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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 22:27:14 GMT
The two of them are probably closer to the mainstream Labour membership than are Jezza & McDonnell. As was chairman Mao. ?
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 18, 2019 3:52:18 GMT
I reckon Owen Smith is a horrible bitter and twisted little man. Me, too. If Jezza had anything about him he would tell him and Watson to fuck off. Half of Labours front bench publicly disagrees with Corbyn and his various and varied Brexit utterances.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 6:15:44 GMT
Yet another bleedin' advert, sorry shouldn't that be "interview", with Rory Stewart already this morning on BBC Breakfast. They're really pushing his campaign aren't they !
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2019 6:39:41 GMT
Yet another bleedin' advert, sorry shouldn't that be "interview", with Rory Stewart already this morning on BBC Breakfast. They're really pushing his campaign aren't they ! Imagine that. A candidate making himself regularly available for scrutiny, rather than hiding in a bunker because he's a complete idiot who can't trust himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 6:48:20 GMT
Yet another bleedin' advert, sorry shouldn't that be "interview", with Rory Stewart already this morning on BBC Breakfast. They're really pushing his campaign aren't they ! Imagine that. A candidate making himself regularly available for scrutiny, rather than hiding in a bunker because he's a complete idiot who can't trust himself. You always pick the extremes Sheikh. I was referring more to the almost total lack of coverage being given to any of the others. The knives seem to be out for Boris due to his no-shows, and also due to who he is, but Stewart is certainly getting far more than his fair share of coverage in what should surely be more balanced exposure by the media.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 18, 2019 7:08:30 GMT
Yet another bleedin' advert, sorry shouldn't that be "interview", with Rory Stewart already this morning on BBC Breakfast. They're really pushing his campaign aren't they ! That’s because he’s a Remainer at heart. The media are grasping at anything that might see them keep their beloved EU and will even overlook that he’s a Tory.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2019 7:12:38 GMT
Imagine that. A candidate making himself regularly available for scrutiny, rather than hiding in a bunker because he's a complete idiot who can't trust himself. You always pick the extremes Sheikh. I was referring more to the almost total lack of coverage being given to any of the others. The knives seem to be out for Boris due to his no-shows, and also due to who he is, but Stewart is certainly getting far more than his fair share of coverage in what should surely be more balanced exposure by the media. There are no parity of coverage rules in Leadership contests it's basically a massive PR exercise and like it or not, Stewart is setting the agenda and winning the PR battle. He's getting more front pages in papers, many of which can't abide him as well. This is mainly because his rivals are crap or cowardly. If the media were purposely giving him an easy ride, then I think you may have a pont but I don't see that. I have no time for Stewart and his slightly bizarre ideas but if all this blows up in Johnson's face, I'll be delighted.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jun 18, 2019 7:15:12 GMT
On a lighter note...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 7:51:35 GMT
You always pick the extremes Sheikh. I was referring more to the almost total lack of coverage being given to any of the others. The knives seem to be out for Boris due to his no-shows, and also due to who he is, but Stewart is certainly getting far more than his fair share of coverage in what should surely be more balanced exposure by the media. There are no parity of coverage rules in Leadership contests it's basically a massive PR exercise and like it or not, Stewart is setting the agenda and winning the PR battle. He's getting more front pages in papers, many of which can't abide him as well. This is mainly because his rivals are crap or cowardly. If the media were purposely giving him an easy ride, then I think you may have a pont but I don't see that. I have no time for Stewart and his slightly bizarre ideas but if all this blows up in Johnson's face, I'll be delighted. Johnson's certainly not my cup of tea but he does seem the man to beat. I think Stewart is getting preferential treatment from the media and is getting an easier ride than the odd occasion when the others are interviewed. I think as others have said it's because he's essentially a remainer at heart and the media see him as their chance to influence the outcome. I agree that the rest are basically a bunch of instantly forgettable "suits".
