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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 20:59:37 GMT
He was Stoke's MOM at Middlesbrough by a mile. He was MOM in a game where we were shit, and that's been it, really. He's 17, or at least he was when he played at Boro. You asked for games in which he stood out. I've told you one. And he's only been involved in three matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 21:00:10 GMT
If he has to go out on loan I'd send him to a promotion chasing league one side i.e. Rotherham, Ipswich, Bolton. I'd be more inclined this time next year if he'd stood out at a decent loan club. Right now, imo Lindsay's ahead of him, simply because he's 'done it', Collins needs to go out and do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 21:01:45 GMT
He was MOM in a game where we were shit, and that's been it, really. He's 17, or at least he was when he played at Boro. You asked for games in which he stood out. I've told you one. And he's only been involved in three matches. Exactly. One game. It proves my point. I could recall two games, not the 3rd. You seriously think he deserves a shot in (what we are hoping is going to be) a promotion chasing side??
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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 21:02:23 GMT
Oh, and he's apparently caught the eye of Man Utd's scouts.
What do they know, eh?
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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 21:03:49 GMT
He's 17, or at least he was when he played at Boro. You asked for games in which he stood out. I've told you one. And he's only been involved in three matches. Exactly. One game. It proves my point. I could recall two games, not the 3rd. You seriously think he deserves a shot in (what we are hoping is going to be) a promotion chasing side?? I didn't say I think he deserves a shot, but I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep if Jones decided he was to be a regular. I don't really understand your cynicism. He's a very good player.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 21:05:13 GMT
Oh, and he's apparently caught the eye of Man Utd's scouts. What do they know, eh? Do you not think they might get looking at potential? Or would he be a shoo-in at Old Trafford as well? With our current group of CHs, there's no room for potential. Batth, Shawcross, Lindsay and probably BMI. Collins needs a loan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 21:06:33 GMT
Exactly. One game. It proves my point. I could recall two games, not the 3rd. You seriously think he deserves a shot in (what we are hoping is going to be) a promotion chasing side?? I didn't say I think he deserves a shot, but I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep if Jones decided he was to be a regular. I don't really understand your cynicism. He's a very good player. I'm honestly not being cynical, or assuming he's not that good, I'm really not. He should be Ryan's natural successor, in probably a season or two.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 30, 2019 21:09:40 GMT
Edwards is catching the eye of Premier League clubs as well and you still find fans who don't rate him. That's Stoke fans for ya though, never truly satisfied.
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Post by harlequin on Jun 30, 2019 21:20:27 GMT
There's always squad rotation as opposed to season long arse-splinters. It's a 46 game season, he'll play.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 21:28:24 GMT
For anyone saying they’d be happy with a loan and for him to be in our first team next year...what’s to say he’d not leave next year. He’s forgone going to the European championships to try and get into OUR first team and then we send him out on loan when he’s already catching the eye of the likes of Man Utd? Either he’s good enough to be given a chance or he isn’t. We didn’t need another CB and we bought one, not to say he isn’t a promising buy. We’re a mid table championship team. We’re not a premier league outfit anymore. I can’t see why the best of our youngsters can’t be given a chance here. They aren’t going to stick around for long.
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Post by luke2u on Jun 30, 2019 21:40:45 GMT
If we sell BMI we'll need him, and even if he stays and we play three at CB, we need him here.
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 1, 2019 3:58:13 GMT
He's better off going to ManU, they will at least find him games at the level he needs (loan to Championship or abroad), one things for sure he shouldn't be farting around with this basket case club. Fucking unbelievable and it pisses me right off
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Jul 1, 2019 5:55:12 GMT
Id rather send Collins out on loan and keep Souttar. Think Souttar could do with a couple of league and cup appearances for us to really see what he is like.
Collins just needs games at the moment.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 1, 2019 7:32:14 GMT
Looks like he's been set a challenge to stand out and if he does he'll stay regardless. Our need to balance the books may see BMI leave and Souttar going out on loan, which would then see him staying anyway.
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Post by Northy on Jul 1, 2019 7:51:59 GMT
Oh, and he's apparently caught the eye of Man Utd's scouts. What do they know, eh? not a lot these days
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 1, 2019 8:08:27 GMT
As a club we're terrified of playing young players unless we really really have to e.g. Edwards.
Coates should be hopping mad about it.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 1, 2019 8:42:52 GMT
He’a the hottest prospect we’ve had in years and we should go all out to make sure he stays here. If that means giving him some games then so be it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 2, 2019 21:36:38 GMT
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Post by datguy on Jul 2, 2019 21:41:31 GMT
Would be an awful deal for us that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2019 21:42:54 GMT
Just fucking play him. Please
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 2, 2019 22:14:33 GMT
We have nothing to lose by playing Collins, the defence last year was a joke.
Why have we spunked eleventy billion pounds on the academy if we’re not going to use the players it’s finally producing?
