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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 19:50:20 GMT
"Right wing Brexiteer extremists" - says a left wing anti-Brexit extremist - I never said the Beeb were the "bastion of fair journalism" as you put it - the debate should just be more inclusive and interesting. And yes the Beeb are biased and the presenters are biased - happy now ? Why would the BBC debate be more inclusive and interesting? Because it will be after the next round of voting which could well eliminate at least 1 more or possibly 2 candidates as they will need 33 votes to progress. The 4 that have dropped out had 50 votes collectively so they need to be re-allocated. So in theory they could be down to the final 4 which should give a little more time for questions and answers. Boris looks nailed on for round 3, as do Hunt, Gove, and probably Stewart with his new found popularity, so Javid (20 in the first round) and Raab (27) need to grab some of the "new" votes to progress, and IMO they look the most vulnerable.
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Post by zerps on Jun 16, 2019 19:50:47 GMT
That debate was like a mister bean convention
Embarrassing representation of British blokes
Can we fuck all politicians off and start again?
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 16, 2019 19:54:11 GMT
Why would the BBC debate be more inclusive and interesting? Because it will be after the next round of voting which could well eliminate at least 1 more or possibly 2 candidates as they will need 33 votes to progress. The 4 that have dropped out had 50 votes collectively so they need to be re-allocated. So in theory they could be down to the final 4 which should give a little more time for questions and answers. Boris looks nailed on for round 3, as do Hunt, Gove, and probably Stewart with his new found popularity, so Javid (20 in the first round) and Raab (27) need to grab some of the "new" votes to progress, and IMO they look the most vulnerable. McVey backing Boris I would assume most of her few will go with her. Not many votes to play for to be fair, although some may change away.
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Post by zerps on Jun 16, 2019 19:56:30 GMT
People that can walk the walk are successful in business. The spineless useless losers turn to politics
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 16, 2019 19:57:36 GMT
Amazing how Rory Stewart is seen as 'the guy' by the left-wing, pro-EU crowd. Hopefully the Tories buy fully into it & then we can see the end of them as a party once & for all.
Dunno why any of you bother with these TV 'debates', all it comes down to is "That person who said things closest to what I think did the best", "That person who said things which I completely disagree with did the worst".
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 16, 2019 19:57:38 GMT
Why would the BBC debate be more inclusive and interesting? Because it will be after the next round of voting which could well eliminate at least 1 more or possibly 2 candidates as they will need 33 votes to progress. The 4 that have dropped out had 50 votes collectively so they need to be re-allocated. So in theory they could be down to the final 4 which should give a little more time for questions and answers. Boris looks nailed on for round 3, as do Hunt, Gove, and probably Stewart with his new found popularity, so Javid (20 in the first round) and Raab (27) need to grab some of the "new" votes to progress, and IMO they look the most vulnerable. You Tory boys make me laugh. Why wasn't Johnson in this debate tonight?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 16, 2019 20:55:31 GMT
Amazing how Rory Stewart is seen as 'the guy' by the left-wing, pro-EU crowd. Hopefully the Tories buy fully into it & then we can see the end of them as a party once & for all. Dunno why any of you bother with these TV 'debates', all it comes down to is "That person who said things closest to what I think did the best", "That person who said things which I completely disagree with did the worst". Another American export that would be best left where it was.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 16, 2019 21:10:30 GMT
People that can walk the walk are successful in business. The spineless useless losers turn to politics This is the problem what a bunch of strokers they are!!! That's why even a life long Labour voter like me would prefer Boris. He's human warts and all and I hope he wins.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jun 16, 2019 21:14:23 GMT
I didn’t watch the losers debate tonight, what’s the point? I’m waiting for the next PM of the United Kingdom to show his face on Tuesday night. Obviously, it goes without saying that the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation will do their very best to derail him! It should be an interesting watch...
