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Gazza
Jun 5, 2019 6:46:12 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Jun 5, 2019 6:46:12 GMT
Incorrect. Best’s problem with booze only really started after his career was over. It was well publized he was a lad about town with women and booze! "The family weren't really aware of George's problems. It was only much later that people realised George had a drinking problem. He was young and people thought he was living an idyllic lifestyle. In a way, he was the first superstar footballer - the first Beckham. Now, people like that are given guidance. But, for George and for Ann, this was treacherous and uncharted territory." Best, whose drinking curtailed his glittering career and who fought a public battle against alcoholism, died aged 59 from a kidney infection, a side-effect of the immunosuppressive drugs he was required to take after a liver transplant.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 5, 2019 7:25:07 GMT
It’s a great shame for Gascoigne and for anyone with mental health, but what really pisses me off is any ordinary bloke/woman in his situation wouldn’t get a second look. He was a good player but not the hero people make out. Before he went off the rails and was still playing he behaved like a child who’d never grown up, beat his wife and was generally a complete bell end. Mental health is an awful thing too suffer but this guy for all his demons still seems to refuse help whereas the average person on the street who’s suffering struggles to get a second chance. It's pathetic how some people let drink ruin their lives and does the drink come first or the mental problems? It’s not that black and white though. Addiction is, amongst others, part genetic, part psychological and some research has suggested that viruses can play a part. Any of these can be triggered by life’s experiences. Success, failure, rejection, traumatic events and abuse are just a few of these triggers for some people. Then there is the addiction itself that some people find too powerful to defeat once hooked. Gazza does present a pathetic figure, if pathetic is the right word, but let’s cut him some slack .............. I’m sure there will be some on here who have walked a mile in his shoes and understand the complexities of addiction.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jun 5, 2019 7:48:59 GMT
Mate, I think you're wasting your time. Some people have absolutely no idea what other people go through, hence their ignorance. It's all very well being judgemental when you have zero grasp on life outside your bubble. Thankfully there are people who actually care and try to support people who may not have had the luxury of a stable upbringing. I have plenty of sympathy for people with addictions, especially those who are sleeping rough in and around Stoke on Trent. He still has all the luxury's what the average joe with his condition doesn't, he has chance after chance and people keep thinking, poor old Gazza, while you walk past people in doorways on your way to work and don't give a second glance. You may walk past people in doorways without giving them a second glance mate, I don't. Just because someone has lots of money it doesn't mean that they are without their own problems. The pressure and media attention obviously took its toll on Gazza and I bet he's often wished to be an 'average Joe'.
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Post by ballboytoday on Jun 5, 2019 8:11:04 GMT
Incorrect. Best’s problem with booze only really started after his career was over. It was well publized he was a lad about town with women and booze! "The family weren't really aware of George's problems. It was only much later that people realised George had a drinking problem. He was young and people thought he was living an idyllic lifestyle. In a way, he was the first superstar footballer - the first Beckham. Now, people like that are given guidance. But, for George and for Ann, this was treacherous and uncharted territory." Best, whose drinking curtailed his glittering career and who fought a public battle against alcoholism, died aged 59 from a kidney infection, a side-effect of the immunosuppressive drugs he was required to take after a liver transplant. Best's problem with booze didn't start after his career was over, it finished his career at 27. No show for days on end, missing training. Do you think he was somewhere having a coffee!
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Gazza
Jun 5, 2019 8:23:47 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 5, 2019 8:23:47 GMT
It was well publized he was a lad about town with women and booze! "The family weren't really aware of George's problems. It was only much later that people realised George had a drinking problem. He was young and people thought he was living an idyllic lifestyle. In a way, he was the first superstar footballer - the first Beckham. Now, people like that are given guidance. But, for George and for Ann, this was treacherous and uncharted territory." Best, whose drinking curtailed his glittering career and who fought a public battle against alcoholism, died aged 59 from a kidney infection, a side-effect of the immunosuppressive drugs he was required to take after a liver transplant. Best's problem with booze didn't start after his career was over, it finished his career at 27. No show for days on end, missing training. Do you think he was somewhere having a coffee! No, shagging miss World.
