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Post by dadofsam on Aug 9, 2019 9:58:12 GMT
Yet more proof that in fact many fans know more than the so called football men. Remember the powers that be chose Afobe above other candidates as the striker guaranteed to get us promoted.
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Post by mrred on Aug 9, 2019 10:01:37 GMT
Fucking lol. He'll come good my hairy bollocks. Dunna come back you lazy Shithouse.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 9, 2019 10:19:11 GMT
Yet more proof that in fact many fans know more than the so called football men. Remember the powers that be chose Afobe above other candidates as the striker guaranteed to get us promoted. The knicker wetting reaction to Mark Duffy or more accurately the "wHo Is MaRK DuFfY, WhY ArE We SIgNiNg a WiNGeR" responses yesterday, completely suggest the opposite.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 9, 2019 10:22:23 GMT
Comparing him to our recent transfers who have we signed recently is definitely better than Afobe, Crouch signed in 2011? Joselu, Diouf, Vokes, Berahino all of a similar ilk.
I'm not sure why there is so much hatred for him, he's under-performed but the whole team have and it's not like he's missed lots of chances. Put another way I don't think that Benni leaving will be a cure to all our problems so the celebrations with him leaving feel a little odd to me. For me he will be replaced by someone else who will perform at a similar level.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 10:30:20 GMT
Comparing him to our recent transfers who have we signed recently is definitely better than Afobe, Crouch signed in 2011? Joselu, Diouf, Vokes, Berahino all of a similar ilk. I'm not sure why there is so much hatred for him, he's under-performed but the whole team have and it's not like he's missed lots of chances. Put another way I don't think that Benni leaving will be a cure to all our problems so the celebrations with him leaving feel a little odd to me. For me he will be replaced by someone else who will perform at a similar level. His rank lack of quality and abject laziness, hitched to the fanfare from the management when he was signed, are the reasons.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 9, 2019 10:35:03 GMT
Yet more proof that in fact many fans know more than the so called football men. Remember the powers that be chose Afobe above other candidates as the striker guaranteed to get us promoted. "the powers that be" as you refer to was clearly Rowett heavily encouraged by Phillips. Do not try to put this on anyone else in the club.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2019 10:35:46 GMT
Yet more proof that in fact many fans know more than the so called football men. Remember the powers that be chose Afobe above other candidates as the striker guaranteed to get us promoted. I thought the manager chose him. 'The powers that be' had lined up Dwight Gayle as our striker signing but Rowett demanded Benny.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 9, 2019 10:37:40 GMT
Part of the issue with Afobe is that people got dragged into the “he guarantees goals” myth; anyone who bothered to look at his total career output could see that this was based on one season and several seasons of what he did here- 8 to 10 goals a season. Once you took away the goal scoring myth, his abilities to control a ball were exposed as was the second myth that he is quick. He may have been one of our quicker players, but he didn’t leave any defender for pace in his time with us. The weight of expectation that was created on him ( not by him) was something that he couldn’t live up to. He may not have had a shed load of chances, but unfortunately he missed more of the chances he received than he scored, and for every decent performance ( Sheffield We’d (a), Notts Forest (h)) there were weeks of infuriating, ineffective play. A move is best for his sanity, and even if he performs for Bristol he was destined to be a well behaved Berahino at Stoke (very little goal output).