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Jun 18, 2019 8:30:46 GMT
Imagine that. A candidate making himself regularly available for scrutiny, rather than hiding in a bunker because he's a complete idiot who can't trust himself. You always pick the extremes Sheikh. I was referring more to the almost total lack of coverage being given to any of the others. The knives seem to be out for Boris due to his no-shows, and also due to who he is, but Stewart is certainly getting far more than his fair share of coverage in what should surely be more balanced exposure by the media. I thought it was telling that Boris didn’t even turn up to the debate and BBC’s coverage of it was 90% about him. He’s the bigger story, they chuck a bone to the other’s that aren’t offering themselves up to loads of scrutiny (apart from Stewart, who seems game for every bit he can get his mitts on), but it’s all about ‘where the fuck is Boris?’
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Post by felonious on Jun 18, 2019 8:39:20 GMT
Listening to Live this morning and it sounds like the BBC are going to grill Boris on the critically important issues of the day....
Do you have 5 or 6 children?
We've seen the pictures of the inside of your car and how long have those cheese and crackers been there?
Is it true that in the past you were guilty of making jokes about icing sugar?
Why can't you vote Remain like all of the intelligent, sensible non-racist people in the UK?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2019 8:46:13 GMT
Listening to Live this morning and it sounds like the BBC are going to grill Boris on the critically important issues of the day....
Do you have 5 or 6 children?
We've seen the pictures of the inside of your car and how long have those cheese and crackers been there?
Is it true that in the past you were guilty of making jokes about icing sugar?
Why can't you vote Remain like all of the intelligent, sensible non-racist people in the UK? It says something about the character of a man when he's going to be the next Prime Minister and wont be truthful about how many children he has got. That's just not normal, I'm afraid, in any age.
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Post by 3putts on Jun 18, 2019 8:47:39 GMT
You always pick the extremes Sheikh. I was referring more to the almost total lack of coverage being given to any of the others. The knives seem to be out for Boris due to his no-shows, and also due to who he is, but Stewart is certainly getting far more than his fair share of coverage in what should surely be more balanced exposure by the media. There are no parity of coverage rules in Leadership contests it's basically a massive PR exercise and like it or not, Stewart is setting the agenda and winning the PR battle. He's getting more front pages in papers, many of which can't abide him as well. This is mainly because his rivals are crap or cowardly. If the media were purposely giving him an easy ride, then I think you may have a pont but I don't see that. I have no time for Stewart and his slightly bizarre ideas but if all this blows up in Johnson's face, I'll be delighted. They should rerun the old episodes of hignfy when Boris was a regular guest and regularly showed everyone what an ass he really is. Our next pm? Frightening
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 18, 2019 10:55:45 GMT
Andrea Leadsom backs Boris.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 18, 2019 11:03:29 GMT
Yet another bleedin' advert, sorry shouldn't that be "interview", with Rory Stewart already this morning on BBC Breakfast. They're really pushing his campaign aren't they ! That’s because he’s a Remainer at heart. The media are grasping at anything that might see them keep their beloved EU and will even overlook that he’s a Tory. If all the MP's voted like Stewart, we'd be out of the EU now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2019 11:13:49 GMT
Whilst this pantomime unfolds and the lies build, let’s remind ourselves of the kind of party that the victor is going to lead. As 100,000 dotty pensioners vote for the funny man, let’s remind ourselves that beyond Brexit these heartless arseholes have heaped misery, hardship, pain and death on tens of thousands of our citizens and the favourite can’t even be bothered to turn up and answer any questions.
Absolutely shameful.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 18, 2019 11:24:47 GMT
Whilst this pantomime unfolds and the lies build, let’s remind ourselves of the kind of party that the victor is going to lead. As 100,000 dotty pensioners vote for the funny man, let’s remind ourselves that beyond Brexit these heartless arseholes have heaped misery, hardship, pain and death on tens of thousands of our citizens and the favourite can’t even be bothered to turn up and answer any questions. Absolutely shameful. She talked bollocks all night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:18:36 GMT
Whilst this pantomime unfolds and the lies build, let’s remind ourselves of the kind of party that the victor is going to lead. As 100,000 dotty pensioners vote for the funny man, let’s remind ourselves that beyond Brexit these heartless arseholes have heaped misery, hardship, pain and death on tens of thousands of our citizens and the favourite can’t even be bothered to turn up and answer any questions. Absolutely shameful. She talked bollocks all night. You’re disputing the figures then?
