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Post by franklin66 on Jul 16, 2019 9:15:51 GMT
I agree on the result but this is the part "together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act" OR ACT they had crossed when the act occurred. So does that mean that if the batsman(or woman)had crossed the line before ball was thrown, then the batsman(or woman)could just intercept the ball before the fielder & tw@t it to the boundary ad infinitum... They could do but it's not in the spirit of the game and it would not happen.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 16, 2019 10:28:32 GMT
I'd probably go for.. Burns Roy Root Stokes Bairstow Buttler Foakes Moeen Woakes Archer Anderson The main disagreements I have with your team is that Woakes should be in side for sure. Even though Bairstow opens the batting in one day cricket he's never a top order batsmen in test cricket for me and Stokes is a far better at applying himself higher up the order, especially if wickets are tumbling. Moeen has a really good record against Australia at home so he plays for me. Apart from that, the only discussions is whether Archer plays over Broad (or Wood). I've been saying for a long time Broad's time is up but then he bowls a miracle spell and keeps his place and with it being the Ashes, I can see us picking him for the first test just for his experience and the fact he'll be pumped up. If he fails though, I'm sure he'll be replaced sharpish I'd also like to see Woakes in the team but I suspect Broad and Anderson are stick ons. Meaning the "choice" is for one of Archer, Woakes or Wood. Of those three I'd go for Archer. Dropping Broad would be harsh, but he is delivering ever diminishing returns. So, maybe now is the time. Re Ali, if there is one thing we have (hopefully) learned from the ODI success it is pick the best players for the task. So, as regards selecting a spinner, we have to go for Dawson. He is a much, much better bowler than Mo. Harsh to be dropping two stalwarts, but, again looking at our ODI success, we did the same to Willey and it was the right call. If we’re picking our best spinner it’s Leach by an absolute mile.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 16, 2019 11:27:20 GMT
I'd also like to see Woakes in the team but I suspect Broad and Anderson are stick ons. Meaning the "choice" is for one of Archer, Woakes or Wood. Of those three I'd go for Archer. Dropping Broad would be harsh, but he is delivering ever diminishing returns. So, maybe now is the time. Re Ali, if there is one thing we have (hopefully) learned from the ODI success it is pick the best players for the task. So, as regards selecting a spinner, we have to go for Dawson. He is a much, much better bowler than Mo. Harsh to be dropping two stalwarts, but, again looking at our ODI success, we did the same to Willey and it was the right call. If we’re picking our best spinner it’s Leach by an absolute mile. Yes - you are quite right!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 16, 2019 11:34:01 GMT
Personally I wouldn't have Roy opening, he looked all over the place to the moving ball (testing conditions, but still the ball moves like that as a standard in tests) and given it lasts much longer in test cricket I'm really not sure I'd want him fronting up to it. Has he even opened the batting in First Class Cricket with Surrey? From what I remember he either bats at 3 or 5.
I'd much rather have him at 5 or so possibly instead of Buttler who makes a nice 30/40 but gets out far too often. Roy's also dynamite in the field and as Bairstow takes the test gloves we wouldn't be losing our keeper. I just think Roy is a player for when it flattens out, rather than at the top.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 16, 2019 12:30:50 GMT
Just been on Twitter lots of bitterness towards us from the Indian and Pakistan fans calling us cheats and how the NZ were the true winners. I reminded one Pakistan poster that if he’s talking cheating look at Amir and his spot fixing. Feel for the Black Caps and thought Williamson was magnificent in the way he conducted himself after the game but boy am I pleased we won. The first four words indicate where you went wrong.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 16, 2019 14:03:30 GMT
Personally I wouldn't have Roy opening, he looked all over the place to the moving ball (testing conditions, but still the ball moves like that as a standard in tests) and given it lasts much longer in test cricket I'm really not sure I'd want him fronting up to it. Has he even opened the batting in First Class Cricket with Surrey? From what I remember he either bats at 3 or 5. I'd much rather have him at 5 or so possibly instead of Buttler who makes a nice 30/40 but gets out far too often. Roy's also dynamite in the field and as Bairstow takes the test gloves we wouldn't be losing our keeper. I just think Roy is a player for when it flattens out, rather than at the top. He did look all over the shop against the swinging ball but Australia don’t really have a natural swing bowler. Starc hoops the ball back in to the right hander but Roy didn’t have any trouble with that in the semi-final. Cummins bangs it in back of length and Hazlewood looks to nip it around off the seam. Patterson and Siddle are much better bowlers in English conditions and would expose any flaw in technique against the moving ball but I can’t see Australia veering away from their big three quicks.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 16, 2019 14:42:21 GMT