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 9, 2019 10:41:19 GMT
What disappoints me about Afobe is that ,coming out of the Arsenal academy, I expected him to have a better basic football ability. I thought his general control and first touch would be much better, certainly than he has showed for us.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 9, 2019 10:43:11 GMT
Comparing him to our recent transfers who have we signed recently is definitely better than Afobe, Crouch signed in 2011? Joselu, Diouf, Vokes, Berahino all of a similar ilk. I'm not sure why there is so much hatred for him, he's under-performed but the whole team have and it's not like he's missed lots of chances. Put another way I don't think that Benni leaving will be a cure to all our problems so the celebrations with him leaving feel a little odd to me. For me he will be replaced by someone else who will perform at a similar level. His rank lack of quality and abject laziness, hitched to the fanfare from the management when he was signed, are the reasons. I don't think there was any suggestion he purposely wasn't putting it in though Rob, he was just a piss poor player in a piss poor team and certainly not on a par with thieves like Berahino. My mind goes back to this time last year, West Brom away. Berahino had scored in the cup the game before I think and was basically lauded and celebrated for an hour before the game and all first half. The players, Afobe included, must have thought "if only they knew about the cunt". It's no wonder the club is so soused in poison, looking back.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 10:49:58 GMT
His rank lack of quality and abject laziness, hitched to the fanfare from the management when he was signed, are the reasons. I don't think there was any suggestion he purposely wasn't putting it in though Rob, he was just a piss poor player in a piss poor team and certainly not on a par with thieves like Berahino. My mind goes back to this time last year, West Brom away. Berahino had scored in the cup the game before I think and was basically lauded and celebrated for an hour before the game and all first half. The players, Afobe included, must have thought "if only they knew about the cunt". It's no wonder the club is so soused in poison, looking back. I beg to differ mate. Berahino is a complete shithouse but on the field his performances in the early part of last season were decidedly busier and more useful than Afobe's I thought. Afobe was frequently lazy, wouldn't chase things, couldn't be arsed to get himself back onside or even jump at times. On the few occasions we did get into good positions he was too often miles behind the play. It's a reputation he had at Bournemouth and even at Wolves where he did ok and sadly it proved well founded.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 9, 2019 10:58:30 GMT
I don't think there was any suggestion he purposely wasn't putting it in though Rob, he was just a piss poor player in a piss poor team and certainly not on a par with thieves like Berahino. My mind goes back to this time last year, West Brom away. Berahino had scored in the cup the game before I think and was basically lauded and celebrated for an hour before the game and all first half. The players, Afobe included, must have thought "if only they knew about the cunt". It's no wonder the club is so soused in poison, looking back. I beg to differ mate. Berahino is a complete shithouse but on the field his performances in the early part of last season were decidedly busier and more useful than Afobe's I thought. Afobe was frequently lazy, wouldn't chase things, couldn't be arsed to get himself back onside or even jump at times. On the few occasions we did get into good positions he was too often miles behind the play. It's a reputation he had at Bournemouth and even at Wolves where he did ok and sadly it proved well founded. I don't think you can compare the two in shithousery. I'd like to think that Berahino's story will end up where it deserves to, living under a slip road on the M5 blaming everybody else.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 9, 2019 11:00:20 GMT
I don't think there was any suggestion he purposely wasn't putting it in though Rob, he was just a piss poor player in a piss poor team and certainly not on a par with thieves like Berahino. My mind goes back to this time last year, West Brom away. Berahino had scored in the cup the game before I think and was basically lauded and celebrated for an hour before the game and all first half. The players, Afobe included, must have thought "if only they knew about the cunt". It's no wonder the club is so soused in poison, looking back. I beg to differ mate. Berahino is a complete shithouse but on the field his performances in the early part of last season were decidedly busier and more useful than Afobe's I thought. Afobe was frequently lazy, wouldn't chase things, couldn't be arsed to get himself back onside or even jump at times. On the few occasions we did get into good positions he was too often miles behind the play. It's a reputation he had at Bournemouth and even at Wolves where he did ok and sadly it proved well founded. Typically though in that West Brom game he put in one of the most abysmal spells of forward play in the history of the club, precisely because he doesn't give a fuck about anything. I would never put Afobe in that bracket. He's just a shit footballer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 11:02:06 GMT
I beg to differ mate. Berahino is a complete shithouse but on the field his performances in the early part of last season were decidedly busier and more useful than Afobe's I thought. Afobe was frequently lazy, wouldn't chase things, couldn't be arsed to get himself back onside or even jump at times. On the few occasions we did get into good positions he was too often miles behind the play. It's a reputation he had at Bournemouth and even at Wolves where he did ok and sadly it proved well founded. Typically though in that West Brom game he put in one of the most abysmal spells of forward play in the history of the club, precisely because he doesn't give a fuck about anything. I would never put Afobe in that bracket. He's just a shit footballer. He's not the abject piece of human waste that Berahino is, absolutely mate, but that's the faintest of faint praise. I'm not having it that he can't be considered lazy just because he isn't as bad as Berahino, who is the very nadir of the profession.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 9, 2019 11:12:07 GMT
