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Post by shipshape on May 6, 2019 18:16:43 GMT
Home for Gregory is in Yorkshire, which wasnt particularly close to stoke last time I looked. He could probably get home quicker on the train from London than he'll be able to drive to stoke I'm repeating what has been reported. He's a Sheffield lad, hardly Scarborough. Why is wanting to move closer to home a bad thing?
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Post by Gods on May 6, 2019 19:36:26 GMT
It's been god awful so far, 3 wins in 21 and goals all but a thing of the past. No choice but to stick and hope things improve, we can't have a 5th manager in 16 months. Does he know is his arse from his elbow? Who knows. In our last two home games we have played both the teams that were automatically promoted. We scored twice in both of those games. Not saying things are perfect, but clearly there are some signs of improvement. This narrative of constant catastrophe is so one-sided, whiny and really fucking boring. The only people that keep repeating it are those who actually enjoy being negative all the time and have endless free time to saturate everyone else with their moaning. The narrative isn't the problem, it's the results.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2019 19:37:27 GMT
In our last two home games we have played both the teams that were automatically promoted. We scored twice in both of those games. Not saying things are perfect, but clearly there are some signs of improvement. This narrative of constant catastrophe is so one-sided, whiny and really fucking boring. The only people that keep repeating it are those who actually enjoy being negative all the time and have endless free time to saturate everyone else with their moaning. The narrative isn't the problem, it's the results. Performances are gradually improving. If that continues then the results will follow.
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Post by Gods on May 6, 2019 19:40:09 GMT
The narrative isn't the problem, it's the results. Performances are gradually improving. If that continues then the results will follow. I hope so !
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Post by citynickscfc on May 6, 2019 19:53:56 GMT
Performances are gradually improving. If that continues then the results will follow. I hope so ! Correlatively speaking that statement is incorrect. 4 wins in 4 months. The PPG has not improved, it's declined. This idea of negativity ruining things is ridiculous. Accurate observations are necessary and changes made or forced upon the club for the right reasons. Emotion plays no part in our progression (there's no place for sentimentalism nor blind enthusiasm). Saying we hope for playoffs is one thing, playoffs here we come is completely different. The best thing we can hope for is a complete overhaul and that too is unrealistic. When there are things to be positive about we will be positive. Right now there is simply pie in the sky comments from a manager yet to prove anything. He has a great attitude and long may it continue but results matter most. Had Rowett taken us into the playoffs is have happily kept him even with his cuntishness. The same for the latter, Jones does well, great, he continues to fail and his attitude mean nothing
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 7, 2019 9:35:01 GMT
Christ another let give him time post! Yes I get it. Fast forward to the end of next season for a cut and paste post in the same theme. Jones is an inexperienced manager who frankly has to learn fast. Lets hope he does. Norwich is a totally different scenario. Farke learnt his management skills at Borussia Dortmund and tapped into his European contacts to come up with some serious gems for little investment, We on the other hand have appointed a manager who learnt his trade in div 1 and div 2 and will be back there for many of his new players, lets hope its a winning strategy Brian Clough learnt his trade at Hartlepools United and drove the team bus. During his career he often signed "unknown" and little thought of players (as well as some of the best) because his aim was to build successful teams, which Jones has already done. Ferguson started in the Scottish 2nd Division and got sacked from his first job. Starting at the bottom and working your way up produces some of the best managers in life. More so than some who have it handed to them on a plate. Ferguson was sacked by St Mirren because he was on the take is what my Mirren supporting friend tells me
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Post by mrcoke on May 7, 2019 11:11:05 GMT
Brian Clough learnt his trade at Hartlepools United and drove the team bus. During his career he often signed "unknown" and little thought of players (as well as some of the best) because his aim was to build successful teams, which Jones has already done. Ferguson started in the Scottish 2nd Division and got sacked from his first job. Starting at the bottom and working your way up produces some of the best managers in life. More so than some who have it handed to them on a plate. Ferguson was sacked by St Mirren because he was on the take is what my Mirren supporting friend tells me I don't know whether that is true or libelous, the main point is that he started at St Mirren, which is a damn sight lower in the football pecking order than Luton. Most Scottish 2nd Division clubs would not get in the football league.