Personally I wouldn't have Roy opening, he looked all over the place to the moving ball (testing conditions, but still the ball moves like that as a standard in tests) and given it lasts much longer in test cricket I'm really not sure I'd want him fronting up to it. Has he even opened the batting in First Class Cricket with Surrey? From what I remember he either bats at 3 or 5. I'd much rather have him at 5 or so possibly instead of Buttler who makes a nice 30/40 but gets out far too often. Roy's also dynamite in the field and as Bairstow takes the test gloves we wouldn't be losing our keeper. I just think Roy is a player for when it flattens out, rather than at the top. He did look all over the shop against the swinging ball but Australia don’t really have a natural swing bowler. Starc hoops the ball back in to the right hander but Roy didn’t have any trouble with that in the semi-final. Cummins bangs it in back of length and Hazlewood looks to nip it around off the seam. Patterson and Siddle are much better bowlers in English conditions and would expose any flaw in technique against the moving ball but I can’t see Australia veering away from their big three quicks. It's interesting Jason Behrendorff seemingly doesn't play first class cricket anymore, must be injury related. His record in the Sheffield Shield (which does traditionally favour bowlers) is outstanding. 126 wickets at 23 in just 31 matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 14:45:03 GMT
Personally I wouldn't have Roy opening, he looked all over the place to the moving ball (testing conditions, but still the ball moves like that as a standard in tests) and given it lasts much longer in test cricket I'm really not sure I'd want him fronting up to it. Has he even opened the batting in First Class Cricket with Surrey? From what I remember he either bats at 3 or 5. I'd much rather have him at 5 or so possibly instead of Buttler who makes a nice 30/40 but gets out far too often. Roy's also dynamite in the field and as Bairstow takes the test gloves we wouldn't be losing our keeper. I just think Roy is a player for when it flattens out, rather than at the top. He did look all over the shop against the swinging ball but Australia don’t really have a natural swing bowler. Starc hoops the ball back in to the right hander but Roy didn’t have any trouble with that in the semi-final. Cummins bangs it in back of length and Hazlewood looks to nip it around off the seam. Patterson and Siddle are much better bowlers in English conditions and would expose any flaw in technique against the moving ball but I can’t see Australia veering away from their big three quicks. Plus any other batsman we brought in would struggle with the swinging ball as well, all modern players do. At least Roy has the option of being positive if the ball is doing a bit and moving the scoreboard along....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 16, 2019 14:47:30 GMT
He did look all over the shop against the swinging ball but Australia don’t really have a natural swing bowler. Starc hoops the ball back in to the right hander but Roy didn’t have any trouble with that in the semi-final. Cummins bangs it in back of length and Hazlewood looks to nip it around off the seam. Patterson and Siddle are much better bowlers in English conditions and would expose any flaw in technique against the moving ball but I can’t see Australia veering away from their big three quicks. Plus any other batsman we brought in would struggle with the swinging ball as well, all modern players do. At least Roy has the option of being positive if the ball is doing a bit and moving the scoreboard along.... Just heard it all before with the Test Team though, we pick these players to be positive and aggressive and then are outraged when they get out flirting a mile outside the off stump. They don't wait for the bad ball because they are conditioned not to. It's why players like Kohli and Root who can play a 200 (400) or a 100 (100) are so rare and sought after I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 14:49:20 GMT
Plus any other batsman we brought in would struggle with the swinging ball as well, all modern players do. At least Roy has the option of being positive if the ball is doing a bit and moving the scoreboard along.... Just heard it all before with the Test Team though, we pick these players to be positive and aggressive and then are outraged when they get out flirting a mile outside the off stump. They don't wait for the bad ball because they are conditioned not to. It's why players like Kohli and Root who can play a 200 (400) or a 100 (100) are so rare and sought after I guess. Root doesn't want to open or bat at 3 though. Dom Sibley is an option but completely untried at this level with not many first class games under his belt. At least we know that Roy belongs in the international arena and has the temperament to take it to the Aussies....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 16, 2019 14:55:11 GMT
