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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 9, 2019 12:00:21 GMT
Easy to say with hindsight. I don't think hindsight comes into it does it? Were you clamouring for him to start? I sure as shit wasn't and I certainly didn't want him played on the wing. I was hoping that the 3kg he lost over the summer would make a difference and that he would be able to have more of an impact than he did. Putting him on the wing (albeit temporarily) was far from ideal but even then he should have been able to control a fairly straightforward pass and that can’t be pinned on Jones.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 9, 2019 12:04:48 GMT
I think people had just had enough and the manager to an extent inadvertently hung him out to dry. His performance had a little more effort but was still technically woeful and rightly or wrongly that failure to control a simple ball was the last straw. Jones shouldn't have started him and he certainly shouldn't have shunted him onto the wing where he categorically cannot play. I completely agree.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 9, 2019 12:07:16 GMT
I thought he looked busy on Saturday even if he was incredibly poor. He was out on the wings and trying to make things happen while admittedly tripping over the ball a number of times. I'm not sure he was lazy at the weekend. He did come with fanfare which hasn't helped but I suppose the Bournemouth fans warnings were quite accurate that he isn't the most technically gifted player. I'm not talking about the weekend, I'm talking about last season. Is this a Men in Black situation where everyone's been neuralised to erase that from their memories? I'm delighted he's gone. I know who would have had the sweatier and dirtier kit last weekend between him Vokes though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 12:28:29 GMT
I'm not talking about the weekend, I'm talking about last season. Is this a Men in Black situation where everyone's been neuralised to erase that from their memories? I'm delighted he's gone. I know who would have had the sweatier and dirtier kit last weekend between him Vokes though. I’m sure he did mate but I was talking about his time at the club as a whole, not one game in which he designed to actually run around a bit for once but was still crap in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 12:29:35 GMT
I don't think hindsight comes into it does it? Were you clamouring for him to start? I sure as shit wasn't and I certainly didn't want him played on the wing. I was hoping that the 3kg he lost over the summer would make a difference and that he would be able to have more of an impact than he did. Putting him on the wing (albeit temporarily) was far from ideal but even then he should have been able to control a fairly straightforward pass and that can’t be pinned on Jones. It can’t be putting him on the wing was stupid and unnecessary and he’d shown precious little in pre-season to be worth a start ahead of Campbell and precious little last season to be worth a start ahead of Gregory.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 9, 2019 12:40:12 GMT
I was hoping that the 3kg he lost over the summer would make a difference and that he would be able to have more of an impact than he did. Putting him on the wing (albeit temporarily) was far from ideal but even then he should have been able to control a fairly straightforward pass and that can’t be pinned on Jones. It can’t be putting him on the wing was stupid and unnecessary and he’d shown precious little in pre-season to be worth a start ahead of Campbell and precious little last season to be worth a start ahead of Gregory. Afobe was barely on the wing, he simply had to go off after his failure to control the ball but we don’t know if Jones planned on replacing him with Ince prior to the error or if the error and the crowd reaction forced his hand. We also don’t know what Afobe has been like in training but it’s not difficult to see why Jones would want to give a seemingly motivated Benik who had lost 3kg over the summer a chance.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 13:38:06 GMT
It can’t be putting him on the wing was stupid and unnecessary and he’d shown precious little in pre-season to be worth a start ahead of Campbell and precious little last season to be worth a start ahead of Gregory. Afobe was barely on the wing, he simply had to go off after his failure to control the ball but we don’t know if Jones planned on replacing him with Ince prior to the error or if the error and the crowd reaction forced his hand. We also don’t know what Afobe has been like in training but it’s not difficult to see why Jones would want to give a seemingly motivated Benik who had lost 3kg over the summer a chance. Either way it's hardly 'hindsight' is it as what he produced was broadly in line with his performances to date. This 'seemingly motivated Benik' might've lost the weight but he was hardly scintillating in pre-season, was he? He was barely on the wing but he shouldn't have spent one second there if that was the plan as he's never produced anything whatsoever there. Why not just put Ince on if you need a right winger?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 9, 2019 13:50:00 GMT
Afobe was barely on the wing, he simply had to go off after his failure to control the ball but we don’t know if Jones planned on replacing him with Ince prior to the error or if the error and the crowd reaction forced his hand. We also don’t know what Afobe has been like in training but it’s not difficult to see why Jones would want to give a seemingly motivated Benik who had lost 3kg over the summer a chance. Either way it's hardly 'hindsight' is it as what he produced was broadly in line with his performances to date. This 'seemingly motivated Benik' might've lost the weight but he was hardly scintillating in pre-season, was he? He was barely on the wing but he shouldn't have spent one second there if that was the plan as he's never produced anything whatsoever there. Why not just put Ince on if you need a right winger? Performances in pre-season are difficult to judge. Vokes scored a few in pre-season yet his performance against QPR was worse than Afobes in my opinion. You say he shouldn’t have started because he didn’t have a great game which is being able to look at it in hindsight really. The reaction of those in the crowd who booed/jeered was over the top. Ideally Ince would have replaced Afobe straight away .... I just wouldn’t put the same level of emphasis on the fact that he didn’t as you have.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 9, 2019 13:51:35 GMT
The only player capable of making Vincent Pericard look like Pele.