What disappoints me about Afobe is that ,coming out of the Arsenal academy, I expected him to have a better basic football ability. I thought his general control and first touch would be much better, certainly than he has showed for us. That explains it with the Arsenal link. I’m wondering whether he has been a sleeper sent by Arsenal to get some revenge after the embarrassments we’ve caused them.😂😂😂
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 9, 2019 11:12:22 GMT
Typically though in that West Brom game he put in one of the most abysmal spells of forward play in the history of the club, precisely because he doesn't give a fuck about anything. I would never put Afobe in that bracket. He's just a shit footballer. He's not the abject piece of human waste that Berahino is, absolutely mate, but that's the faintest of faint praise. I'm not having it that he can't be considered lazy just because he isn't as bad as Berahino, who is the very nadir of the profession. I don't agree he was lazy he worked quite hard on Saturday but was simply gash. I think if you're saying Afobe is lazy then you have to say so is Vokes. Ultimately though, what does it say about the manager that this player was front and central to his plans for the season until about half past four last weekend?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 11:15:37 GMT
He's not the abject piece of human waste that Berahino is, absolutely mate, but that's the faintest of faint praise. I'm not having it that he can't be considered lazy just because he isn't as bad as Berahino, who is the very nadir of the profession. I don't agree he was lazy he worked quite hard on Saturday but was simply gash. I think if you're saying Afobe is lazy then you have to say so is Vokes. Ultimately though, what does it say about the manager that this player was front and central to his plans for the season until about half past four last weekend? I'm basing it on last season mate, when he absolutely was lazy. He looked like he was trying on Saturday but was just crap, but last season's sloth can't be overlooked. I know what I saw and I saw a bloke who wouldn't jump for aerial duels or break into a jog from an offside position. If that isn't laziness, what would we describe it as? I can't for the life of me fathom why he started at the weekend, it made no sense whatsoever. That he's now been binned off suggests that the crowd killed him dead, and though it was unpleasant to see and hear, it's done us a massive favour.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 9, 2019 11:17:05 GMT
Comparing him to our recent transfers who have we signed recently is definitely better than Afobe, Crouch signed in 2011? Joselu, Diouf, Vokes, Berahino all of a similar ilk. I'm not sure why there is so much hatred for him, he's under-performed but the whole team have and it's not like he's missed lots of chances. Put another way I don't think that Benni leaving will be a cure to all our problems so the celebrations with him leaving feel a little odd to me. For me he will be replaced by someone else who will perform at a similar level. His rank lack of quality and abject laziness, hitched to the fanfare from the management when he was signed, are the reasons. I thought he looked busy on Saturday even if he was incredibly poor. He was out on the wings and trying to make things happen while admittedly tripping over the ball a number of times. I'm not sure he was lazy at the weekend. He did come with fanfare which hasn't helped but I suppose the Bournemouth fans warnings were quite accurate that he isn't the most technically gifted player.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 9, 2019 11:23:26 GMT
I'm basing it on last season mate, when he absolutely was lazy. He looked like he was trying on Saturday but was just crap, but last season's sloth can't be overlooked. I know what I saw and I saw a bloke who wouldn't jump for aerial duels or break into a jog from an offside position. If that isn't laziness, what would we describe it as? I can't for the life of me fathom why he started at the weekend, it made no sense whatsoever. That he's now been binned off suggests that the crowd killed him dead, and though it was unpleasant to see and hear, it's done us a massive favour. I'm with Sheik I thought Vokes' arial duals were much more frustrating than Afobes. I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't think his departure will solve anything. I think in a few months time his replacement will probably be going through the exact same thing unless I'm misreading your 'massive favour' comment? The best scenario I can see is we play Gregory who will cover a little more ground, not much more in my opinion and have a very similar score rate.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 11:28:50 GMT
His rank lack of quality and abject laziness, hitched to the fanfare from the management when he was signed, are the reasons. I thought he looked busy on Saturday even if he was incredibly poor. He was out on the wings and trying to make things happen while admittedly tripping over the ball a number of times. I'm not sure he was lazy at the weekend. He did come with fanfare which hasn't helped but I suppose the Bournemouth fans warnings were quite accurate that he isn't the most technically gifted player. I'm not talking about the weekend, I'm talking about last season. Is this a Men in Black situation where everyone's been neuralised to erase that from their memories?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 11:29:56 GMT
