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Post by s7oke on Jul 3, 2019 4:15:29 GMT
We have nothing to lose by playing Collins, the defence last year was a joke. Why have we spunked eleventy billion pounds on the academy if we’re not going to use the players it’s finally producing? Collins would piss this league, and will net us a massive payday if he becomes a regular. Would he, I'm still unconvinced tbh, I've only seen him in the first team games he played for us last season so don't have a great base to form an opinion from but he was very hit and miss and was at fault for one of the goals we conceded when it should have been easily dealt with, do you think Lindsay and Collins would be a risk to far as a starting partnership next season or would you be happy if thats how we lined up? The only way he will learn is by making mistakes And the only way he can make mistakes is by playing regular first team football I for one would love him to play to see if he is as good as people make out. But he’s gotta be cut some slack if there is the odd error while he learns his trade !! If he became a fans favourite the world could be his oyster Who knows he could be the next Franz Beckenbauer. Give the lad a chance get behind him and let him be proud to play for our club !! The point is no one knows until he is given that chance That’s all it takes. Go on Nathan do the right thing and play him please.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 3, 2019 4:32:01 GMT
How people can state Collins should start every game next season like it wouldn't be a risk is ludicrous. You can rate a player, no problem with that, but to be so matter of fact to say "he'd piss the league" etc based on youth team football and 2 and a bit first team performances is highly presumptuous.
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Post by huuuuuth on Jul 3, 2019 6:17:21 GMT
With the harsh realities of FFP, perhaps we’ve got no choice and we HAVE to sell one of our jewels - and up to yet there appears to be nobody kicking the doors down for Jack, Etebo etc.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 3, 2019 6:23:38 GMT
How people can state Collins should start every game next season like it wouldn't be a risk is ludicrous. You can rate a player, no problem with that, but to be so matter of fact to say "he'd piss the league" etc based on youth team football and 2 and a bit first team performances is highly presumptuous. He would, the Championship is a shit league.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 3, 2019 6:30:16 GMT
If we let someone like him go and the rest of our promising youngsters instead of giving them a chance we are throwing away our future. We are filling the squad again with ageing players who, regardless of whether they are good right now, won't have long left and if we don't get promoted we will have no money and will as a consequence be screwed. We must have one of, if not the best academy, in this league and if they piss it away things will start looking very bleak indeed. I hope it doesn't happen but this is exactly the sort of short sighted stupidity we've been seeing for years now so nothing would surprise me. We are not getting promoted this year. We are so far behind other teams in this league at the moment unless there's some sort of miracle over the summer its just not looking likely. We were an absolute shambles last year and it won't change in one summer so just fucking give our own youngsters a chance. This is how you build for a future and this is rebuilding project I think people will get behind and support and, I think, what most of us (perhaps foolishly in hindsight) expected when we appointed Jones. What sort of message COULD this send to prospective and current academy players? 1 we offer a good foundation for bigger clubs to buy / loan you 2 even if you show lots of promise your route to first team football here, is very unlikely 3 we want to give you as much game time as possible, we will get a good loan opportunity for you this coming season as we already have plenty of players who can play cb and they all may be with us next season
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 6:49:49 GMT
If we let someone like him go and the rest of our promising youngsters instead of giving them a chance we are throwing away our future. We are filling the squad again with ageing players who, regardless of whether they are good right now, won't have long left and if we don't get promoted we will have no money and will as a consequence be screwed. We must have one of, if not the best academy, in this league and if they piss it away things will start looking very bleak indeed. I hope it doesn't happen but this is exactly the sort of short sighted stupidity we've been seeing for years now so nothing would surprise me. We are not getting promoted this year. We are so far behind other teams in this league at the moment unless there's some sort of miracle over the summer its just not looking likely. We were an absolute shambles last year and it won't change in one summer so just fucking give our own youngsters a chance. This is how you build for a future and this is rebuilding project I think people will get behind and support and, I think, what most of us (perhaps foolishly in hindsight) expected when we appointed Jones. What sort of message COULD this send to prospective and current academy players? 1 we offer a good foundation for bigger clubs to buy / loan you 2 even if you show lots of promise your route to first team football here, is very unlikely 3 we want to give you as much game time as possible, we will get a good loan opportunity for you this coming season as we already have plenty of players who can play cb and they all may be with us next season We’re a mid table championship side. A route to first team football shouldn’t be unlikely. People are acting like we’re 9th in the premiership still with a squad already full of players who are undroppable. We’re not. The majority of our squad have failed over and over again and now we’re padding it out even more with 30 year old players and free transfers some of whom are in positions which shouldn’t have been a priority. Also this interest is entirely as a result of his own talent. Not sure we can take much credit tbh. All I can see is we’ve made him miss the euros and seem likely not to give him a chance and possibly send him on loan when he could move to Man Utd, be on more money and likely get a better loan? It’s daft.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 6:59:04 GMT
Did he play more than one for any length of time? Was that at Swansea and, if so, were we down to 10 or 9 men at that point? As I say I don't have a great base to make a judgment which is why I asked the question, not sure how many players we had really matters, if its a simple header its a simple header with 11 players on the pitch or 5. I saw a young man come on the pitch and hold his own in one of the worse stoke performances I’ve seen in years and the toughest of circumstances for a defender. I guess it’s just how you view it.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 3, 2019 7:06:43 GMT
Just fucking play him. Please Not gonna happen is it. Losing faith more and more with our club at the moment. I really do not see what Jones is doing at the moment.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 3, 2019 7:13:55 GMT
Verlinden & Collins should’ve had 30+ appearances between them last season.
