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Post by rawli on May 19, 2019 18:33:56 GMT
Looks a great prospect , not sure it's wise for him to go to a big club like United now , better to play for two or three years . Our challenge is to structure a deal that will compensate us properly and if we can it will be a first . What's to say we will play him?
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Post by lordb on May 19, 2019 18:40:13 GMT
Looks a great prospect , not sure it's wise for him to go to a big club like United now , better to play for two or three years . Our challenge is to structure a deal that will compensate us properly and if we can it will be a first . What's to say we will play him? Well Jones played him already. That at least suggests the player is in the managers thoughts. Jones has given more minutes to youngsters than any Stoke manager for decades Edwards,Tymon, Verlinden, Campbell, Sorrenson and Collins all played. He's not afraid to play the kids.
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Post by baystokie on May 19, 2019 18:47:39 GMT
Looks a great prospect , not sure it's wise for him to go to a big club like United now , better to play for two or three years . Our challenge is to structure a deal that will compensate us properly and if we can it will be a first . What's to say we will play him? What's to say we won't play him? Is't this an example of fans discussing the prospect of something happening that may not happen together with having no idea what NJ thinks of the lad and how the club would respond to any advance. We could devise any number of possible scenarios, all equally possible or impossible. We're talking in a vacuum until we get some club response on which we can then make comments and form opinions. Too many 'ifs' at the moment for me.
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Post by RAF on May 19, 2019 18:53:06 GMT
This can't be right as most on here have said how wank our Academy is!
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2019 18:53:56 GMT
One critism of Jones is why didn't he start in those last few dead rubbers for us. It would have demonstrated our belief in Collins, potentially whacked the price up and we could of all had a look. Really didn't understand playing Williams albeit he did do ok this is exactly the reason why I rated Jones less than 5 in those last games. Couldn't believe he didn't play the lad. It's so bloody obvious he is a class act.
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Post by shrewspotter on May 19, 2019 18:57:06 GMT
One critism of Jones is why didn't he start in those last few dead rubbers for us. It would have demonstrated our belief in Collins, potentially whacked the price up and we could of all had a look. Really didn't understand playing Williams albeit he did do ok this is exactly the reason why I rated Jones less than 5 in those last games. Couldn't believe he didn't play the lad. It's so bloody obvious he is a class act. and not just Collins, why not Verlinden too, we've always had cautious managers who don't like to play youth, hoping that Jones isn't the same but evidence suggests otherwise
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Post by berahinosgoals on May 19, 2019 18:57:50 GMT
We don't need to be making a habit of this, selling any prospect that comes from the academy on the fringe of the first team. The real money is made when they are first team regulars. We need to be playing them
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Post by lordb on May 19, 2019 18:58:19 GMT
this is exactly the reason why I rated Jones less than 5 in those last games. Couldn't believe he didn't play the lad. It's so bloody obvious he is a class act. and not just Collins, why not Verlinden too, we've always had cautious managers who don't like to play youth, hoping that Jones isn't the same but evidence suggests otherwise And yet both of them did play,started too.
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Post by shrewspotter on May 19, 2019 19:00:28 GMT
What's to say we will play him? Well Jones played him already. That at least suggests the player is in the managers thoughts. Jones has given more minutes to youngsters than any Stoke manager for decades Edwards,Tymon, Verlinden, Campbell, Sorrenson and Collins all played. He's not afraid to play the kids. he did Lordb but for the life of me why didn't he when we had nothing to play for. Verlinden plays, gets man of the match then gets a few minutes here and there despite us lacking any creativity up top Collins plays as we are hit by injuries and suspensions, does great then he's back in the u23s. I just think we should be braver
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Post by potterpaul on May 19, 2019 19:06:09 GMT
and not just Collins, why not Verlinden too, we've always had cautious managers who don't like to play youth, hoping that Jones isn't the same but evidence suggests otherwise And yet both of them did play,started too. And how much of that was due to fan pressure? Like he admitted with another player
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Post by silverdollar on May 19, 2019 19:27:59 GMT
If we can’t offer Collins some significant game time next season to keep him here on the back of the 2/3 brilliant performances from last season then we really are a crock of shit. All this talk about wanting “young, hungry, technical athletes” is a load of bollocks and the early signs of giving 30 year olds contracts is likely what you’ll see all summer. Collins should be a prime example of our “new regime”. It seems all this talk about young, hungry players and building for the future is a steaming pile of bullshit. I despair. Tell him he’s a key part of our promotion push next season and tell United to fuck off!! I imagine that if he was played regularly next season and we did not challenge for promotion, you would be hurling the same old shit at him. Do you seriously consider yourself a Stoke supporter?