I'm basing it on last season mate, when he absolutely was lazy. He looked like he was trying on Saturday but was just crap, but last season's sloth can't be overlooked. I know what I saw and I saw a bloke who wouldn't jump for aerial duels or break into a jog from an offside position. If that isn't laziness, what would we describe it as? I can't for the life of me fathom why he started at the weekend, it made no sense whatsoever. That he's now been binned off suggests that the crowd killed him dead, and though it was unpleasant to see and hear, it's done us a massive favour. I'm with Sheik I thought Vokes' arial duals were much more frustrating than Afobes. I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't think his departure will solve anything. I think in a few months time his replacement will probably be going through the exact same thing unless I'm misreading your 'massive favour' comment? The best scenario I can see is we play Gregory who will cover a little more ground, not much more in my opinion and have a very similar score rate. If his replacement actively gives a shit then he won't go through it. Gregory will cover more ground but then again so could an arthritic snail.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 9, 2019 11:33:42 GMT
When interviewed I thought Afobe came over as a likeable bloke. I suspect a chronic lack of confidence combined with a complete loss of form has done for him. He has looked a terrible footballer though.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 9, 2019 11:36:17 GMT
I think we always worry about these sort of things. We worried when we let go the likes of Beattie, Tuncay, Jones etc. But when we do let a player go for peanuts it's pretty rare they go on and do better elsewhere. It's only when they go for serious cash such as Arnie, Zonz do they go onto achieve more Hopefully Hogan does
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 9, 2019 11:41:25 GMT
I thought he looked busy on Saturday even if he was incredibly poor. He was out on the wings and trying to make things happen while admittedly tripping over the ball a number of times. I'm not sure he was lazy at the weekend. He did come with fanfare which hasn't helped but I suppose the Bournemouth fans warnings were quite accurate that he isn't the most technically gifted player. I'm not talking about the weekend, I'm talking about last season. Is this a Men in Black situation where everyone's been neuralised to erase that from their memories? Definitely not, I suppose I've assumed that we cheer based on the performance and effort of that day so I guess those that boo-ed did it in a similar vein. I thought it was an improvement in effort from his performances last season which is part of the reason I found it a strange reaction.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 11:44:06 GMT
I'm not talking about the weekend, I'm talking about last season. Is this a Men in Black situation where everyone's been neuralised to erase that from their memories? Definitely not, I suppose I've assumed that we cheer based on the performance and effort of that day so I guess those that boo-ed did it in a similar vein. I thought it was an improvement in effort from his performances last season which is part of the reason I found it a strange reaction. I think people had just had enough and the manager to an extent inadvertently hung him out to dry. His performance had a little more effort but was still technically woeful and rightly or wrongly that failure to control a simple ball was the last straw. Jones shouldn't have started him and he certainly shouldn't have shunted him onto the wing where he categorically cannot play.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 9, 2019 11:46:34 GMT
Yet more proof that in fact many fans know more than the so called football men. Remember the powers that be chose Afobe above other candidates as the striker guaranteed to get us promoted. You’re not really suggesting that you knew Afobe was going to be a disappointment before he was signed ...... are you?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 9, 2019 11:49:33 GMT
Definitely not, I suppose I've assumed that we cheer based on the performance and effort of that day so I guess those that boo-ed did it in a similar vein. I thought it was an improvement in effort from his performances last season which is part of the reason I found it a strange reaction. I think people had just had enough and the manager to an extent inadvertently hung him out to dry. His performance had a little more effort but was still technically woeful and rightly or wrongly that failure to control a simple ball was the last straw. Jones shouldn't have started him and he certainly shouldn't have shunted him onto the wing where he categorically cannot play. Easy to say with hindsight.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 9, 2019 11:50:41 GMT
Everything that has happened with afobe this last few days betrays a worrying lack of focus and direction on the part of the manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2019 11:50:49 GMT
I think people had just had enough and the manager to an extent inadvertently hung him out to dry. His performance had a little more effort but was still technically woeful and rightly or wrongly that failure to control a simple ball was the last straw. Jones shouldn't have started him and he certainly shouldn't have shunted him onto the wing where he categorically cannot play. Easy to say with hindsight. I don't think hindsight comes into it does it? Were you clamouring for him to start? I sure as shit wasn't and I certainly didn't want him played on the wing.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 9, 2019 11:54:31 GMT
It seems an odd way to do it - in a competitive game - but Jones must have seen it last chance saloon with Afobe last Saturday. I know we've had expensive wasters in terms of personality but for £12 million, this guy must be the worst footballer. It gives me no pleasure sticking the boot and I certainly don't do it at games but he's just really, really shit.
For those saying Bristol City have got themselves a goalscorer, I really wouldn't be so sure. He missed easy chances playing for us but his highlights reel looks decent because a lot of goals are spectacular. He seems to be good at doing the hard, instinctive things but give him time and he shits himself. I really don't see Bristol City turning him into a 20 goal a season striker and even if they do, it's not because of anything we did or didn't do here. He was just dreadful for the most part.
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