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 18, 2019 12:24:53 GMT
She talked bollocks all night. You’re disputing the figures then? No I'm disputing that a policy of benefits to the undeserving is unsustainable. If testing the validity of a claim upsets folk tough. Genuine members of society in need no problem but Labour's policy of ask and we give can't go on. I have no time or sympathy for the work shy grabbers if they toughened up claims there would be more for those who really need it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:31:21 GMT
You’re disputing the figures then? No I'm disputing that a policy of benefits to the undeserving is unsustainable. If testing the validity of a claim upsets folk tough. Genuine members of society in need no problem but Labour's policy of ask and we give can't go on. I have no time or sympathy for the work shy grabbers if they toughened up claims there would be more for those who really need it. Which of the 130,000 dead that you're not disputing were "undeserving" then, just for clarity?
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 18, 2019 12:36:40 GMT
No I'm disputing that a policy of benefits to the undeserving is unsustainable. If testing the validity of a claim upsets folk tough. Genuine members of society in need no problem but Labour's policy of ask and we give can't go on. I have no time or sympathy for the work shy grabbers if they toughened up claims there would be more for those who really need it. Which of the 130,000 dead that you're not disputing were "undeserving" then, just for clarity? I said I was not disputing did I not? But if it helps I watched the full show and all she did was give hysterical views on what is going on. No thought about how to pay for all this free money just give more. It can't go on not every disabled person can't work. The wasters of this world I have no time for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:44:10 GMT
Which of the 130,000 dead that you're not disputing were "undeserving" then, just for clarity? I said I was not disputing did I not? But if it helps I watched the full show and all she did was give hysterical views on what is going on. No thought about how to pay for all this free money just give more. It can't go on not every disabled person can't work. The wasters of this world I have no time for. I know you're not disputing the figure. But you seem fairly laid back about the fact that so many people have died due to austerity, in fact you seem to be spinning it round and suggesting lots were "undeserving" cases anyway. So which of the 130,000 were "wasters?" It seems to me like you've swallowed hook like and sinker the rhetoric that benefit cheats should be the source of our anger, rather than corporations paying no tax, maverick bankers, and corrupt politicians. Lets see how quick we find money for another war in Iran, like we did in Syria and Libya. Or bribing the batshit mental DUP. Amazing how there's a "magic money tree" when it suits?
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 18, 2019 12:49:07 GMT
I said I was not disputing did I not? But if it helps I watched the full show and all she did was give hysterical views on what is going on. No thought about how to pay for all this free money just give more. It can't go on not every disabled person can't work. The wasters of this world I have no time for. I know you're not disputing the figure. But you seem fairly laid back about the fact that so many people have died due to austerity, in fact you seem to be spinning it round and suggesting lots were "undeserving" cases anyway. So which of the 130,000 were "wasters?" It seems to me like you've swallowed hook like and sinker the rhetoric that benefit cheats should be the source of our anger, rather than corporations paying no tax, maverick bankers, and corrupt politicians. Lets see how quick we find money for another war in Iran, like we did in Syria and Libya. Or bribing the batshit mental DUP. Amazing how there's a "magic money tree" when it suits? Maybe decades of pampering to the dregs of society have clouded my opions. But watching my late mother struggle alone for years while thieving drug taking scrum with more disposable income makes me sick. So I might be harsh and uncaring but only with dregs. That's why validation is key with benefit payments. The deserving get what they need not the wasters getting what they ask.