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 16, 2019 21:50:01 GMT
Who knows. He is the only candidate who has met properly with Farage and taken him seriously - which took Farage by surprise, which could do a lot for him. He's definitely on the rise. Whether he can get the votes is another question. I will say this for him, if it comes down to a 1 on 1 debate with him and Johnson towards the end, he'll make Johnson look like the absolute fool that he is. I have placed £100 at 14/1 with UNIBET lump on it I have also had a punt on Jeremy Hunt at 16/1 Bet Victor spread the bet a bit. Fair play. If it's not Johnson then you're onto a winner I reckon.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 16, 2019 22:04:07 GMT
Its all about Stewart at the moment. Bet Brad Pitt is glad he bought the rights to the film about his life story a few years ago (true story)
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Post by stokie1947 on Jun 16, 2019 23:20:00 GMT
i can't really see past Johnson being the next PM but he's not for me i voted leave and the Tories have had 3 years to get us out and failed so it's the Brexit party for me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 6:44:25 GMT
I see Rory Stewart is on GMB yet again this morning for his seemingly daily appearance. Looks like he's trying to win us all over to his way of thinking by simply grinding us down with his all too frequent repeats that he's just going to try to get May's lousy WA through Parliament.
Why is he getting so much more air time than almost all the other candidates put together ?
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 17, 2019 6:50:22 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 17, 2019 7:02:04 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 17, 2019 7:37:57 GMT
I see Rory Stewart is on GMB yet again this morning for his seemingly daily appearance. Looks like he's trying to win us all over to his way of thinking by simply grinding us down with his all too frequent repeats that he's just going to try to get May's lousy WA through Parliament. Why is he getting so much more air time than almost all the other candidates put together ? Because he is the establishment's candidate. Why do you think all the left-wing, pro-EU types are behind him!?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 7:53:27 GMT
I see Rory Stewart is on GMB yet again this morning for his seemingly daily appearance. Looks like he's trying to win us all over to his way of thinking by simply grinding us down with his all too frequent repeats that he's just going to try to get May's lousy WA through Parliament. Why is he getting so much more air time than almost all the other candidates put together ? Because he is the establishment's candidate. Why do you think all the left-wing, pro-EU types are behind him!? Yes I agree - the media are pushing him like crazy aren't they. I really hope he's knocked out in the next couple of rounds of voting. He's being inconsistent already though - last week he said he wouldn't hesitate to bring down a Tory govt if it tried to get a No Deal through, today he said he wouldn't do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 8:59:01 GMT
Because he is the establishment's candidate. Why do you think all the left-wing, pro-EU types are behind him!? Yes I agree - the media are pushing him like crazy aren't they. I really hope he's knocked out in the next couple of rounds of voting. He's being inconsistent already though - last week he said he wouldn't hesitate to bring down a Tory govt if it tried to get a No Deal through, today he said he wouldn't do it. In fairness he's the only one who has actually presented any sort of rational thought or seemed even slightly competent. Gove and Hunt just lied for the whole night, pretending they'd been successful in their respective positions when all those underneath them despise the pair. And not a single one of them besides Stewart were actually saying anything beyond 'honest, I can do it cause it's me.' It's just absolute bollocks. At least Stewart has some sort of policy and described an actual plan, despite the fact he's an abhorrent snake who's voting record is just as bad as any other Tory MP. That said, I despise them all, I'd rather we had no-one.
