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Post by robstokie on May 10, 2019 17:16:55 GMT
Thought NJ was looking to bring in young and hungry players who would buy into the supposed DNA of the club - but it looks like we are reverting to type by chasing a free-agent who is nearly 31 and doesn't really offer anything we don't already have. It sounds exactly the same kind of signing that we have stockpiled in the past, bang average players with little to no resale value on long contracts and big money. This, along with NJ saying that the process regarding recruitment won't change drastically leaves me to think that Cartwright and Scholes STILL hold the cards over the manager, despite their recruitment process being shown to fail spectacularly over the last 3 seasons.
As an aside, I've read Jermaine Pennants new book and neither TP or Sparky (Pennants contract was up the summer TP left) wanted to re-new his deal, but Scholes took the matter into his own hands and gave him a deal anyway.
So, the question is this - despite the noises coming from above that there will be money for the manager to spend, will it be the managers to spend?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 10, 2019 17:22:54 GMT
The process is fine, its the idiot managers that have been picking the players thats been the problem and one player in his 30s isn't the end of the world as long as he ticks the other boxes work rate, attitude etc.
To answer your questions, probably and yes like all the other managers.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 10, 2019 17:49:21 GMT
We need to marry youth and experience. If Gregory comes in alongside a team with younger heads then great. Likewise happy to see a pool of cbs of Shawcross and Barth alongside Collins and another (Souttar maybe)
We need a blend and I hope we see it
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Post by chuckrocky on May 10, 2019 18:08:16 GMT
Does the transfer window close tomorrow or am I missing something?
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Post by Davef on May 10, 2019 18:12:56 GMT
The season hasn't been over a week and we haven't signed a player yet.
For crying out loud.
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Post by zerps on May 10, 2019 18:23:23 GMT
We’re stuck with the same players apart from Bojan. Haven’t you heard 😆
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Post by mattythestokie on May 10, 2019 18:27:55 GMT
Thought NJ was looking to bring in young and hungry players who would buy into the supposed DNA of the club - but it looks like we are reverting to type by chasing a free-agent who is nearly 31 and doesn't really offer anything we don't already have. It sounds exactly the same kind of signing that we have stockpiled in the past, bang average players with little to no resale value on long contracts and big money. This, along with NJ saying that the process regarding recruitment won't change drastically leaves me to think that Cartwright and Scholes STILL hold the cards over the manager, despite their recruitment process being shown to fail spectacularly over the last 3 seasons. As an aside, I've read Jermaine Pennants new book and neither TP or Sparky (Pennants contract was up the summer TP left) wanted to re-new his deal, but Scholes took the matter into his own hands and gave him a deal anyway. So, the question is this - despite the noises coming from above that there will be money for the manager to spend, will it be the managers to spend? Christ, its not even even been a week since the season finished yet! Honestly I could tear my hair out with some of the stuff I read on this. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 10, 2019 18:30:43 GMT
Just like to point out that I predicted this thread coming yesterday on another one.
Knicker wetter season has come really early this year.
The majority of the footballing worlds season hasn't finished yet!!
Gotta love our fans....well, you don't some are arseholes.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 10, 2019 18:30:55 GMT
As long as we sign the right players to take us up I really like that they are free signings. I'm fed up of signing players for big fees who really are nothing special. I can mention Wimmer, Imbula, Afobe, McClean as typical examples of this, players we would fare much better without to be honest.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 18:37:24 GMT
Did Jones specifically mention buying in youth to create a young side, or did he say he wanted to create a fast, attacking, aggressive side with no specific mention of young players?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 18:41:44 GMT
Did Jones specifically mention buying in youth to create a young side, or did he say he wanted to create a fast, attacking, aggressive side with no specific mention of young players? Yes on many occasions “young, hungry, athletic” (fast attacking aggressive working class side we can all be proud of, god willing). |
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Post by Pugsley on May 10, 2019 18:44:21 GMT
It'll be alright on the night...
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Post by DC1863 on May 10, 2019 19:02:09 GMT
We haven't officially signed any players yet, this is a question to ask in late July.
Hopefully Jones has seen we've got a decent batch of youngsters to work with here, adding an experienced head or two who fit the mould of 'beautiful human beings' will presumably be part of his plans for the dressing room.
The key is shifting the dead wood from the squad.