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Post by dutchstokie on May 19, 2019 19:36:57 GMT
Pisses on their current setup though The Ajax lad definitely but I am not sure Collins is better than their current centre halves at this moment, in the future he could well be but Ole needs a team for the now or he wont see the season out. De Ligt has stated in the press over here that hes got no wish to play for United. So expect him to sign in July then 😁
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 19, 2019 19:39:34 GMT
Be interesting to know when this advice was given and how that corresponds to fletchers contract with us released or not , when that contract expired or expires etc .
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Post by iglugluk on May 19, 2019 20:40:07 GMT
So Fletcher comes here gets decent pay when he's clearly crocked, has a hand to play in the Hughes instigated relegation then does the sum of fuck-all this season then pisses off back to Man U and thanks us by cherry picking one of our best young players. Jeez thanks Darren you're a model pro, mate.
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Post by lordb on May 19, 2019 20:58:18 GMT
Well Jones played him already. That at least suggests the player is in the managers thoughts. Jones has given more minutes to youngsters than any Stoke manager for decades Edwards,Tymon, Verlinden, Campbell, Sorrenson and Collins all played. He's not afraid to play the kids. he did Lordb but for the life of me why didn't he when we had nothing to play for. Verlinden plays, gets man of the match then gets a few minutes here and there despite us lacking any creativity up top Collins plays as we are hit by injuries and suspensions, does great then he's back in the u23s. I just think we should be braver Once Collins made his debut he could maybe have played one more game Verlinden had a knock at one point, he could have played more though yes. All the same Jones has given them more time than previous Stoke managers have youngsters (bar Lambert to be fair to him).
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Post by lordb on May 19, 2019 20:59:55 GMT
And yet both of them did play,started too. And how much of that was due to fan pressure? Like he admitted with another player 0%
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Post by sportsman on May 19, 2019 21:07:42 GMT
So Fletcher comes here gets decent pay when he's clearly crocked, has a hand to play in the Hughes instigated relegation then does the sum of fuck-all this season then pisses off back to Man U and thanks us by cherry picking one of our best young players. Jeez thanks Darren you're a model pro, mate. I view it more like he is a United supporter, played for them for years, being touted for director of football role, came to us at the end of his career, the stoke fans never really took to him, he didn't feature all the time, he was getting criticised when he was playing at the end and cheered when taken off. I just don't get why he'd do it 😁
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Post by newsteadst3 on May 19, 2019 21:07:45 GMT
Cheers Darren, you fucking snake. 340 odd games for Stretford United 40 for us...... Didn't expect owt else did ya
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Post by rawli on May 19, 2019 21:38:32 GMT
So Fletcher comes here gets decent pay when he's clearly crocked, has a hand to play in the Hughes instigated relegation then does the sum of fuck-all this season then pisses off back to Man U and thanks us by cherry picking one of our best young players. Jeez thanks Darren you're a model pro, mate. Or OGS says to him 'We've already scouted Collins what do you think of him?' What do you expect Fletcher to say? That he's shit? Do you honestly think that all PL clubs won't be aware of him?