Just heard it all before with the Test Team though, we pick these players to be positive and aggressive and then are outraged when they get out flirting a mile outside the off stump. They don't wait for the bad ball because they are conditioned not to. It's why players like Kohli and Root who can play a 200 (400) or a 100 (100) are so rare and sought after I guess. Root doesn't want to open or bat at 3 though. Dom Sibley is an option but completely untried at this level with not many first class games under his belt. At least we know that Roy belongs in the international arena and has the temperament to take it to the Aussies.... True, it's a quandary make no mistake about it, I wouldn't have Root opening either. Sibley is an option given his young age, but there is the inexperience issue too. Having said that, he's nearly played as many first class games as Roy and way more than Roy has in the last 2-3 years, plus he'll likely have his opening partner at the other end which would settle him. It's the big chicken that's come home to roost after about 8 years of saying "what happens after Cook" we genuinely don't have an answer.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 16, 2019 14:58:32 GMT
He did look all over the shop against the swinging ball but Australia don’t really have a natural swing bowler. Starc hoops the ball back in to the right hander but Roy didn’t have any trouble with that in the semi-final. Cummins bangs it in back of length and Hazlewood looks to nip it around off the seam. Patterson and Siddle are much better bowlers in English conditions and would expose any flaw in technique against the moving ball but I can’t see Australia veering away from their big three quicks. It's interesting Jason Behrendorff seemingly doesn't play first class cricket anymore, must be injury related. His record in the Sheffield Shield (which does traditionally favour bowlers) is outstanding. 126 wickets at 23 in just 31 matches. No idea what the crack with Behrendorff is, he looks ideal for English conditions. Australia usually make the same mistake we do when we play over there. We play Anderson and Broad who aren’t suited to the pitches over there and they’re easy pickings. Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood all thrive on Australian wickets but none of them are really suited to bowling in English conditions. It will be interesting to see if they take a chance on Patterson or Siddle who have fantastic records in the County Championship.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 16, 2019 15:02:31 GMT
Just heard it all before with the Test Team though, we pick these players to be positive and aggressive and then are outraged when they get out flirting a mile outside the off stump. They don't wait for the bad ball because they are conditioned not to. It's why players like Kohli and Root who can play a 200 (400) or a 100 (100) are so rare and sought after I guess. Root doesn't want to open or bat at 3 though. Dom Sibley is an option but completely untried at this level with not many first class games under his belt. At least we know that Roy belongs in the international arena and has the temperament to take it to the Aussies.... Sibley is worth a gamble for me. Scored over 1000 runs so far this season and made 74 against an Australian XI yesterday. He’s got the kind of temperament you need to make it as an international opener.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 15:08:31 GMT
Root doesn't want to open or bat at 3 though. Dom Sibley is an option but completely untried at this level with not many first class games under his belt. At least we know that Roy belongs in the international arena and has the temperament to take it to the Aussies.... Sibley is worth a gamble for me. Scored over 1000 runs so far this season and made 74 against an Australian XI yesterday. He’s got the kind of temperament you need to make it as an international opener. He looks good. I think Burns deserves the first couple of tests to be honest, his run total don't really show it but he looked like a decent player in the last series. Had a couple of technical defects but always interesting to know whether players have the awareness to really work on them. I actually really liked Dawid Malan as well as a potential number 3 or 4, again he had a weakness to the full ball outside off stump but his temperament and the rest of his game was spot on.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 16, 2019 15:17:26 GMT
