|
Post by Trouserdog on May 6, 2019 15:09:38 GMT
I'm sure we can all agree that if it wasn't for negativity on the Oatcake we would be playing Barcelona on Tuesday with an away goal That's what you think I'm saying is it? I give up.
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 6, 2019 15:11:40 GMT
I've pretty much kept me gob shut since Nathan's arrival. Prepared to give him and the players a chance to see what they've got. Not impressed with what he's shown so far. Even pre match yesterday he was full of hollow words, contradictory shit. 'A great Club, great players etc etc. Looking forward to building my own squad...' Actions Nathan, actions... should be doing far better with the squad that you've got. Crap selections, shite tactics. The Diamond exposed down the sides yet again. Hoping for a miraculous summer, it'll have to be to alter this. Not impressed so far. ;-( How many actions in relation to building the squad he wants do you expect from him so far?? Oh I don't know... Collins, Sorenson, Bojan? A dead rubber and we showed nowt. I can't even say he's particularly stopped any rot. He started his tenure serving up a dog's dinner, fan blaming, mealy mouthed. Can't see he's progressed much from that. We'll see.
|
|
|
Post by Lakeland Potter on May 6, 2019 15:17:00 GMT
I'm not going to pretend that the last few years have been anything but awful, but when it comes to discussing Stoke, I'm already getting sick of stating the case for the bleeding obvious. For the first time in years we have a manager at the helm who has a long-term plan, a tactical vision and a recent success on which to base his Stoke blueprint. However, never before has a new manager been burdened with such a dreadfully imbalanced and unmotivated squad of high-earning toxic twats. Simply getting to the end of the season unscathed is, for 2018/19, mission complete as far as I'm concerned. I honestly don't think any Stoke manager has come into a more difficult situation than Jones has, and now he needs time to get rid of the dross and start to bring in his own players. All the while though, we have the looming shadow of FFP limiting our room for manoeuvre, meaning we have to either get rid of the likes of Wimmer, Imbula et al (which has so far proven to be impossible) or sell the crown jewels and replace them with cheaper alternatives. Make no mistake, this is the sort of scenario that relegates bigger clubs than us (ask Sunderland) so we really have to be patient with what we're asking Jones to achieve and the time we're expecting him to achieve it in. While the more impatient amongst us will point to Norwich and demand a similar rise from mid-table obscurity from stoke next year, we have to remember that what The Canaries have achieved is something exceptional, not a divine right for any club with a bit of history. The kind of pricks who are already hammering Jones for everything he does are the sort of gobshites who Norwich also had to contend with- and there were plenty of idiots in Norfolk calling for Daniel Farke's head because they were too impatient/stupid to realise that successful football teams are built over time, not overnight. Make no mistake, Nathan Jones knows exactly what he wants when it comes to his team. he knows the system he wants to play and he knows the sort of players he wants in that system. What he can't do is magic them all here over one summer and get them integrated into his plan within a matter of weeks. Next year, I hope we do see something much better than this year (we need to, to be fair) but please don't demand that we fly out of the blocks and are tearing up the division by September; it isn't going to happen. We have to trust this man to assemble what he wants, and having read a fair bit on what he turned Luton into and how he did it, the main thing he needs from us is patience and time. I'm as sick of watching shite as anyone, but over the last few weeks of the season, the first green shoots of progress were visible. We were the better side against the 2 teams who won automatic promotion and also dominated Millwall on their own patch; compare that to the chaotic shambles we saw at Brentford or the moribund dross that Rowett oversaw at Christmas time. It wasn't brilliant, no, but it was a lot better. Therefore, please let's not allow this summer to turn into 3 months of sniping and bitching, where we whinge at every player we're linked with, slash our wrists at every friendly defeat and then enter next year under a cloud of negativity. We have to allow the manager to do his thing and start the re-build, and it isn't going to be done in one window. This summer's about starting that process; next season's about making visible, demonstrable progress from this one and restoring some pride; the future's about building us into something like we once were, but we're not at that point yet. As supporters, we have to do our part- support the manager, support the club and allow success the conditions it needs in order to grow. Spot on. My feelings exactly.