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Post by philm87 on May 7, 2019 11:31:47 GMT
In our last two home games we have played both the teams that were automatically promoted. We scored twice in both of those games. Not saying things are perfect, but clearly there are some signs of improvement. This narrative of constant catastrophe is so one-sided, whiny and really fucking boring. The only people that keep repeating it are those who actually enjoy being negative all the time and have endless free time to saturate everyone else with their moaning. The narrative isn't the problem, it's the results. What is wrong with those two results I just listed? Either way, the point of the OP is that there is a relationship between the two. You continue being a dour negative bastard all the time and you make Jones's job that little bit harder.
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Post by Roy Cropper on May 7, 2019 11:47:43 GMT
If we're 16th next season he should be sacked. The end. Farke finished 15th last year after a full season and two transfer windows, should he have gone?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 7, 2019 13:18:09 GMT
If we're 16th next season he should be sacked. The end. Farke finished 15th last year after a full season and two transfer windows, should he have gone? I dunno, did he have the biggest wage budget and most costly assembled squad?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 8, 2019 11:40:09 GMT
Ferguson was sacked by St Mirren because he was on the take is what my Mirren supporting friend tells me I don't know whether that is true or libelous, the main point is that he started at St Mirren, which is a damn sight lower in the football pecking order than Luton. Most Scottish 2nd Division clubs would not get in the football league. True apparently if you talk to Mirren fans. Not sure about libellous but to be fair couldn't give a flying....
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Post by Goonie on May 8, 2019 12:15:12 GMT
And love will tear us apart
Again
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Post by harrysburrow on May 8, 2019 18:47:52 GMT
Toxic Twats 😊
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Post by Godo on May 9, 2019 5:52:09 GMT
From a purely practical point of view is having several fans who spend most of the match day on their feet shouting utter shite, fans who moan at the first back pass or misplaced pass and fans who can t wait to start a negative thread on here likely to encourage players like Etebo to stay? Are these things likely to encourage players from other clubs who have experienced the current BET365 "atmosphere" to join us? Our fan base has become another example of the post Brexit world where everything is divided into hopers and haters. We've also become the sort of entitled Premiership fans who we used to hate. This is a massive job to sort out and the fault lies primarily with those responsible for recruitment and contracts not the fans but it's time for the fans to get back to living in hope not expectation and to accept our current reality and to give the manager time and support.
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Post by bloodtypered on May 11, 2019 7:22:19 GMT
That includes Pejic and Lawrence stirring for stories
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Post by Roger Everyone on May 11, 2019 8:31:39 GMT
I'm not going to pretend that the last few years have been anything but awful, but when it comes to discussing Stoke, I'm already getting sick of stating the case for the bleeding obvious. For the first time in years we have a manager at the helm who has a long-term plan, a tactical vision and a recent success on which to base his Stoke blueprint. However, never before has a new manager been burdened with such a dreadfully imbalanced and unmotivated squad of high-earning toxic twats. Simply getting to the end of the season unscathed is, for 2018/19, mission complete as far as I'm concerned. I honestly don't think any Stoke manager has come into a more difficult situation than Jones has, and now he needs time to get rid of the dross and start to bring in his own players. All the while though, we have the looming shadow of FFP limiting our room for manoeuvre, meaning we have to either get rid of the likes of Wimmer, Imbula et al (which has so far proven to be impossible) or sell the crown jewels and replace them with cheaper alternatives. Make no mistake, this is the sort of scenario that relegates bigger clubs than us (ask Sunderland) so we really have to be patient with what we're asking Jones to achieve and the time we're expecting him to achieve it in. While the more impatient amongst us will point to Norwich and demand a similar rise from mid-table obscurity from stoke next year, we have to remember that what The Canaries have achieved is something exceptional, not a divine right for any club with a bit of history. The kind of pricks who are already hammering Jones for everything he does are the sort of gobshites who Norwich also had to contend with- and there were plenty of idiots in Norfolk calling for Daniel Farke's head because they were too impatient/stupid to realise that successful football teams are built over time, not overnight. Make no mistake, Nathan Jones knows exactly what he wants when it comes to his team. he knows the system he wants to play and he knows the sort of players he wants in that system. What he can't do is magic them all here over one summer and get them integrated into his plan within a matter of weeks. Next year, I hope we do see something much better than this year (we need to, to be fair) but please don't demand that we fly out of the blocks and are tearing up the division by September; it isn't going to happen. We have to trust this man to assemble what he wants, and having read a fair bit on what he turned Luton into and how he did it, the main thing he needs from us is patience and time. I'm as sick of watching shite