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Post by yeokel on Jun 17, 2019 9:08:24 GMT
Yes I agree - the media are pushing him like crazy aren't they. I really hope he's knocked out in the next couple of rounds of voting. He's being inconsistent already though - last week he said he wouldn't hesitate to bring down a Tory govt if it tried to get a No Deal through, today he said he wouldn't do it. In fairness he's the only one who has actually presented any sort of rational thought or seemed even slightly competent. Gove and Hunt just lied for the whole night, pretending they'd been successful in their respective positions when all those underneath them despise the pair. And not a single one of them besides Stewart were actually saying anything beyond 'honest, I can do it cause it's me.' It's just absolute bollocks. At least Stewart has some sort of policy and described an actual plan, despite the fact he's an abhorrent snake who's voting record is just as bad as any other Tory MP. That said, I despise them all, I'd rather we had no-one. I thought Gove came across as very weak. His continual repetition of “I’m the man, I’m the man, I’m the man” with nothing said about actual policies or connections he may have which might help him be the one to persuade them (the EU) to re-open negotiations made him look particularly poor. Agree with other comments about “Dom” too. Came across as particular cold and unwelcoming of debate. Not particularly great qualities to have for a negotiator. I felt Stewart won the evening athough he wasn't saying things that I wanted to hear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 9:10:11 GMT
In fairness he's the only one who has actually presented any sort of rational thought or seemed even slightly competent. Gove and Hunt just lied for the whole night, pretending they'd been successful in their respective positions when all those underneath them despise the pair. And not a single one of them besides Stewart were actually saying anything beyond 'honest, I can do it cause it's me.' It's just absolute bollocks. At least Stewart has some sort of policy and described an actual plan, despite the fact he's an abhorrent snake who's voting record is just as bad as any other Tory MP. That said, I despise them all, I'd rather we had no-one. I thought Gove came across as very weak. His continual repetition of “I’m the man, I’m the man, I’m the man” with nothing said about actual policies or connections he may have which might help him be the one to persuade them (the EU) to re-open negotiations made him look particularly poor. Agree with other comments about “Dom” too. Came across as particular cold and unwelcoming of debate. Not particularly great qualities to have for a negotiator. I felt Stewart won the evening athough he wasn't saying things that I wanted to hear. Yep, Stewart won for me because he had something to say beyond 'trust me'. He backed himself up with reasoning and explanations whereas with the others it was just grandstanding with no basis. Raab was awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 9:18:56 GMT
Yes I agree - the media are pushing him like crazy aren't they. I really hope he's knocked out in the next couple of rounds of voting. He's being inconsistent already though - last week he said he wouldn't hesitate to bring down a Tory govt if it tried to get a No Deal through, today he said he wouldn't do it. In fairness he's the only one who has actually presented any sort of rational thought or seemed even slightly competent. Gove and Hunt just lied for the whole night, pretending they'd been successful in their respective positions when all those underneath them despise the pair. And not a single one of them besides Stewart were actually saying anything beyond 'honest, I can do it cause it's me.' It's just absolute bollocks. At least Stewart has some sort of policy and described an actual plan, despite the fact he's an abhorrent snake who's voting record is just as bad as any other Tory MP. That said, I despise them all, I'd rather we had no-one. I disagree, Stewart's "plan" really isn't a plan. It's just try to get May's WA deal through Parliament even though it's failed three times already. And he believes he can do this how - because like the others he thinks he can do it "'cause it's me". He say's he's "different", and he's being "pragmatic" to use his terminology. I think he's probably the worst of the lot in many ways as he's trying to hoodwink everybody that he's trying to get Brexit delivered when it's just another attempt at getting May's BRINO over the line, and nobody wanted that anyway. He's a remainer who's apparently now "fully committed to delivering Brexit", and we've just had three disastrous years of that haven't we ? He's like a chameleon that changes it's colour, he slightly changes or rewords his answers to give a slightly different meaning if he senses his previous answer hasn't gone down well. Boris is certainly not my cup of tea at all, but he's probably the best of a bad bunch.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 17, 2019 9:27:24 GMT
I see Rory Stewart is on GMB yet again this morning for his seemingly daily appearance. Looks like he's trying to win us all over to his way of thinking by simply grinding us down with his all too frequent repeats that he's just going to try to get May's lousy WA through Parliament. Why is he getting so much more air time than almost all the other candidates put together ? Because he's different, a realist and an excellent communicator with very little waffle, which people have had enough of. He's also probably the Tory politician that Labour and Lib Dem supporters probably identify with the most. This could be to his strength or it could be his downfall.