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Post by yeokel on Jun 18, 2019 14:17:53 GMT
I know you're not disputing the figure. But you seem fairly laid back about the fact that so many people have died due to austerity, in fact you seem to be spinning it round and suggesting lots were "undeserving" cases anyway. So which of the 130,000 were "wasters?" It seems to me like you've swallowed hook like and sinker the rhetoric that benefit cheats should be the source of our anger, rather than corporations paying no tax, maverick bankers, and corrupt politicians. Lets see how quick we find money for another war in Iran, like we did in Syria and Libya. Or bribing the batshit mental DUP. Amazing how there's a "magic money tree" when it suits? Maybe decades of pampering to the dregs of society have clouded my opions. But watching my late mother struggle alone for years while thieving drug taking scrum with more disposable income makes me sick. So I might be harsh and uncaring but only with dregs. That's why validation is key with benefit payments. The deserving get what they need not the wasters getting what they ask. " That's why validation is key with benefit payments. The deserving get what they need not the wasters getting what they ask." I have some sympathy for this view. The snag is that 'the dregs' are frequently unable to care for themselves (and those around them) because of drugs, alcohol, lifestyle, incompetence or whatever their excuse is, and so become ‘the needy’, often needing more expensive treatment & bailouts than if they had been given what they asked for in the first place. It can be cheaper, however unpalatable it is, to give them what they want rather than to pick up the pieces later.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 18, 2019 14:34:29 GMT
Always amazes me how many people believe that the majority of benefit claimants are dossers who get thousands of pounds per week. Of course it's all helped by 'poverty porn' TV shows & the like, designed to manipulate people into kicking fuck out of those below them, rather than puching upwards at the ones who're really rinsing this country out of billions every year.
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 18, 2019 14:38:43 GMT
Yet another bleedin' advert, sorry shouldn't that be "interview", with Rory Stewart already this morning on BBC Breakfast. They're really pushing his campaign aren't they ! Imagine that. A candidate making himself regularly available for scrutiny, rather than hiding in a bunker because he's a complete idiot who can't trust himself. Definitely not an idiot, the rest is probably true
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Post by yeokel on Jun 18, 2019 14:46:20 GMT
Imagine that. A candidate making himself regularly available for scrutiny, rather than hiding in a bunker because he's a complete idiot who can't trust himself. Definitely not an idiot, the rest is probably true I suspect he probably actually is an idiot. I’m not aware of any evidence of his supposed intelligence other than people repeating that he is intelligent. He may well be ‘educated’ but the ability to pass exams is not, in itself, a measure of intelligence. Could you point out something he’s done or achieved that required ‘intelligence’. Or even something he’s said that made anyone stop and think “actually, that’s pretty smart”?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 18, 2019 14:53:54 GMT
Definitely not an idiot, the rest is probably true I suspect he probably actually is an idiot. I’m not aware of any evidence of his supposed intelligence other than people repeating that he is intelligent. He may well be ‘educated’ but the ability to pass exams is not, in itself, a measure of intelligence. Could you point out something he’s done or achieved that required ‘intelligence’. Or even something he’s said that made anyone stop and think “actually, that’s pretty smart”? Getting 114 votes in the first round of the Leadership race without opening his mouth?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 18, 2019 14:58:41 GMT
Always amazes me how many people believe that the majority of benefit claimants are dossers who get thousands of pounds per week. Of course it's all helped by 'poverty porn' TV shows & the like, designed to manipulate people into kicking fuck out of those below them, rather than puching upwards at the ones who're really rinsing this country out of billions every year. It's fairly easy to explain though sadly isn't it? These shows and alarming headlines from papers come about because the people producing these shows and headlines are ultimately the people you refer to at the end of your post. Far easier to convince people that Dave with a gammy leg down the road is the true enemy instead of faceless bank accounts and shell companies in the Cayman Islands. After all, you can't film dodgy bank transfers!
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 18, 2019 16:31:09 GMT
Always amazes me how many people believe that the majority of benefit claimants are dossers who get thousands of pounds per week. Of course it's all helped by 'poverty porn' TV shows & the like, designed to manipulate people into kicking fuck out of those below them, rather than puching upwards at the ones who're really rinsing this country out of billions every year. I don't think an amount was mentioned I know how much some get and it's too much. Becomes an occupation rather than the help it was for. The wasters have no incentive to change as long as they are kept can't be right. In fact it's not possible to pay for it all at some point it will have to stop.
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