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Post by Gods on May 31, 2019 23:59:56 GMT
Couldn't agree more with not getting the love in for him. Had a few moments of genius in a career he pissed up the wall. So did George Best. George Best was cool, handsome, smart and iconic, the 5th Beatle. I never quite get the comparison with Gazza who always seemed like a simpleton to me.
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 1, 2019 0:01:41 GMT
Good player but can't understand why he's so adorable, he is a complete bell end, before you all start banging on about addiction, there are billions of people around the world with addiction's and get little help or none at all. He has had loads of chances of help which I understand he has little control but he's not alone, George Best was a smililar character but Gazza couldn't lace Best's boots.
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Jun 1, 2019 0:16:37 GMT
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Post by marrer on Jun 1, 2019 0:16:37 GMT
He might've won more medals but his life would have unravelled the same. The main problems come when the playing career ends. George Best used to get annoyed how everyone seemed to know his life story and made incorrect assumptions. Best said clearly his drinking spiralled out of control when he finished playing.... so he went to play in the USA and the format of their league didn't really help. Gascoigne is similar. Unhinged though he's always been, playing gave him a focus and structure. And despite what they like to imply, when you finish you get wiped like a dirty arse. To be fair, every sport is the same. Look at our own AFL, Ben Cousins is no different to Gazza Greg Inglis is a current example. Struggling with depression.
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Jun 1, 2019 0:20:42 GMT
Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 1, 2019 0:20:42 GMT
George Best was cool, handsome, smart and iconic, the 5th Beatle. I never quite get the comparison with Gazza who always seemed like a simpleton to me. Although crude I think your description (simpleton) may be the root of the problem, from family, so called friends and advisors I wonder how much genuine support and guidance was there in the early years of his professional career. Setting standards and values, keeping feet firmly on the ground. No excuses. I just wonder how he coped with all the hype and subsequent media pressure, even now are looking for a story/ headline.
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Jun 1, 2019 0:22:19 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 1, 2019 0:22:19 GMT
yep...he didn't turn up for a WC friendly just when the final squad was to be announced totally out of shape. Apologies Well shit the bed a WC friendly, don't worry Hoddle got his own back when he left him out of the squad when even with his problems he was one if not the best player we had. In the build up to the 1998 tournament Gascoigne was clearly unfit. Glenn Hoddle made huge headlines by omitting him from the squad. But what initially seemed a controversial decision turned out not to be controversial at all. More just an obvious management decision that simply had to be confirmed. Gascoigne’s lack of fitness and drinking had become a serious problem, and being photographed buying a kebab didn’t help. In his autobiography Paul Gascoigne described his own violent reaction to the news and that his mindset at the time in itself was enough to justify the decision. He was clearly unhinged and being at close quarters with the squad for a month could have led to all sorts of problems. And him being too unfit to play effectively meant it just wasn’t worth the risk. Paul Gascoigne’s life had been unravelling for several years and in Hoddles room at La Manga his England career finally reached a sad undignified end.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Jun 1, 2019 0:32:10 GMT
Sad to see. Gazza used to get me off my seat, as did Ricardo Fuller, these players are few and far between.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 1, 2019 1:00:00 GMT
Why would you post such a video about someone who’s clearly suffering with his addiction again. To highlight it and hope someone kicks his arse (metaphorically) into gear? Yeah, that'll inspire him.
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 1, 2019 2:59:25 GMT
Couldn't agree more with not getting the love in for him. Had a few moments of genius in a career he pissed up the wall. So did George Best. George Best had more than a few moments of genius, He shit all over Gazza as a player, genius, Gascoigne wasn't in the same class.
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Jun 1, 2019 3:39:48 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 1, 2019 3:39:48 GMT
George Best had more than a few moments of genius, He shit all over Gazza as a player, genius, Gascoigne wasn't in the same class. Agree. Best is in the top five greatest players ever. It's sad he left top level football so young but a lot of people overlook how many medals he won and the impact he had. It was a social thing as well as a football thing.