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Gazza
Jun 5, 2019 8:25:48 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 5, 2019 8:25:48 GMT
It was well publized he was a lad about town with women and booze! "The family weren't really aware of George's problems. It was only much later that people realised George had a drinking problem. He was young and people thought he was living an idyllic lifestyle. In a way, he was the first superstar footballer - the first Beckham. Now, people like that are given guidance. But, for George and for Ann, this was treacherous and uncharted territory." Best, whose drinking curtailed his glittering career and who fought a public battle against alcoholism, died aged 59 from a kidney infection, a side-effect of the immunosuppressive drugs he was required to take after a liver transplant. Best's problem with booze didn't start after his career was over, it finished his career at 27. No show for days on end, missing training. Do you think he was somewhere having a coffee! It wasn’t aimed at you directly mate.
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Gazza
Jun 5, 2019 8:29:49 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 5, 2019 8:29:49 GMT
It was well publized he was a lad about town with women and booze! "The family weren't really aware of George's problems. It was only much later that people realised George had a drinking problem. He was young and people thought he was living an idyllic lifestyle. In a way, he was the first superstar footballer - the first Beckham. Now, people like that are given guidance. But, for George and for Ann, this was treacherous and uncharted territory." Best, whose drinking curtailed his glittering career and who fought a public battle against alcoholism, died aged 59 from a kidney infection, a side-effect of the immunosuppressive drugs he was required to take after a liver transplant. Best's problem with booze didn't start after his career was over, it finished his career at 27. No show for days on end, missing training. Do you think he was somewhere having a coffee! For most of his career Best drank but no more than any other player of the era. In fact a lot of the time he was one of the few shit/Man City players who didn't really go out drinking after Wednesdays. He did used to do the disappearance act but he wasn't necessarily out on a bender. On one bizarre occasion he was at Sinead Cusack's house with the press camped outside. Often he just wanted to escape the intense media attention.
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Post by madnellie on Jun 5, 2019 21:02:31 GMT
I have plenty of sympathy for people with addictions, especially those who are sleeping rough in and around Stoke on Trent. He still has all the luxury's what the average joe with his condition doesn't, he has chance after chance and people keep thinking, poor old Gazza, while you walk past people in doorways on your way to work and don't give a second glance. You may walk past people in doorways without giving them a second glance mate, I don't. Just because someone has lots of money it doesn't mean that they are without their own problems. The pressure and media attention obviously took its toll on Gazza and I bet he's often wished to be an 'average Joe'. Completely agree with this. Every embarrassing thing he's done while drinking/drugging is public knowledge and I'm pretty sure he can't walk down the street without some idiot trying to buy him a beer because he's Gazza, the lad. I'm honestly not sure I'd be able to stay sober in the face of that either.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 5, 2019 21:32:25 GMT
I'm honestly not sure I'd be able to stay sober in the face of that either. Suppose it depends oh how experienced you are in drinking.
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Post by madnellie on Jun 5, 2019 21:43:48 GMT
I'm honestly not sure I'd be able to stay sober in the face of that either. Suppose it depends oh how experienced you are in drinking. On a scale of Dalai Lama to Gazza? 42 😁
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2019 2:30:34 GMT
Every time I see his name in a headline I expect the worst. As Terry Venables said... only Gazza can save Gazza.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jun 8, 2019 12:04:13 GMT
Paul Gascoigne was a great player as was George Best but i have no sympathy for him because the state that he is in is of his own doing and soon he will be in the same.place as George Best
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Post by numberounominion on Jun 8, 2019 12:24:58 GMT
I read his autobiography, which is well written, perhaps because he narrated it, and a sports journey wrote it up.
Massive things happened in his childhood that he never recovered from.