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Post by robstokie on May 10, 2019 19:12:04 GMT
Thought NJ was looking to bring in young and hungry players who would buy into the supposed DNA of the club - but it looks like we are reverting to type by chasing a free-agent who is nearly 31 and doesn't really offer anything we don't already have. It sounds exactly the same kind of signing that we have stockpiled in the past, bang average players with little to no resale value on long contracts and big money. This, along with NJ saying that the process regarding recruitment won't change drastically leaves me to think that Cartwright and Scholes STILL hold the cards over the manager, despite their recruitment process being shown to fail spectacularly over the last 3 seasons. As an aside, I've read Jermaine Pennants new book and neither TP or Sparky (Pennants contract was up the summer TP left) wanted to re-new his deal, but Scholes took the matter into his own hands and gave him a deal anyway. So, the question is this - despite the noises coming from above that there will be money for the manager to spend, will it be the managers to spend? Christ, its not even even been a week since the season finished yet! Honestly I could tear my hair out with some of the stuff I read on this. When we've had recruitment as bad as we have had recently, it's a genuine worry |
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 10, 2019 19:13:49 GMT
We’re stuck with the same players apart from Bojan. Haven’t you heard 😆 The way some are reacting we're guaranteed relegation if he goes so its pointless signing anybody anyway  |
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Post by numpty40 on May 10, 2019 19:25:14 GMT
Did Jones specifically mention buying in youth to create a young side, or did he say he wanted to create a fast, attacking, aggressive side with no specific mention of young players? They don't come much faster than Batth, Vokes and Gregory  |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 10, 2019 19:28:01 GMT
Isn't that an Ultravox song??? |
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Post by telfordstoke on May 10, 2019 19:30:49 GMT
Isn't that an Ultravox song??? Lol good spot, knew it sounded familiar |
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Post by robstokie on May 10, 2019 19:32:25 GMT
Isn't that an Ultravox song??? Someone I dated a while back was a big fan of them - I guess that song title must have stuck in my head |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 10, 2019 19:34:30 GMT
Isn't that an Ultravox song??? Someone I dated a while back was a big fan of them - I guess that song title must have stuck in my head And you knew the title would come in handy one day!!! 👍🏼 |
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Post by rawli on May 10, 2019 20:00:03 GMT
Thought NJ was looking to bring in young and hungry players who would buy into the supposed DNA of the club - but it looks like we are reverting to type by chasing a free-agent who is nearly 31 and doesn't really offer anything we don't already have. It sounds exactly the same kind of signing that we have stockpiled in the past, bang average players with little to no resale value on long contracts and big money. This, along with NJ saying that the process regarding recruitment won't change drastically leaves me to think that Cartwright and Scholes STILL hold the cards over the manager, despite their recruitment process being shown to fail spectacularly over the last 3 seasons. As an aside, I've read Jermaine Pennants new book and neither TP or Sparky (Pennants contract was up the summer TP left) wanted to re-new his deal, but Scholes took the matter into his own hands and gave him a deal anyway. So, the question is this - despite the noises coming from above that there will be money for the manager to spend, will it be the managers to spend? How do you know he doesn't offer anything new? The Millwall supporters love him and he sounds like he gives 100% which is more than the current shower give. He's scored 13 goals and 7 assists in a shit team. We need some characters in the squad who are going to bollock wasters who aren't putting the effort in and inspire younger players to put the work in . If we can get 2 or 3 seasons out of him then it's win win. It's a good job the moaners on here don't play for us or we'd be down before a ball was kicked. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 10, 2019 20:08:17 GMT
Did Jones specifically mention buying in youth to create a young side, or did he say he wanted to create a fast, attacking, aggressive side with no specific mention of young players? Yes on many occasions “young, hungry, athletic” (fast attacking aggressive working class side we can all be proud of, god willing). At no point did he say we would exclusively be signing young players. Rightly so. Let’s see how the squad looks when the season starts eh? |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 20:11:16 GMT
Yes on many occasions “young, hungry, athletic” (fast attacking aggressive working class side we can all be proud of, god willing). At no point did he say we would exclusively be signing young players. Rightly so. Let’s see how the squad looks when the season starts eh? Never said he did. The question was has he said anything about youth which he has! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 10, 2019 20:53:33 GMT
At no point did he say we would exclusively be signing young players. Rightly so. Let’s see how the squad looks when the season starts eh? Never said he did. The question was has he said anything about youth which he has! So there was no implication in your answer then? Fair enough. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 20:56:19 GMT
Never said he did. The question was has he said anything about youth which he has! So there was no implication in your answer then? Fair enough. There was none intended! |
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Post by silverdollar on May 10, 2019 22:44:37 GMT