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Post by iglugluk on May 19, 2019 21:57:37 GMT
So Fletcher comes here gets decent pay when he's clearly crocked, has a hand to play in the Hughes instigated relegation then does the sum of fuck-all this season then pisses off back to Man U and thanks us by cherry picking one of our best young players. Jeez thanks Darren you're a model pro, mate. I view it more like he is a United supporter, played for them for years, being touted for director of football role, came to us at the end of his career, the stoke fans never really took to him, he didn't feature all the time, he was getting criticised when he was playing at the end and cheered when taken off. I just don't get why he'd do it 😁 If I was a Man U supporter I'd see it the same way but being a Stoke supporter I'd rather be Stokecentric in my view
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Post by iglugluk on May 19, 2019 22:01:49 GMT
So Fletcher comes here gets decent pay when he's clearly crocked, has a hand to play in the Hughes instigated relegation then does the sum of fuck-all this season then pisses off back to Man U and thanks us by cherry picking one of our best young players. Jeez thanks Darren you're a model pro, mate. Or OGS says to him 'We've already scouted Collins what do you think of him?' What do you expect Fletcher to say? That he's shit? Do you honestly think that all PL clubs won't be aware of him? Of course not however I dont follow a football team to be reliably logical .. after the last 2 seasons I fancy being unreasonable:D
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2019 22:05:38 GMT
Cheers Darren, you fucking snake. I doubt that Fletcher is the snake here. I don't believe he can assume responsibility for putting them on his trail. Manure will have been well aware of Collins already from watching him for Ireland and from their own scouts in youth football. Anyone could see for themselves his great potential, everyone except Stoke's managers, of course. The only thing Fletcher could tell them that they did not know already is what his character and personality is like. You can't blame Fletcher for answering a simple question. If we were on the trail of one of their youths, and put in a question to Fletcher, we'd expect him to return an honest assessment. Of course they would be aware of him, all this flak towards Fletcher is naive nonsense. The press are just making the story more readable that's all.
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2019 22:06:38 GMT
What's to say we will play him? Well Jones played him already. That at least suggests the player is in the managers thoughts. Jones has given more minutes to youngsters than any Stoke manager for decades Edwards,Tymon, Verlinden, Campbell, Sorrenson and Collins all played. He's not afraid to play the kids. Collins had to play when he did, there were no other options, as soon as another CB was available he was out
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Post by skip on May 19, 2019 22:57:01 GMT
Cheers Darren, you fucking snake. What a fucking grass.
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Post by mickstupp on May 20, 2019 0:17:26 GMT
So Fletcher comes here gets decent pay when he's clearly crocked, has a hand to play in the Hughes instigated relegation then does the sum of fuck-all this season then pisses off back to Man U and thanks us by cherry picking one of our best young players. Jeez thanks Darren you're a model pro, mate. Not only that, he’s still an employee of Stoke City until June. Cheers Darren, you wanker.
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Post by madnellie on May 20, 2019 0:44:11 GMT
So Fletcher comes here gets decent pay when he's clearly crocked, has a hand to play in the Hughes instigated relegation then does the sum of fuck-all this season then pisses off back to Man U and thanks us by cherry picking one of our best young players. Jeez thanks Darren you're a model pro, mate. Not only that, he’s still an employee of Stoke City until June. Cheers Darren, you wanker. Awww we're paying him to scout for the Shit. Ever the philanthropists.
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Post by PotterLog on May 20, 2019 1:00:36 GMT
Added to Adam advising Delph not to sign for us, seems our departing Scots contingent did a nice little line in making sure good young talent avoids the club 🤬
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 20, 2019 4:20:13 GMT
Added to Adam advising Delph not to sign for us, seems our departing Scots contingent did a nice little line in making sure good young talent avoids the club 🤬 Iain Munro is still doing it, bastard!!!
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Post by lordb on May 20, 2019 5:55:35 GMT
Well Jones played him already. That at least suggests the player is in the managers thoughts. Jones has given more minutes to youngsters than any Stoke manager for decades Edwards,Tymon, Verlinden, Campbell, Sorrenson and Collins all played. He's not afraid to play the kids. Collins had to play when he did, there were no other options, as soon as another CB was available he was out No he didn't. Collins played as part of a back three at Middlesbrough If he didn't want to play him he could just have played a back four without Collins
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Post by Davef on May 20, 2019 7:04:42 GMT
Added to Adam advising Delph not to sign for us, seems our departing Scots contingent did a nice little line in making sure good young talent avoids the club 🤬 Adam didn't advise Delph not to join us. This has been debunked many times.
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