Collins would piss this league, and will net us a massive payday if he becomes a regular.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 2, 2019 22:34:25 GMT
We have nothing to lose by playing Collins, the defence last year was a joke.Why have we spunked eleventy billion pounds on the academy if we’re not going to use the players it’s finally producing? Collins would piss this league, and will net us a massive payday if he becomes a regular. Why do you say that? We conceded 16 goals in the first 10 league games, but after that our our defensive record was one of the best in the Championship and only 3 teams conceded less that our 52 against for the season. Against Norwich we kept them down to 8 shots on target over 3 hours of football.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 22:40:30 GMT
If we let someone like him go and the rest of our promising youngsters instead of giving them a chance we are throwing away our future. We are filling the squad again with ageing players who, regardless of whether they are good right now, won't have long left and if we don't get promoted we will have no money and will as a consequence be screwed. We must have one of, if not the best academy, in this league and if they piss it away things will start looking very bleak indeed. I hope it doesn't happen but this is exactly the sort of short sighted stupidity we've been seeing for years now so nothing would surprise me.
We are not getting promoted this year. We are so far behind other teams in this league at the moment unless there's some sort of miracle over the summer its just not looking likely. We were an absolute shambles last year and it won't change in one summer so just fucking give our own youngsters a chance. This is how you build for a future and this is rebuilding project I think people will get behind and support and, I think, what most of us (perhaps foolishly in hindsight) expected when we appointed Jones.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 2, 2019 22:51:55 GMT
We have nothing to lose by playing Collins, the defence last year was a joke. Why have we spunked eleventy billion pounds on the academy if we’re not going to use the players it’s finally producing? Collins would piss this league, and will net us a massive payday if he becomes a regular. It feels a little harsh saying the defence was a joke! It was for a while. However, it is most definitely really demoralising if Collins leaves now. As well as benefitting us, it seems a real shame too for Collins. He does have a bit of runway at Stoke, you'd feel, for the next couple of seasons to establish himself. Is he not better establishing himself for a couple of years than playing U23 football or getting farmed out from Man U to some Dutch team? (As a related aside, I wonder how much Edwards is worth now after his breakthrough season? And again after a good full year next year?)
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2019 23:29:05 GMT
We have nothing to lose by playing Collins, the defence last year was a joke. Why have we spunked eleventy billion pounds on the academy if we’re not going to use the players it’s finally producing? Collins would piss this league, and will net us a massive payday if he becomes a regular. Would he, I'm still unconvinced tbh, I've only seen him in the first team games he played for us last season so don't have a great base to form an opinion from but he was very hit and miss and was at fault for one of the goals we conceded when it should have been easily dealt with, do you think Lindsay and Collins would be a risk to far as a starting partnership next season or would you be happy if thats how we lined up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 23:37:28 GMT
We have nothing to lose by playing Collins, the defence last year was a joke. Why have we spunked eleventy billion pounds on the academy if we’re not going to use the players it’s finally producing? Collins would piss this league, and will net us a massive payday if he becomes a regular. Would he, I'm still unconvinced tbh, I've only seen him in the first team games he played for us last season so don't have a great base to form an opinion from but he was very hit and miss and was at fault for one of the goals we conceded when it should have been easily dealt with, do you think Lindsay and Collins would be a risk to far as a starting partnership next season or would you be happy if thats how we lined up? Did he play more than one for any length of time? Was that at Swansea and, if so, were we down to 10 or 9 men at that point?
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Post by bolders on Jul 2, 2019 23:37:40 GMT
He can go on loan but no option
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 2, 2019 23:40:30 GMT
Are we likely to make more from Collins than Butland?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2019 0:13:36 GMT
Would he, I'm still unconvinced tbh, I've only seen him in the first team games he played for us last season so don't have a great base to form an opinion from but he was very hit and miss and was at fault for one of the goals we conceded when it should have been easily dealt with, do you think Lindsay and Collins would be a risk to far as a starting partnership next season or would you be happy if thats how we lined up? Did he play more than one for any length of time? Was that at Swansea and, if so, were we down to 10 or 9 men at that point? As I say I don't have a great base to make a judgment which is why I asked the question, not sure how many players we had really matters, if its a simple header its a simple header with 11 players on the pitch or 5.
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 3, 2019 1:33:53 GMT
Did he play more than one for any length of time? Was that at Swansea and, if so, were we down to 10 or 9 men at that point? As I say I don't have a great base to make a judgment which is why I asked the question, not sure how many players we had really matters, if its a simple header its a simple header with 11 players on the pitch or 5. Unless you have the view that if you're under constant attack the chances of mistakes are greatly increased. Simple mathematics and law of average along with a host of other factors like extra pressure, fatigue that goes with being undermanned (outnumbered), not to mention his lack of playing time in such circumstances. But yes a simple header is a simple header.
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