as anyone, but over the last few weeks of the season, the first green shoots of progress were visible. We were the better side against the 2 teams who won automatic promotion and also dominated Millwall on their own patch; compare that to the chaotic shambles we saw at Brentford or the moribund dross that Rowett oversaw at Christmas time. It wasn't brilliant, no, but it was a lot better. Therefore, please let's not allow this summer to turn into 3 months of sniping and bitching, where we whinge at every player we're linked with, slash our wrists at every friendly defeat and then enter next year under a cloud of negativity. We have to allow the manager to do his thing and start the re-build, and it isn't going to be done in one window. This summer's about starting that process; next season's about making visible, demonstrable progress from this one and restoring some pride; the future's about building us into something like we once were, but we're not at that point yet. As supporters, we have to do our part- support the manager, support the club and allow success the conditions it needs in order to grow. . You managed to post that before i did ! 😁 Spot on, i am awarding you a free drink at a bar of your choice, just get the barman to put the drink on my tab 😀
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Post by spitthedog on May 11, 2019 10:58:31 GMT
I'm not going to pretend that the last few years have been anything but awful, but when it comes to discussing Stoke, I'm already getting sick of stating the case for the bleeding obvious. For the first time in years we have a manager at the helm who has a long-term plan, a tactical vision and a recent success on which to base his Stoke blueprint. However, never before has a new manager been burdened with such a dreadfully imbalanced and unmotivated squad of high-earning toxic twats. Simply getting to the end of the season unscathed is, for 2018/19, mission complete as far as I'm concerned. I honestly don't think any Stoke manager has come into a more difficult situation than Jones has, and now he needs time to get rid of the dross and start to bring in his own players. All the while though, we have the looming shadow of FFP limiting our room for manoeuvre, meaning we have to either get rid of the likes of Wimmer, Imbula et al (which has so far proven to be impossible) or sell the crown jewels and replace them with cheaper alternatives. Make no mistake, this is the sort of scenario that relegates bigger clubs than us (ask Sunderland) so we really have to be patient with what we're asking Jones to achieve and the time we're expecting him to achieve it in. While the more impatient amongst us will point to Norwich and demand a similar rise from mid-table obscurity from stoke next year, we have to remember that what The Canaries have achieved is something exceptional, not a divine right for any club with a bit of history. The kind of pricks who are already hammering Jones for everything he does are the sort of gobshites who Norwich also had to contend with- and there were plenty of idiots in Norfolk calling for Daniel Farke's head because they were too impatient/stupid to realise that successful football teams are built over time, not overnight. Make no mistake, Nathan Jones knows exactly what he wants when it comes to his team. he knows the system he wants to play and he knows the sort of players he wants in that system. What he can't do is magic them all here over one summer and get them integrated into his plan within a matter of weeks. Next year, I hope we do see something much better than this year (we need to, to be fair) but please don't demand that we fly out of the blocks and are tearing up the division by September; it isn't going to happen. We have to trust this man to assemble what he wants, and having read a fair bit on what he turned Luton into and how he did it, the main thing he needs from us is patience and time. I'm as sick of watching shite as anyone, but over the last few weeks of the season, the first green shoots of progress were visible. We were the better side against the 2 teams who won automatic promotion and also dominated Millwall on their own patch; compare that to the chaotic shambles we saw at Brentford or the moribund dross that Rowett oversaw at Christmas time. It wasn't brilliant, no, but it was a lot better. Therefore, please let's not allow this summer to turn into 3 months of sniping and bitching, where we whinge at every player we're linked with, slash our wrists at every friendly defeat and then enter next year under a cloud of negativity. We have to allow the manager to do his thing and start the re-build, and it isn't going to be done in one window. This summer's about starting that process; next season's about making visible, demonstrable progress from this one and restoring some pride; the future's about building us into something like we once were, but we're not at that point yet. As supporters, we have to do our part- support the manager, support the club and allow success the conditions it needs in order to grow. . You managed to post that before i did ! 😁 Spot on, i am awarding you a free drink at a bar of your choice, just get the barman to put the drink on my tab 😀 I think the best reason to avoid 3 months sniping, bitching and whinging is because it is tiresome, boring, pointless and a waste of everyone's energy. Its nowt to do with what goes on at the actual club. Whether we whinge or not is not going to make one iota of difference to the comings and goings. It's another delusion of football fans that they have some kind of influence on these things. If they do its very, very minimal in the modern era. In game time Stoke fans are very supportive and optimistic towards their club, and I'm sure they will continue to be the same, so I don't see the issue. Its only on here, and this is a virtual reality, not the real world. Also we need to save all our energy for August
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