Thought NJ was looking to bring in young and hungry players who would buy into the supposed DNA of the club - but it looks like we are reverting to type by chasing a free-agent who is nearly 31 and doesn't really offer anything we don't already have. It sounds exactly the same kind of signing that we have stockpiled in the past, bang average players with little to no resale value on long contracts and big money. This, along with NJ saying that the process regarding recruitment won't change drastically leaves me to think that Cartwright and Scholes STILL hold the cards over the manager, despite their recruitment process being shown to fail spectacularly over the last 3 seasons. As an aside, I've read Jermaine Pennants new book and neither TP or Sparky (Pennants contract was up the summer TP left) wanted to re-new his deal, but Scholes took the matter into his own hands and gave him a deal anyway. So, the question is this - despite the noises coming from above that there will be money for the manager to spend, will it be the managers to spend? "Looks like" and "seems" this is your perception based on what you read in the paper. Jones has a reputation for giving youth players a chance and also for developing them. Where has he ever said that the whole team will be based around them. That would be a foolish risk for any manager. I think Jones has clearly stated his ethics and I am sure that some negative fans will make a judgement before they have even kicked a ball. I am excited by what lies ahead and until I have witnessed at least ten or twelve league games of the new season will I attempt to make constructive comment. Good luck Nathan Jones! Good luck Stoke City! |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 22:48:59 GMT
Thought NJ was looking to bring in young and hungry players who would buy into the supposed DNA of the club - but it looks like we are reverting to type by chasing a free-agent who is nearly 31 and doesn't really offer anything we don't already have. It sounds exactly the same kind of signing that we have stockpiled in the past, bang average players with little to no resale value on long contracts and big money. This, along with NJ saying that the process regarding recruitment won't change drastically leaves me to think that Cartwright and Scholes STILL hold the cards over the manager, despite their recruitment process being shown to fail spectacularly over the last 3 seasons. As an aside, I've read Jermaine Pennants new book and neither TP or Sparky (Pennants contract was up the summer TP left) wanted to re-new his deal, but Scholes took the matter into his own hands and gave him a deal anyway. So, the question is this - despite the noises coming from above that there will be money for the manager to spend, will it be the managers to spend? "Looks like" and "seems" this is your perception based on what you read in the paper. Jones has a reputation for giving youth players a chance and also for developing them. Where has he ever said that the whole team will be based around them. That would be a foolish risk for any manager. I think Jones has clearly stated his ethics and I am sure that some negative fans will make a judgement before they have even kicked a ball. I am excited by what lies ahead and until I have witnessed at least ten or twelve league games of the new season will I attempt to make constructive comment. Good luck Nathan Jones! Good luck Stoke City! Are you sure about him giving youth players a chance because that Luton fan on the other thread says not and that most of them ended up leaving because they didn’t get chances? I’m genuinely not criticising your post or NJ here. I am just interested to know how we know this please? |
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Post by silverdollar on May 10, 2019 22:59:56 GMT
"Looks like" and "seems" this is your perception based on what you read in the paper. Jones has a reputation for giving youth players a chance and also for developing them. Where has he ever said that the whole team will be based around them. That would be a foolish risk for any manager. I think Jones has clearly stated his ethics and I am sure that some negative fans will make a judgement before they have even kicked a ball. I am excited by what lies ahead and until I have witnessed at least ten or twelve league games of the new season will I attempt to make constructive comment. Good luck Nathan Jones! Good luck Stoke City! Are you sure about him giving youth players a chance because that Luton fan on the other thread says not and that most of them ended up leaving because they didn’t get chances? I’m genuinely not criticising your post or NJ here. I am just interested to know how we know this please? I have seen Jones already give three young Under 23 players an opportunity at a time when the pressure is on him not to take risks. I personally have no reason to doubt Jones's judgement regarding who plays and who doesn't. Fans will always have contrary opinions. I have no doubt there are fans at Luton who fancied themselves at picking a better team but it seems to me that Luton's double promotion, a progress Jones initiated, says he didn't do a bad job. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 23:05:25 GMT
Are you sure about him giving youth players a chance because that Luton fan on the other thread says not and that most of them ended up leaving because they didn’t get chances? I’m genuinely not criticising your post or NJ here. I am just interested to know how we know this please? I have seen Jones already give three young Under 23 players an opportunity at a time when the pressure is on him not to take risks. I personally have no reason to doubt Jones's judgement regarding who plays and who doesn't. Fans will always have contrary opinions. I have no doubt there are fans at Luton who fancied themselves at picking a better team but it seems to me that Luton's double promotion, a progress Jones initiated, says he didn't do a bad job. It’s just the youth thing. I’ve seen it as Campbell be shipped off on loan, Verlinden put in a MoM performance then not start again and Collins not even on the mech and this was in nothing games. If he doesn’t end up playing the young ones then it’s his call of course. I just find it interesting that that’s what’s been said and people are under the impression NJ has a track record of playing youth players when he doesn’t seem to have such track record. I’m not judging him now. I’m just a bit struck by the mismatch in words and actions and this board is for debate so just pointing things out. Not meaning to be overly negative or judgemental! |
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Post by Gods on May 10, 2019 23:09:45 GMT
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