Hats off to him for that.
A truly awful player.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 15:21:59 GMT
Either way it's hardly 'hindsight' is it as what he produced was broadly in line with his performances to date. This 'seemingly motivated Benik' might've lost the weight but he was hardly scintillating in pre-season, was he? He was barely on the wing but he shouldn't have spent one second there if that was the plan as he's never produced anything whatsoever there. Why not just put Ince on if you need a right winger? Performances in pre-season are difficult to judge. Vokes scored a few in pre-season yet his performance against QPR was worse than Afobes in my opinion. You say he shouldn’t have started because he didn’t have a great game which is being able to look at it in hindsight really. The reaction of those in the crowd who booed/jeered was over the top. Ideally Ince would have replaced Afobe straight away .... I just wouldn’t put the same level of emphasis on the fact that he didn’t as you have. I say he shouldn't have started because he was absolutely dog shit last season and showed nothing in pre-season to suggest he was anything other than dog shit. I was gutted he started against Leicester for that same reason. He's crap.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 9, 2019 15:27:38 GMT
Performances in pre-season are difficult to judge. Vokes scored a few in pre-season yet his performance against QPR was worse than Afobes in my opinion. You say he shouldn’t have started because he didn’t have a great game which is being able to look at it in hindsight really. The reaction of those in the crowd who booed/jeered was over the top. Ideally Ince would have replaced Afobe straight away .... I just wouldn’t put the same level of emphasis on the fact that he didn’t as you have. I say he shouldn't have started because he was absolutely dog shit last season and showed nothing in pre-season to suggest he was anything other than dog shit. I was gutted he started against Leicester for that same reason. He's crap. A totally accurate description!
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 9, 2019 15:33:38 GMT
Performances in pre-season are difficult to judge. Vokes scored a few in pre-season yet his performance against QPR was worse than Afobes in my opinion. You say he shouldn’t have started because he didn’t have a great game which is being able to look at it in hindsight really. The reaction of those in the crowd who booed/jeered was over the top. Ideally Ince would have replaced Afobe straight away .... I just wouldn’t put the same level of emphasis on the fact that he didn’t as you have. I say he shouldn't have started because he was absolutely dog shit last season and showed nothing in pre-season to suggest he was anything other than dog shit. I was gutted he started against Leicester for that same reason. He's crap. I think it was worth giving him the QPR game but you’re right we didn’t see enough of an improvement from last season.
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Post by louis11 on Aug 9, 2019 18:35:05 GMT
Before the game on Saturday, I said to my friends that my prediction was that if Afobe was in the team, we could kiss goodbye to promotion, but if he wasn't then we might stand a chance. He has gone after 1 game so where does that leave my prediction? Actually, I stand by my thoughts as it was more based on the fact that if the manager was stupid enough to pick him, then it proved he has no idea how to put together a team fit for promotion. If he thought he was ahead of Gregory and Campbell enough to pick him, why then let him go on loan? Mr Jones - don't think you know what you are doing - your positivity belies your decision making
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 9, 2019 18:37:28 GMT
Just started working with a group from Bristol so should get a good report
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 9, 2019 18:45:21 GMT
I might have a bet on him scoring tomorrow against Brum
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 9, 2019 18:45:52 GMT
Just started working with a group from Bristol so should get a good report You have my condolences.
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Post by spikey2972 on Aug 9, 2019 23:16:23 GMT
Guaranteed he will start to score for Bristol city.and if he is allowed to play against us you can bet your bottom dollar he will score.i can't believe what is going on at stoke at the moment.in the space of less than a week we have lost 3 strikers worth around 30 million pounds.they have been replaced by 3 strikers who are past there sell by date.l will give Jones until Christmas when he will be sacked or he will walk out.
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 9, 2019 23:48:30 GMT
Regardless of how bad he's been loaning your most expensive striker to a rival club is a big call so it had better work out for us and not them.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 10, 2019 2:25:21 GMT
I haven't bothered checking the stats, but I saw a Bristol City supporter note that most of his goals last season were scored away from home. Can we read anything into that?