I don't remember the exact dates but when he was kid he was forever dragging his dad down the park, for a kick about and people would half joke give your dad a rest, you will be the death of him etc and when his dad died of cancer when gazza was about 12 he half wondered if he had caused it by stressing him out . Obviously that's a misconception that would have cleared but two more things happened that really upset gazza and never left him
When he was about 14 ish he picked up a 9 year old, who idolised him to go for a kick about, buy some sweets from the shop. He promised his mum, no kicking the ball along the pavement and showing off, it's a dangerous road that, save it for the park... Yeah yeah blah blah... Gazza gets round the corner and starts showing off his footie skills and miscontrols the ball, the nine year old runs between two parked cars and is ran over and killed. gazza totally blames himself for the boys death
A couple of years later gazza talks a boy into leaving Middlesbrough youth ( might have been Sunderland?) to join Newcastle youth. The lad was about 16 or 17 and would miss out on some money by joining Newcastle, so gazza promises he will get him a job at a builders merchant for the summer to see him quids in, the lad is killed at the builders merchants when a load of something drops on him and gazza blames himself that too
A very troubled childhood
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Post by zerps on Jun 8, 2019 12:25:18 GMT
Bit harsh to blame alcohol addiction on the person its taken hold of. Most people like a drink. Some people literally can’t escape it. It’s very much a disease.
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Post by zerps on Jun 8, 2019 12:59:11 GMT
Paul Gascoigne was a great player as was George Best but i have no sympathy for him because the state that he is in is of his own doing and soon he will be in the same.place as George Best Not sure how to tell you this but we’ll all soon be in the same place as george best 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 13:14:53 GMT
Paul Gascoigne was a great player as was George Best but i have no sympathy for him because the state that he is in is of his own doing and soon he will be in the same.place as George Best That’s an absolutely disgraceful thing so say. Mental Wellbeing is a massive issue, and a horrible illness. Yes, he gets himself into a mess, but I suspect that his demons take him to very dark places. I sincerely hope you never find yourself in a similar position.
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Post by loosestools on Jun 8, 2019 14:51:58 GMT
Paul Gascoigne was a great player as was George Best but i have no sympathy for him because the state that he is in is of his own doing and soon he will be in the same.place as George Best That's very much a 'holier than thou' attitude and shows no understanding of addiction issues. I know of people in hospital dying for a drink whilst dying of liver cirrhosis - its that bad. And I like a pint, its scary.
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Gazza
Jun 8, 2019 15:05:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 15:05:19 GMT
Paul Gascoigne was a great player as was George Best but i have no sympathy for him because the state that he is in is of his own doing and soon he will be in the same.place as George Best That’s an absolutely disgraceful thing so say. Mental Wellbeing is a massive issue, and a horrible illness. Yes, he gets himself into a mess, but I suspect that his demons take him to very dark places. I sincerely hope you never find yourself in a similar position. Just shows how ignorant some people are.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jun 8, 2019 20:22:37 GMT
I have an opinion like everyone else and if you dont like it i dont really care. All you can do if it doesnt agree with yours is make sarcastic comments. You need to grow up
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Gazza
Jun 8, 2019 20:29:04 GMT
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Post by zerps on Jun 8, 2019 20:29:04 GMT
I have an opinion like everyone else and if you dont like it i dont really care. All you can do if it doesnt agree with yours is make sarcastic comments. You need to grow up It’s not sarcasm it’s horror
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 20:31:20 GMT
I have an opinion like everyone else and if you dont like it i dont really care. All you can do if it doesnt agree with yours is make sarcastic comments. You need to grow up Keeping digging. You’ll get as low as your comments soon.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jun 8, 2019 21:04:46 GMT
Just shut up
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Gazza
Jun 10, 2019 7:52:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 7:52:32 GMT