Sibley is worth a gamble for me. Scored over 1000 runs so far this season and made 74 against an Australian XI yesterday. He’s got the kind of temperament you need to make it as an international opener. He looks good. I think Burns deserves the first couple of tests to be honest, his run total don't really show it but he looked like a decent player in the last series. Had a couple of technical defects but always interesting to know whether players have the awareness to really work on them. I actually really liked Dawid Malan as well as a potential number 3 or 4, again he had a weakness to the full ball outside off stump but his temperament and the rest of his game was spot on..... Burns needs a big score to give him some confidence. He almost always gets himself in but then just gets out. Malan was our best batsmen in the last Ashes series, he plays the short ball as good as anyone. He looked like he could nail himself a place down but then had a disappointing start to the series against India and was dropped. He’s averaging 63 for Glamorgan this season albeit in division 2.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 16, 2019 16:29:38 GMT
Including the Ireland game I think we have 6 tests in 7 weeks so there will probably have to be some rotation in the bowling attack. I would start with Anderson, Broad, Archer, Stokes and Moeen but with the likes of Wood, Woakes or Sam Curran standing by to play later in the series. I think they will pick Roy as an opener although I would prefer him at No.3 where he played last season for Surrey. I would like to find a way to get Foakes into the team but I suspect they will give the gloves to Bairstow.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 16, 2019 16:35:04 GMT
I agree on the result but this is the part "together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act" OR ACT they had crossed when the act occurred. So does that mean that if the batsman(or woman)had crossed the line before ball was thrown, then the batsman(or woman)could just intercept the ball before the fielder & tw@t it to the boundary ad infinitum... I'm fairly sure that a batsman can be given out 'obstructing the field' if he has deliberately intercepted a throw from the outfield.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 16, 2019 17:04:00 GMT
So does that mean that if the batsman(or woman)had crossed the line before ball was thrown, then the batsman(or woman)could just intercept the ball before the fielder & tw@t it to the boundary ad infinitum... I'm fairly sure that a batsman can be given out 'obstructing the field' if he has deliberately intercepted a throw from the outfield. ffs, it’s like a game that a kid makes up as they’re going along...
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 16, 2019 17:52:26 GMT
Including the Ireland game I think we have 6 tests in 7 weeks so there will probably have to be some rotation in the bowling attack. I would start with Anderson, Broad, Archer, Stokes and Moeen but with the likes of Wood, Woakes or Sam Curran standing by to play later in the series. I think they will pick Roy as an opener although I would prefer him at No.3 where he played last season for Surrey. I would like to find a way to get Foakes into the team but I suspect they will give the gloves to Bairstow. Seems there are a few niggles among our quicks just now. Looks like Anderson, Wood and Archer won't play. I suspect Woakes will also be given a rest noting how injury prone he is. It means we could have the interesting possibility of both Currans playing with Broad leading the attack and Stokes as 4th seamer.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 16, 2019 17:53:44 GMT
I'm fairly sure that a batsman can be given out 'obstructing the field' if he has deliberately intercepted a throw from the outfield. ffs, it’s like a game that a kid makes up as they’re going along... It is a game made up 😁
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2019 19:37:35 GMT
Including the Ireland game I think we have 6 tests in 7 weeks so there will probably have to be some rotation in the bowling attack. I would start with Anderson, Broad, Archer, Stokes and Moeen but with the likes of Wood, Woakes or Sam Curran standing by to play later in the series. I think they will pick Roy as an opener although I would prefer him at No.3 where he played last season for Surrey. I would like to find a way to get Foakes into the team but I suspect they will give the gloves to Bairstow. Seems there are a few niggles among our quicks just now. Looks like Anderson, Wood and Archer won't play. I suspect Woakes will also be given a rest noting how injury prone he is. It means we could have the interesting possibility of both Currans playing with Broad leading the attack and Stokes as 4th seamer. Are you suggesting at the end that will be our bowling attack against Ireland or in the first Ashes test?!... Apparently Jimmy was sprinting across the ground on Sunday because he was late for his Tailenders Podcast so his injury can't be that bad
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 16, 2019 21:13:16 GMT
Seems there are a few niggles among our quicks just now. Looks like Anderson, Wood and Archer won't play. I suspect Woakes will also be given a rest noting how injury prone he is. It means we could have the interesting possibility of both Currans playing with Broad leading the attack and Stokes as 4th seamer. Are you suggesting at the end that will be our bowling attack against Ireland or in the first Ashes test?!... Apparently Jimmy was sprinting across the ground on Sunday because he was late for his Tailenders Podcast so his injury can't be that bad I meant for the Ireland test!