The fact that they’ve got less than 10 combined pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with this club.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 3, 2019 7:19:04 GMT
It's a very common trend now, brought about by the reticence of British clubs who refuse to play their youngsters. In the last 3 year I think I've seen more British/Irish players abroad than in all my previous time watching football. It's a niche being carved out by sporting directors all over Germany.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 3, 2019 7:20:11 GMT
We have nothing to lose by playing Collins, the defence last year was a joke.Why have we spunked eleventy billion pounds on the academy if we’re not going to use the players it’s finally producing? Collins would piss this league, and will net us a massive payday if he becomes a regular. That's just fundamentally not true, at least in terms of actual defensive work. Now if you're talking about progressive passing and setting up an attack, I'm with you.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 3, 2019 7:39:15 GMT
How people can state Collins should start every game next season like it wouldn't be a risk is ludicrous. You can rate a player, no problem with that, but to be so matter of fact to say "he'd piss the league" etc based on youth team football and 2 and a bit first team performances is highly presumptuous. It's another stick to beat the club with though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 3, 2019 7:47:56 GMT
Verlinden & Collins should’ve had 30+ appearances between them last season. The fact that they’ve got less than 10 combined pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with this club. Before Jones was appointed they had a grand total of zero between them.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 3, 2019 8:09:30 GMT
Oh, and he's apparently caught the eye of Man Utd's scouts. What do they know, eh? Fuck all if some of their more recent signings are anything to go by.
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Post by Waggy on Jul 3, 2019 8:49:41 GMT
He needs to play first team football for us. If big teams are interested he’s good enough. Give him experience. We could have a gem on our hands and he could be worth millions if given the chance
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Post by aloha63 on Jul 3, 2019 9:13:14 GMT
Clear, Simple message to Nathan Jones - Play Collins, play him for the benefit of SCFC and to develop a potential gem
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 3, 2019 10:01:27 GMT
Verlinden & Collins should’ve had 30+ appearances between them last season. The fact that they’ve got less than 10 combined pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with this club. Before Jones was appointed they had a grand total of zero between them. Granted but he himself still criminally underused them, especially due to the fact that our season was over in March.
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Post by neddy on Jul 3, 2019 10:11:19 GMT
Nightmare scenario would be needing to sell him to pay off other wasters to keep us within FFP?
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Post by lordb on Jul 3, 2019 10:12:27 GMT
Before Jones was appointed they had a grand total of zero between them. Granted but he himself still criminally underused them, especially due to the fact that our season was over in March. Collins has conme on a lot, he wasn't ready twelve months ago and even by January wouldn't have said ready either at least not for regular Championship football He could have played maybe two or three times more. He did start, away too, a game too. Verlinden could have played more for sure especially once Ince went right off the boil. They both need much much more this season. A loan out for either player wouldn't be a disaster however they both should be considered as first team players now imho. That doesnt mean both play every game no more than it does for anyone else. Jones gave Edwards his head once he'd seen Bauer underperform. Don't understand the vitriol Jones is getting towards the young players, he's played them far more than previous Stoke managers.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jul 3, 2019 10:29:04 GMT
Is Collins actually signed up on a professional contract with Stoke City or his he still on a Academy contract ?, also due to his age if he went to a fellow European club outside the U.K would Stoke be entitled to any kind of a fee ?
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Post by stokieoldboy on Jul 3, 2019 10:30:58 GMT
I agree he needs to be in the squad week in week out, and edged in slowly,not to sure he's ready for the blood and guts of the championship just yet, we need to do what we did with tom Edwards,look at him now, super player, with big clubs eyeing him up, what I saw of Verlindon in the games that he played last seasons,i would say he is ready right now,so come on stoke give these hungry young players a chance to showcase there skills.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jul 3, 2019 11:06:50 GMT
Assets and liabilities, this guys obviously an asset - maybe Carto is not such a disaster after all ? (wink)
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Post by numberounominion on Jul 3, 2019 18:35:00 GMT
Just fucking play him. Please Not gonna happen is it. Losing faith more and more with our club at the moment. I really do not see what Jones is doing at the moment. The situation is getting silly. We could play shawcross every week at Collins age But now shawcross ( who played very well at Collins age) has a catalogue of injuries and is increasingly off the pace He plays instead of Collins. This is madness. Especially as ( like shawcross at Collins age) he played well when given his chance in the first team
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Post by themistocles on Jul 3, 2019 19:10:30 GMT
Is the supposed interest from the Bundesliga a ploy to increase any bid from United?
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Post by philb on Jul 3, 2019 19:26:12 GMT
How people can state Collins should start every game next season like it wouldn't be a risk is ludicrous. You can rate a player, no problem with that, but to be so matter of fact to say "he'd piss the league" etc based on youth team football and 2 and a bit first team performances is highly presumptuous. He would, the Championship is a shit league. A shit league we finished 16th in last season!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 3, 2019 19:46:57 GMT
He would, the Championship is a shit league. A shit league we finished 16th in last season! Which just compounds how shit we are.
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Post by s8to on Jul 3, 2019 20:09:10 GMT
A shit league we finished 16th in last season! Which just compounds how shit we are. Wow shit!
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Post by timberdick on Jul 3, 2019 20:49:58 GMT
I blame Fletcher, the great steaming turd!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2019 20:52:58 GMT
Before Jones was appointed they had a grand total of zero between them. Granted but he himself still criminally underused them, especially due to the fact that our season was over in March. Agree with this, once it was clear we were safe etc he should have played them more often if they turned out not to be ready so be it but at least give them some minutes.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 3, 2019 21:12:20 GMT
Granted but he himself still criminally underused them, especially due to the fact that our season was over in March. Agree with this, once it was clear we were safe etc he should have played them more often if they turned out not to be ready so be it but at least give them some minutes. To play Williams above him was a bloody brain dead decision
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