|
|
|
Post by Edward Tattsyrup on May 6, 2019 15:27:44 GMT
I'm not going to pretend that the last few years have been anything but awful, but when it comes to discussing Stoke, I'm already getting sick of stating the case for the bleeding obvious. For the first time in years we have a manager at the helm who has a long-term plan, a tactical vision and a recent success on which to base his Stoke blueprint. However, never before has a new manager been burdened with such a dreadfully imbalanced and unmotivated squad of high-earning toxic twats. Simply getting to the end of the season unscathed is, for 2018/19, mission complete as far as I'm concerned. I honestly don't think any Stoke manager has come into a more difficult situation than Jones has, and now he needs time to get rid of the dross and start to bring in his own players. All the while though, we have the looming shadow of FFP limiting our room for manoeuvre, meaning we have to either get rid of the likes of Wimmer, Imbula et al (which has so far proven to be impossible) or sell the crown jewels and replace them with cheaper alternatives. Make no mistake, this is the sort of scenario that relegates bigger clubs than us (ask Sunderland) so we really have to be patient with what we're asking Jones to achieve and the time we're expecting him to achieve it in. While the more impatient amongst us will point to Norwich and demand a similar rise from mid-table obscurity from stoke next year, we have to remember that what The Canaries have achieved is something exceptional, not a divine right for any club with a bit of history. The kind of pricks who are already hammering Jones for everything he does are the sort of gobshites who Norwich also had to contend with- and there were plenty of idiots in Norfolk calling for Daniel Farke's head because they were too impatient/stupid to realise that successful football teams are built over time, not overnight. Make no mistake, Nathan Jones knows exactly what he wants when it comes to his team. he knows the system he wants to play and he knows the sort of players he wants in that system. What he can't do is magic them all here over one summer and get them integrated into his plan within a matter of weeks. Next year, I hope we do see something much better than this year (we need to, to be fair) but please don't demand that we fly out of the blocks and are tearing up the division by September; it isn't going to happen. We have to trust this man to assemble what he wants, and having read a fair bit on what he turned Luton into and how he did it, the main thing he needs from us is patience and time. I'm as sick of watching shite as anyone, but over the last few weeks of the season, the first green shoots of progress were visible. We were the better side against the 2 teams who won automatic promotion and also dominated Millwall on their own patch; compare that to the chaotic shambles we saw at Brentford or the moribund dross that Rowett oversaw at Christmas time. It wasn't brilliant, no, but it was a lot better. Therefore, please let's not allow this summer to turn into 3 months of sniping and bitching, where we whinge at every player we're linked with, slash our wrists at every friendly defeat and then enter next year under a cloud of negativity. We have to allow the manager to do his thing and start the re-build, and it isn't going to be done in one window. This summer's about starting that process; next season's about making visible, demonstrable progress from this one and restoring some pride; the future's about building us into something like we once were, but we're not at that point yet. As supporters, we have to do our part- support the manager, support the club and allow success the conditions it needs in order to grow. Now is the time for courage, on the pitch, off the pitch and in the stands. Can't wait for next season and the NEW SCFC. COYMP
|
|
|
Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 6, 2019 15:44:50 GMT
100%, great post.
|
|
|
Post by kelw on May 6, 2019 15:49:18 GMT
I'm not going to pretend that the last few years have been anything but awful, but when it comes to discussing Stoke, I'm already getting sick of stating the case for the bleeding obvious. For the first time in years we have a manager at the helm who has a long-term plan, a tactical vision and a recent success on which to base his Stoke blueprint. However, never before has a new manager been burdened with such a dreadfully imbalanced and unmotivated squad of high-earning toxic twats. Simply getting to the end of the season unscathed is, for 2018/19, mission complete as far as I'm concerned. I honestly don't think any Stoke manager has come into a more difficult situation than Jones has, and now he needs time to get rid of the dross and start to bring in his own players. All the while though, we have the looming shadow of FFP limiting our room for manoeuvre, meaning we have to either get rid of the likes of Wimmer, Imbula et al (which has so far proven to be impossible) or sell the crown jewels and replace them with cheaper alternatives. Make no mistake, this is the sort of scenario that relegates bigger clubs than us (ask Sunderland) so we really have to be patient with what we're asking Jones to achieve and the time we're expecting him to achieve it in. While the more impatient amongst us will point to Norwich and demand a similar rise from mid-table obscurity from stoke next year, we have to remember that what The Canaries have achieved is something exceptional, not a divine right for any club with a bit of history. The kind of pricks who are already hammering Jones for everything he does are the sort of gobshites who Norwich also had to contend with- and there were plenty of idiots in Norfolk calling for Daniel Farke's head because they were too impatient/stupid to realise that successful football teams are built over time, not overnight. Make no mistake, Nathan Jones knows exactly what he wants when it comes to his team. he knows the system he wants to play and he knows the sort of players he wants in that system. What he can't do is magic them all here over one summer and get them integrated into his plan within a matter of weeks. Next year, I hope we do see something much better than this year (we need to, to be fair) but please don't demand that we fly out of the blocks and are tearing up the division by September; it isn't going to happen. We have to trust this man to assemble what he wants, and having read a fair bit on what he turned Luton into and how he did it, the main thing he needs from us is patience and time. I'm as sick of watching shite as anyone, but over the last few weeks of the season, the first green shoots of progress were visible. We were the better side against the 2 teams who won automatic promotion and also dominated Millwall on their own patch; compare that to the chaotic shambles we saw at Brentford or the moribund dross that Rowett oversaw at Christmas time. It wasn't brilliant, no, but it was a lot better. Therefore, please let's not allow this summer to turn into 3 months of sniping and bitching, where we whinge at every player we're linked with, slash our wrists at every friendly defeat and then enter next year under a cloud of negativity. We have to allow the manager to do his thing and start the re-build, and it isn't going to be done in one window. This summer's about starting that process; next season's about making visible, demonstrable progress from this one and restoring some pride; the future's about building us into something like we once were, but we're not at that point yet. As supporters, we have to do our part- support the manager, support the club and allow success the conditions it needs in order to grow. A few moaners on an internet site will make no difference. Were moaners in our promotion season, when were were finishing top 10...let's see what happens
|
|
|
Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 6, 2019 16:00:48 GMT
I don't think Jones has a bad situation here, he'll be given the money he needs to bring the players he wants and the target is promotion.