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Post by professorplump on Jul 16, 2019 22:25:53 GMT
Including the Ireland game I think we have 6 tests in 7 weeks so there will probably have to be some rotation in the bowling attack. I would start with Anderson, Broad, Archer, Stokes and Moeen but with the likes of Wood, Woakes or Sam Curran standing by to play later in the series. I think they will pick Roy as an opener although I would prefer him at No.3 where he played last season for Surrey. I would like to find a way to get Foakes into the team but I suspect they will give the gloves to Bairstow. Seems there are a few niggles among our quicks just now. Looks like Anderson, Wood and Archer won't play. I suspect Woakes will also be given a rest noting how injury prone he is. It means we could have the interesting possibility of both Currans playing with Broad leading the attack and Stokes as 4th seamer. I didn't realise we had so many injuries! In that case we might see one of the Overton brothers, Jamie Porter or Toby Rowland-Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 22:37:08 GMT
According to The Telegraph this is the likely 12 v Ireland:
Burns Roy Denly Root Stokes Bairstow Buttler Foakes Moeen S.Curran Woakes Broad
I just don’t see the point of picking Denly he’s not quite good enough with bat or ball.
If rather see Sibley open and Roy bat at 3.....
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Post by stoke111 on Jul 17, 2019 4:45:32 GMT
According to The Telegraph this is the likely 12 v Ireland: Burns Roy Denly Root Stokes Bairstow Buttler Foakes Moeen S.Curran Woakes Broad I just don’t see the point of picking Denly he’s not quite good enough with bat or ball. If rather see Sibley open and Roy bat at 3..... I’d like to see Stokes rested. It’s already been a long summer without an additional 6 tests to come.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 17, 2019 5:52:06 GMT
According to The Telegraph this is the likely 12 v Ireland: Burns Roy Denly Root Stokes Bairstow Buttler Foakes Moeen S.Curran Woakes Broad I just don’t see the point of picking Denly he’s not quite good enough with bat or ball. If rather see Sibley open and Roy bat at 3..... If that is the 12, it presents an interesting question on who misses out. Usually the extra man in a 12 is a bowler, in this case it is a batsman. So assuming Foakes plays as wicket keeper (why else is he there!), and Stokes plays as an all rounder (he needs to as we would only, otherwise, have 4 bowlers) and the openers and Root play, one of Buttler, Bairstow or Denly misses out. Assuming it's the latter - who bats at 3? Is this Root's moment to step up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 5:57:00 GMT
According to The Telegraph this is the likely 12 v Ireland: Burns Roy Denly Root Stokes Bairstow Buttler Foakes Moeen S.Curran Woakes Broad I just don’t see the point of picking Denly he’s not quite good enough with bat or ball. If rather see Sibley open and Roy bat at 3..... I’d like to see Stokes rested. It’s already been a long summer without an additional 6 tests to come. He hasn’t bowled as much lately but yeah I know what you mean. I’d have no issue with that....
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Post by professorplump on Jul 17, 2019 13:05:24 GMT
According to The Telegraph this is the likely 12 v Ireland: Burns Roy Denly Root Stokes Bairstow Buttler Foakes Moeen S.Curran Woakes Broad I just don’t see the point of picking Denly he’s not quite good enough with bat or ball. If rather see Sibley open and Roy bat at 3..... If that is the 12, it presents an interesting question on who misses out. Usually the extra man in a 12 is a bowler, in this case it is a batsman. So assuming Foakes plays as wicket keeper (why else is he there!), and Stokes plays as an all rounder (he needs to as we would only, otherwise, have 4 bowlers) and the openers and Root play, one of Buttler, Bairstow or Denly misses out. Assuming it's the latter - who bats at 3? Is this Root's moment to step up? The initial squad is picked by Ed Smith and then it is the responsibility of Bayliss and Root to decide who is left out, so just because Smith might select Foakes doesn't mean that he will definitely play. I think he is the most likely to be left out unless it is decided to rest Bairstow or Buttler.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 17, 2019 13:08:05 GMT
I've created an Ashes thread just so we can keep any inevitable test based disappointment off this one
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 14:39:20 GMT
Confirmed squad:
Joe Root (c), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Lewis Gregory, Jack Leach, Jason Roy, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.
Uninspired by Denly, would prefer Malan to Stone and Overton to Gregory. And no Foakes is poor.
By my calculation it will have to be Moeen batting at 6 as well which is a place too high......
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