and they are four to five weeks into their pre-season. "Then second half we were much more fluent and that’s understandable with the shape we put out because that’s the shape we’ve been working on. “We have to have a Plan B. Whether it will be that shape I don’t know. It was just a case of the personnel available" Sounds to me like hes saying to the board we definitely need a couple of more players. Chop chop chopper.. I mean scholes
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Post by musik on Jul 13, 2019 17:28:13 GMT
I'm a 4-4-2 4-3-3 4-1-2-1-2 4-5-1 3-5-2 3-3-2-2 5-3-1-1 5-3-2 4-2-4 4-3-1-2 4-3-2-1 3-4-3 3-5-1-1 5-2-3 5-2-2-1 5-1-3-1 5-1-1-1-1-1 4-1-4-1 2-5-3 1-4-2-3 . . . . and more, man myself.
What I mean is a manager's team should always be able to adapt several times during a game - to the opponents!
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Post by nott1 on Jul 13, 2019 17:56:39 GMT
We should try the double diamond - works wonders apparently Stop showing your age...whatever happened to that anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 19:36:17 GMT
I’m more worried about where this leaves Verlinden. Hasn’t Jones said he’s trying to convert Verlinden into a no10 so I’d imagine Ince is out the door if he can. I don't know if Jones said that, but he did try Thibo there for about 15-20 mins versus Norwich. Then he drifted off towards the left wing Bojanstyle and was promptly hauled off Bojanstyle. And only made a brief sub a couple games later. I think it's a lot to ask a young player not schooled in the position to suddenly adopt a new role, especially the 10 role, which requires a fair amount of vision just simply in the matter of being the creative spinner in the team, the "headlight" that sees everything before it actually happens, sees the pockets of space ahead where there are none, before he creates them. It requires also a great deal of match experience and an understanding of how your team mates makes runs, if they can score on their first touch, all sorts of things, which you really cannot expect from a player not even established in the team, despite the marvellous talents of the young guy. About the only players I can think of who were able to do that as teenagers are people like Cruyff, Laudrup, or Messi. Thibo might be one like them someday, but not just yet.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 13, 2019 23:14:12 GMT
I'm a 4-4-2 4-3-3 4-1-2-1-2 4-5-1 3-5-2 3-3-2-2 5-3-1-1 5-3-2 4-2-4 4-3-1-2 4-3-2-1 3-4-3 3-5-1-1 5-2-3 5-2-2-1 5-1-3-1 5-1-1-1-1-1 4-1-4-1 2-5-3 1-4-2-3 . . . . and more, man myself. What I mean is a manager's team should always be able to adapt several times during a game - to the opponents! 👌 I like the fifth one down, personally. But I might have mentioned that before.....
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