I read his autobiography, which is well written, perhaps because he narrated it, and a sports journey wrote it up. Massive things happened in his childhood that he never recovered from. I don't remember the exact dates but when he was kid he was forever dragging his dad down the park, for a kick about and people would half joke give your dad a rest, you will be the death of him etc and when his dad died of cancer when gazza was about 12 he half wondered if he had caused it by stressing him out . Obviously that's a misconception that would have cleared but two more things happened that really upset gazza and never left him When he was about 14 ish he picked up a 9 year old, who idolised him to go for a kick about, buy some sweets from the shop. He promised his mum, no kicking the ball along the pavement and showing off, it's a dangerous road that, save it for the park... Yeah yeah blah blah... Gazza gets round the corner and starts showing off his footie skills and miscontrols the ball, the nine year old runs between two parked cars and is ran over and killed. gazza totally blames himself for the boys death A couple of years later gazza talks a boy into leaving Middlesbrough youth ( might have been Sunderland?) to join Newcastle youth. The lad was about 16 or 17 and would miss out on some money by joining Newcastle, so gazza promises he will get him a job at a builders merchant for the summer to see him quids in, the lad is killed at the builders merchants when a load of something drops on him and gazza blames himself that too A very troubled childhood I don’t think his dad died when Gazza was a kid. There’s stories about his dad visiting him in Italy, and also a crazy story about when Gazza made his dad come to London so they could play chess against Bill Clinton (Gazza had imagined the whole thing, but his dad came down such was Gazza’s insistence)
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 12, 2019 22:15:38 GMT
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Gazza
Jun 13, 2019 7:18:14 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 13, 2019 7:18:14 GMT
I wonder how much of it will be true, throw him a few quid and he’ll make up all sorts of bullshit.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 13, 2019 8:41:52 GMT
I read his autobiography, which is well written, perhaps because he narrated it, and a sports journey wrote it up. Massive things happened in his childhood that he never recovered from. I don't remember the exact dates but when he was kid he was forever dragging his dad down the park, for a kick about and people would half joke give your dad a rest, you will be the death of him etc and when his dad died of cancer when gazza was about 12 he half wondered if he had caused it by stressing him out . Obviously that's a misconception that would have cleared but two moreover things happened that really upset gazza and never left him When he was about 14 ish he picked up a 9 year old, who idolised him to go for a kick about, buy some sweets from the shop. He promised his mum, no kicking the ball along the pavement and showing off, it's a dangerous road that, save it for the park... Yeah yeah blah blah... Gazza gets round the corner and starts showing off his footie skills and miscontrols the ball, the nine year old runs between two parked cars and is ran over and killed. gazza totally blames himself for the boys death A couple of years later gazza talks a boy into leaving Middlesbrough youth ( might have been Sunderland?) to join Newcastle youth. The lad was about 16 or 17 and would miss out on some money by joining Newcastle, so gazza promises he will get him a job at a builders merchant for the summer to see him quids in, the lad is killed at the builders merchants when a load of something drops on him and gazza blames himself that too A very troubled childhood I suspect there's an extremely good chance the press bugging his phone for fuck knows how long didn't do him much good. It's hard to imagine a life where you're constantly doubting who you can trust, there were times he told only one person about something then the next day it would be in the press, you can't live your life like that, nobody can. Some appalling attitudes towards addiction and mental health shown on this thread.
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Gazza
Jun 13, 2019 19:30:41 GMT
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jun 13, 2019 19:30:41 GMT
I have an opinion like everyone else and if you dont like it i dont really care. All you can do if it doesnt agree with yours is make sarcastic comments. You need to grow up No, you really don't care do you? That's the point. I would suggest that it is you who needs to grow up and look at the bigger picture.
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Gazza
Jun 15, 2019 6:24:20 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 15, 2019 6:24:20 GMT
It's 23 years ago today he scored that goal v Scotland.
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 15, 2019 13:36:45 GMT
Bit harsh to blame alcohol addiction on the person its taken hold of. Most people like a drink. Some people literally can’t escape it. It’s very much a disease. Environmental clues play a big role in addiction development. If you find yourself in the same situation (place, event, company whatever) then you're more likely to repeat the addictive behaviour. If you're always stuck in that environment then "escape" will be very difficult.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jun 15, 2019 13:39:28 GMT
It's 23 years ago today he scored that goal v Scotland. shit, that's made me feel old, thanks Joe
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