Why do people keep going on about FFP? other clubs who wanted premier league football didn't give a fuck about it, I'm pretty sure Bournemouth posted a 38 million quid loss and only got fined about half what we spent on Badou.
Jones will be given the backing he needs as was Rowett, and again, promotion is the target. Jones has said it himself, quite plainly.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on May 6, 2019 16:13:51 GMT
I don't think Jones has a bad situation here, he'll be given the money he needs to bring the players he wants and the target is promotion. Why do people keep going on about FFP? other clubs who wanted premier league football didn't give a fuck about it, I'm pretty sure Bournemouth posted a 38 million quid loss and only got fined about half what we spent on Badou. Jones will be given the backing he needs as was Rowett, and again, promotion is the target. Jones has said it himself, quite plainly. Promotion was the target this season was it not, that went well we have just finished a season with 3 wins in the last 4 months.
|
|
|
Post by loosestools on May 6, 2019 16:20:11 GMT
I don't think Jones has a bad situation here, he'll be given the money he needs to bring the players he wants and the target is promotion. Why do people keep going on about FFP? other clubs who wanted premier league football didn't give a fuck about it, I'm pretty sure Bournemouth posted a 38 million quid loss and only got fined about half what we spent on Badou. Jones will be given the backing he needs as was Rowett, and again, promotion is the target. Jones has said it himself, quite plainly. Promotion was the target this season was it not, that went well we have just finished a season with 3 wins in the last 4 months. Is that negativity or reality? Never confuse the two.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on May 6, 2019 16:22:04 GMT
Promotion was the target this season was it not, that went well we have just finished a season with 3 wins in the last 4 months. Is that negativity or reality? Never confuse the two. The reality of fact
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 16:28:43 GMT
He kept saying it this now past season from the day he was hired till the day it was mathematically impossible. Now he's already saying it two months before the season has even started. Ambitions are fine, but he's probably placing more stress on himself and his players than necessary. Would it be so hard to say, we are going to do as well as we possibly can instead. I don't know, it's probably a very British thing, very Churchilllike. No one at Ajax said all season, we must win the Champions League this season, maybe because first they had to win the qualification rounds. Be that as it may they have been under no pressure this season and look where it's taken them.
|
|
|
Post by brinsleymaclagan on May 6, 2019 16:28:58 GMT
Should we shut down the Oatcake and all social media so no one can hurt the managements feelings by moaning? The fans will soon get behind the team as soon as they see that there has been some progress with regard to the quality of football.
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on May 6, 2019 16:36:54 GMT
Ah yes of course, silly me, it's negativity on a message board that's the real problem not shit management, recruitment and coaching.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on May 6, 2019 16:37:44 GMT
He kept saying it this now past season from the day he was hired till the day it was mathematically impossible. Now he's already saying it two months before the season has even started. Ambitions are fine, but he's probably placing more stress on himself and his players than necessary. Would it be so hard to say, we are going to do as well as we possibly can instead. I don't know, it's probably a very British thing, very Churchilllike. No one at Ajax said all season, we must win the Champions League this season, maybe because first they had to win the qualification rounds. Be that as it may they have been under no pressure this season and look where it's taken them. He's making a rod for his own back, he needs to learn how to manage expectations.
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on May 6, 2019 16:42:25 GMT
Good opening post and he's right but the first signing is a 31 year old journeyman looking to move nearer home. Dress it up however you like, that isn't sending the right signals to rally the fan base IMHO.