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Jun 1, 2019 3:42:12 GMT
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jun 1, 2019 3:42:12 GMT
A 19 second video never tells a full story...
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Jun 1, 2019 4:56:10 GMT
Post by starkiller on Jun 1, 2019 4:56:10 GMT
He's ill and needs help. He has a disease. He seems to have very shit friends. Don't blame the friends. I bet he's had plenty of help but selfish man-babies like him will treat them like shit.
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Jun 1, 2019 5:14:36 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 1, 2019 5:14:36 GMT
Maybe I’m being a bit harsh yes he was a extremely talented footballer who was man managed badly
Yes you can pity his mental health illness Yes you can pity his addiction problems
But there are plenty of people out there who struggle with alcoholism or drugs some with success others unfortunately with pain suffering and eventual failure at a huge cost to family and friends
But they don’t resort to violence to women to commit violence to a woman is in my eyes lower than snakes belly button He’s really unfortunately no better than the other women beating scum
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Jun 1, 2019 5:47:56 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 1, 2019 5:47:56 GMT
He's ill and needs help. He has a disease. He seems to have very shit friends. Sorry mate have too disagree, he's had plenty of support and offerings from friends, take a look at some of the people who sleep rough who have fuck all and have mental health problems. This guy was good at his job but made a tit of himself 99% of the time, any other person with this disease who can't fart or belch on camera, stick their tongue out or just make a prick of themselves doesn't get a look in.
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Jun 1, 2019 6:20:31 GMT
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Post by kelw on Jun 1, 2019 6:20:31 GMT
yep...he didn't turn up for a WC friendly just when the final squad was to be announced totally out of shape. Apologies Obviously you have never suffered from a serious mental health issue or drug addiction. He never let anybody down he just didnt have the career he could of had and the one we all wanted him to. Amazing how people make excuses for people they like and the likes of Berahinho isn't fit to breathe the same air
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Jun 1, 2019 6:25:43 GMT
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Post by kelw on Jun 1, 2019 6:25:43 GMT
George Best was cool, handsome, smart and iconic, the 5th Beatle. I never quite get the comparison with Gazza who always seemed like a simpleton to me. Gascoigne achieved so little as a player and like yourself never saw the hype either. Had 4 or 5.moments of brilliance but little more. Certainly had talent but put his country second to looning about but some still can't see bad in him and still make excuse after excuse. He is a simpleton no doubt and surrounded himself with similar. The only similarity with Best was their unreliability, light years apart as players
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Post by jeycov on Jun 1, 2019 6:29:12 GMT
George Best had more than a few moments of genius, He shit all over Gazza as a player, genius, Gascoigne wasn't in the same class. Social media wasn’t about in the Best era, that hasn’t helped Gazza
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Jun 1, 2019 6:29:33 GMT
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Post by kelw on Jun 1, 2019 6:29:33 GMT
yep...he didn't turn up for a WC friendly just when the final squad was to be announced totally out of shape. Apologies Well shit the bed a WC friendly, don't worry Hoddle got his own back when he left him out of the squad when even with his problems he was one if not the best player we had. A friendly v Tunisia the week before the final squad was selected 3 weeks before the tournament. The state he turned up in was a disgrace to his country. Hoddle had no choice and he was blowing out of his arse after 15 mins and not fit to play...yeah he was to blame for Gascoignes's condition I guess.
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Jun 1, 2019 6:52:45 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 1, 2019 6:52:45 GMT
It beggars belief some question his omission from the 98 squad. It was absolutely the right decision from Hoddle.