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Post by yeokel on Jun 17, 2019 9:45:31 GMT
In fairness he's the only one who has actually presented any sort of rational thought or seemed even slightly competent. Gove and Hunt just lied for the whole night, pretending they'd been successful in their respective positions when all those underneath them despise the pair. And not a single one of them besides Stewart were actually saying anything beyond 'honest, I can do it cause it's me.' It's just absolute bollocks. At least Stewart has some sort of policy and described an actual plan, despite the fact he's an abhorrent snake who's voting record is just as bad as any other Tory MP. That said, I despise them all, I'd rather we had no-one. I disagree, Stewart's "plan" really isn't a plan. It's just try to get May's WA deal through Parliament even though it's failed three times already. And he believes he can do this how - because like the others he thinks he can do it "'cause it's me". He say's he's "different", and he's being "pragmatic" to use his terminology. I think he's probably the worst of the lot in many ways as he's trying to hoodwink everybody that he's trying to get Brexit delivered when it's just another attempt at getting May's BRINO over the line, and nobody wanted that anyway. He's a remainer who's apparently now "fully committed to delivering Brexit", and we've just had three disastrous years of that haven't we ? He's like a chameleon that changes it's colour, he slightly changes or rewords his answers to give a slightly different meaning if he senses his previous answer hasn't gone down well. Boris is certainly not my cup of tea at all, but he's probably the best of a bad bunch. Please don't let it be Boris. If he's the "best of a bad bunch", and you may well be right, one can only despair at the state of politics in this country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 10:08:35 GMT
Democracy is the loser here. Like spoiled brats they lost the vote that they instigated. Leave was the vote. Get us out! Tweots!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 10:11:02 GMT
Even Andrew Marr isn't convinced with Rory Stewart link
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 17, 2019 10:14:04 GMT
Rory is just May but slightly more femine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 10:24:53 GMT
In fairness he's the only one who has actually presented any sort of rational thought or seemed even slightly competent. Gove and Hunt just lied for the whole night, pretending they'd been successful in their respective positions when all those underneath them despise the pair. And not a single one of them besides Stewart were actually saying anything beyond 'honest, I can do it cause it's me.' It's just absolute bollocks. At least Stewart has some sort of policy and described an actual plan, despite the fact he's an abhorrent snake who's voting record is just as bad as any other Tory MP. That said, I despise them all, I'd rather we had no-one. I disagree, Stewart's "plan" really isn't a plan. It's just try to get May's WA deal through Parliament even though it's failed three times already. And he believes he can do this how - because like the others he thinks he can do it "'cause it's me". He say's he's "different", and he's being "pragmatic" to use his terminology. I think he's probably the worst of the lot in many ways as he's trying to hoodwink everybody that he's trying to get Brexit delivered when it's just another attempt at getting May's BRINO over the line, and nobody wanted that anyway. He's a remainer who's apparently now "fully committed to delivering Brexit", and we've just had three disastrous years of that haven't we ? He's like a chameleon that changes it's colour, he slightly changes or rewords his answers to give a slightly different meaning if he senses his previous answer hasn't gone down well. Boris is certainly not my cup of tea at all, but he's probably the best of a bad bunch. He did give a mention to how he'd get it through though, by fixing the backstop issue. If Boris gets in we're absolutely fucked, the man has nothing. He's a chancer who has spent his entire life changing policies when it suits him.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 17, 2019 10:27:15 GMT
Now here's a idea you can only be an MP if you are born and bread in the area. Stop all this professional parachute candidates with mates in high places.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 17, 2019 10:29:47 GMT
I disagree, Stewart's "plan" really isn't a plan. It's just try to get May's WA deal through Parliament even though it's failed three times already. And he believes he can do this how - because like the others he thinks he can do it "'cause it's me". He say's he's "different", and he's being "pragmatic" to use his terminology. I think he's probably the worst of the lot in many ways as he's trying to hoodwink everybody that he's trying to get Brexit delivered when it's just another attempt at getting May's BRINO over the line, and nobody wanted that anyway. He's a remainer who's apparently now "fully committed to delivering Brexit", and we've just had three disastrous years of that haven't we ? He's like a chameleon that changes it's colour, he slightly changes or rewords his answers to give a slightly different meaning if he senses his previous answer hasn't gone down well. Boris is certainly not my cup of tea at all, but he's probably the best of a bad bunch. He did give a mention to how he'd get it through though, by fixing the backstop issue. If Boris gets in we're absolutely fucked, the man has nothing. He's a chancer who has spent his entire life changing policies when it suits him. Have you seen Rory Stewarts voting record ?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 17, 2019 10:33:01 GMT
Rory is just May but slightly more femine. The only thing going for him as leader is that he may well take enough votes from Lab Libs who are wavering to get a majority in a GE, going on his voting record I wouldn't say he is any more trustworthy than the rest of the clowns.
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