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 19, 2019 10:04:47 GMT
"Nothing against Stoke, I've made good friends there. I just felt I needed to play for a team that plays a football more suited to my style. Again, that's nothing against Stoke. "Bristol City are a perfect fit for me but I also think I'm a perfect fit for Bristol City. "We try to get it forward as quickly as possible. We try to be patient with the ball as well but the manager has a philosophy of trying to create chances for forwards and that's my game. "I want to be around it. I don't want to go 20-30 minutes when I'm not involved and playing the ball in behind is my strength. When I go through 1v1 with the keeper. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/afobe-bristol-city-stoke-derby-3224777(Just pasted the Stoke related stuff from the interview to save folk the arse ache of waiting for the ads to load from the page)
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Post by jeycov on Aug 19, 2019 10:08:21 GMT
"Nothing against Stoke, I've made good friends there. I just felt I needed to play for a team that plays a football more suited to my style. Again, that's nothing against Stoke. "Bristol City are a perfect fit for me but I also think I'm a perfect fit for Bristol City. "We try to get it forward as quickly as possible. We try to be patient with the ball as well but the manager has a philosophy of trying to create chances for forwards and that's my game. "I want to be around it. I don't want to go 20-30 minutes when I'm not involved and playing the ball in behind is my strength. When I go through 1v1 with the keeper. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/afobe-bristol-city-stoke-derby-3224777(Just pasted the Stoke related stuff from the interview to save folk the arse ache of waiting for the ads to load from the page) I think that's a fair comment, we didn't play to his strengths Ashley Williams to keep him company now Good luck to both of them except against us
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 19, 2019 10:18:26 GMT
"Nothing against Stoke, I've made good friends there. I just felt I needed to play for a team that plays a football more suited to my style. Again, that's nothing against Stoke. "Bristol City are a perfect fit for me but I also think I'm a perfect fit for Bristol City. "We try to get it forward as quickly as possible. We try to be patient with the ball as well but the manager has a philosophy of trying to create chances for forwards and that's my game. "I want to be around it. I don't want to go 20-30 minutes when I'm not involved and playing the ball in behind is my strength. When I go through 1v1 with the keeper. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/afobe-bristol-city-stoke-derby-3224777(Just pasted the Stoke related stuff from the interview to save folk the arse ache of waiting for the ads to load from the page) I think that's a fair comment, we didn't play to his strengths Ashley Williams to keep him company now Good luck to both of them except against us Afobe is spot on in his comments there. What baffles me though is why Rowett bought him and then didn’t play to his strengths, Rowett wanted a slow patient build up that never suited Afobe but yet he shelled out 12 million on him
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 19, 2019 10:44:28 GMT
"Nothing against Stoke, I've made good friends there. I just felt I needed to play for a team that plays a football more suited to my style. Again, that's nothing against Stoke. "Bristol City are a perfect fit for me but I also think I'm a perfect fit for Bristol City. "We try to get it forward as quickly as possible. We try to be patient with the ball as well but the manager has a philosophy of trying to create chances for forwards and that's my game. "I want to be around it. I don't want to go 20-30 minutes when I'm not involved and playing the ball in behind is my strength. When I go through 1v1 with the keeper. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/afobe-bristol-city-stoke-derby-3224777(Just pasted the Stoke related stuff from the interview to save folk the arse ache of waiting for the ads to load from the page) I can see partly what he’s on about, but he needs to take some responsibility himself. 20-30 minutes when he’s not involved? Would help if he stopped playing statues and moved a bit.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 19, 2019 10:52:12 GMT
I think that's a fair comment, we didn't play to his strengths Ashley Williams to keep him company now Good luck to both of them except against us Afobe is spot on in his comments there. What baffles me though is why Rowett bought him and then didn’t play to his strengths, Rowett wanted a slow patient build up that never suited Afobe but yet he shelled out 12 million on him Nothing baffling, Rowett is clueless!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 11:00:16 GMT
In the interest of balance, Afobe wouldn't have made the run or put the cross in for Hogan like Gregory did, and that was a ball suited to his strengths.
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Post by adi on Aug 19, 2019 11:06:52 GMT
In the interest of balance, Afobe wouldn't have made the run or put the cross in for Hogan like Gregory did, and that was a ball suited to his strengths. I don’t know, we seem to have improved the number of chances quite significantly, and have had a fair share of the ball so I think he could’ve been very useful especially with someone like Gregory getting the ball to him. I guess we won’t know this season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2019 11:11:51 GMT
In the interest of balance, Afobe wouldn't have made the run or put the cross in for Hogan like Gregory did, and that was a ball suited to his strengths. I don’t know, we seem to have improved the number of chances quite significantly, and have had a fair share of the ball so I think he could’ve been very useful especially with someone like Gregory getting the ball to him. I guess we won’t know this season. He’d have actually had to motivate himself to look halfway interested for his part as well...
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Post by adi on Aug 19, 2019 11:23:06 GMT
I don’t know, we seem to have improved the number of chances quite significantly, and have had a fair share of the ball so I think he could’ve been very useful especially with someone like Gregory getting the ball to him. I guess we won’t know this season. He’d have actually had to motivate himself to look halfway interested for his part as well... Always helps 😂
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Post by onionman on Aug 19, 2019 11:25:28 GMT
In the interest of balance, Afobe wouldn't have made the run or put the cross in for Hogan like Gregory did, and that was a ball suited to his strengths. He wouldn’t have been there to finish it off when the cross came in either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 11:26:19 GMT
In the interest of balance, Afobe wouldn't have made the run or put the cross in for Hogan like Gregory did, and that was a ball suited to his strengths. I don’t know, we seem to have improved the number of chances quite significantly, and have had a fair share of the ball so I think he could’ve been very useful especially with someone like Gregory getting the ball to him. I guess we won’t know this season. It is a risk I am glad we are not taking...
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