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Jun 1, 2019 7:24:16 GMT
Post by waffles on Jun 1, 2019 7:24:16 GMT
This can only end one way, what a waste.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2019 7:34:19 GMT
Maybe I’m being a bit harsh yes he was a extremely talented footballer who was man managed badly Yes you can pity his mental health illness Yes you can pity his addiction problems But there are plenty of people out there who struggle with alcoholism or drugs some with success others unfortunately with pain suffering and eventual failure at a huge cost to family and friends But they don’t resort to violence to women to commit violence to a woman is in my eyes lower than snakes belly button He’s really unfortunately no better than the other women beating scum Spot on if he wasn’t a footballer he’d be castigated. But because he was it’s all about his demons and how he was the funniest man alive. Should have joined Man U. Fergie May just have sorted him and his freeloaders out. Venables pretty much let him do what he wanted provided he performed.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 1, 2019 7:38:11 GMT
There's always been a fine line between genius and mental illness.
Gazzas problems have always been 'internal' his external environment are secondary.
His footballing ability just gave him the financial means to fuel his internal state
(No pun intended)
Without doubt the greatest English player of his generation.
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Post by Goonie on Jun 1, 2019 7:45:26 GMT
As many have said he is responsible for his own demise yet I agree he is a troubled, self-defeating soul
He will never recover though unless he wants to
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Jun 1, 2019 8:32:21 GMT
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Post by stokie63 on Jun 1, 2019 8:32:21 GMT
Sadio berra in 30 years time that is, a total waste of space hes had plenty of chances to turn his life around and screwed them all up he will be dead within 5 years if he carries on living like that sad but true.
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Jun 1, 2019 9:00:24 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 1, 2019 9:00:24 GMT
George Best had more than a few moments of genius, He shit all over Gazza as a player, genius, Gascoigne wasn't in the same class. Social media wasn’t about in the Best era, that hasn’t helped Gazza Social media wasn't a thing during Gascoignes career. And he was known to be unhinged a long time before Facebook or Twitter.
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Jun 1, 2019 9:09:49 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 1, 2019 9:09:49 GMT
I know I'll get pelters but Gazza was a huge hero, wonderful player, could go past people like they weren't there and a great character, the world cup in 1990 belonged to him, the goal against the Scots was pure genius.
I know he's had chances, I know he's been the wrong side of the law but I love him all the same and hope he gets his life back on track.
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Jun 1, 2019 9:15:52 GMT
Post by kelw on Jun 1, 2019 9:15:52 GMT
Did someone above seriously say that Best only had 4 or 5 moments of genius???? Nothing you can say to that
A great example of Gascoigne to me was a story he told on Soccer AM. Went for a night out on the eve of a Rangers game, drunk himself daft then went to a restaurant and stuck his head in a lobster tank. He then laughed about having to miss the game the following day as a result yet those listening were giving the usual Gazza, what a legend nonsense. If I was a kid or fan dying to see him play that day how let down would you be but not to mention him laughing about it and obviously not giving a toss. As Joe said, anyone who criticised Hoddle for not picking him is deluded.
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Jun 1, 2019 9:16:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 9:16:46 GMT
Looks like he’s got a bad case of cirrhosis too now. Dead within 6 months
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Post by RAF on Jun 1, 2019 9:31:14 GMT
Both Best and Gazza had great talent. Both underachieved in their careers and both were intent on killing themselves early doors. One has succeded and the other is nearly there. Very sad and pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 10:06:18 GMT
Absolutely love the bloke. And it really does sadden me to see things like that. The bloke was an absolute genius with a ball at his feet. Over the last 30 odd years I can’t ever remember an English footballer like him.
The bloke is the reason I fell in love with football, the player I aspired to be when down forest park with the lads.
Come on Gazza
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 1, 2019 10:22:15 GMT
Absolutely love the bloke. And it really does sadden me to see things like that. The bloke was an absolute genius with a ball at his feet. Over the last 30 odd years I can’t ever remember an English footballer like him. The bloke is the reason I fell in love with football, the player I aspired to be when down forest park with the lads. Come on Gazza I honestly believe if he had chosen Man. Utd over Spurs under SAF rather than wide boy TV this could have been a totally different ending, Gazza needed a strong resilient manager to curb his behaviour instead he chose the London lights and a spiv.
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