The club have massive strides to make to get fans on board, I actually feel sorry for Jones, working for those cretins.
|
|
|
Post by brinsleymaclagan on May 6, 2019 16:53:13 GMT
Good opening post and he's right but the first signing is a 31 year old journeyman looking to move nearer home. Dress it up however you like, that isn't sending the right signals to rally the fan base IMHO. The club have massive strides to make to get fans on board, I actually feel sorry for Jones, working for those cretins. The 31 year old journeyman is Jones’ signing, as he has made clear.
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on May 6, 2019 16:54:04 GMT
Good opening post and he's right but the first signing is a 31 year old journeyman looking to move nearer home. Dress it up however you like, that isn't sending the right signals to rally the fan base IMHO. The club have massive strides to make to get fans on board, I actually feel sorry for Jones, working for those cretins. It's his signing. That couldn't be any clearer. So if you've got a problem with the signing you've got a problem with Jones.
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on May 6, 2019 17:03:17 GMT
Good opening post and he's right but the first signing is a 31 year old journeyman looking to move nearer home. Dress it up however you like, that isn't sending the right signals to rally the fan base IMHO. The club have massive strides to make to get fans on board, I actually feel sorry for Jones, working for those cretins. It's his signing. That couldn't be any clearer. So if you've got a problem with the signing you've got a problem with Jones. OK fair point. It doesn't fill me with confidence though.
|
|
|
Post by Gods on May 6, 2019 17:04:05 GMT
It's been god awful so far, 3 wins in 21 and goals all but a thing of the past.
No choice but to stick and hope things improve, we can't have a 5th manager in 16 months.
Does he know is his arse from his elbow?
Who knows.
|
|
|
Post by cousindupree on May 6, 2019 17:11:30 GMT
Christ another let give him time post! Yes I get it. Fast forward to the end of next season for a cut and paste post in the same theme. Jones is an inexperienced manager who frankly has to learn fast. Lets hope he does. Norwich is a totally different scenario. Farke learnt his management skills at Borussia Dortmund and tapped into his European contacts to come up with some serious gems for little investment, We on the other hand have appointed a manager who learnt his trade in div 1 and div 2 and will be back there for many of his new players, lets hope its a winning strategy So you’re saying a manger who’s only ever managed the reserves of a big club is more experienced than a first team manager of a lower league club? I think he might just have learnt a little more in the environment of Borussia Dortmund...reserve team or not. It's about the culture at the big German clubs. Huddersfield hired Wagner when he was Farke predecessor and he got them promoted pronto. Lets see how long if at all Jones gets us promoted. But hey lots of fans have bought into the patience angle as and accept that Luton Town mark 2 won't be built in a day.
|
|
|
Post by philm87 on May 6, 2019 17:18:04 GMT
It's been god awful so far, 3 wins in 21 and goals all but a thing of the past. No choice but to stick and hope things improve, we can't have a 5th manager in 16 months. Does he know is his arse from his elbow? Who knows. In our last two home games we have played both the teams that were automatically promoted. We scored twice in both of those games. Not saying things are perfect, but clearly there are some signs of improvement. This narrative of constant catastrophe is so one-sided, whiny and really fucking boring. The only people that keep repeating it are those who actually enjoy being negative all the time and have endless free time to saturate everyone else with their moaning.
|
|
|
Post by chuckrocky on May 6, 2019 17:38:44 GMT
So you’re saying a manger who’s only ever managed the reserves of a big club is more experienced than a first team manager of a lower league club? I think he might just have learnt a little more in the environment of Borussia Dortmund...reserve team or not. It's about the culture at the big German clubs. Huddersfield hired Wagner when he was Farke predecessor and he got them promoted pronto. Lets see how long if at all Jones gets us promoted. But hey lots of fans have bought into the patience angle as and accept that Luton Town mark 2 won't be built in a day. The clubs culture is about all they do learn as a reserve team manager though. They don’t really have any say in tactics or transfers. Huddersfield’s latest manager was also taken from Dortmund’s reserves and he’s managed 1 win in 14 matches.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2019 17:53:12 GMT
So you’re saying a manger who’s only ever managed the reserves of a big club is more experienced than a first team manager of a lower league club? I think he might just have learnt a little more in the environment of Borussia Dortmund...reserve team or not. It's about the culture at the big German clubs. Huddersfield hired Wagner when he was Farke predecessor and he got them promoted pronto. Lets see how long if at all Jones gets us promoted. But hey lots of fans have bought into the patience angle as and accept that Luton Town mark 2 won't be built in a day. The 'patience' angle is fair enough though, surely? Norwich actually asked their fans for patience and warned them it might get worse before it got better, even with this coach you're telling us has a radically better pedigree. Yet you're saying that shouldn't apply here?
|
|
|
Post by cousindupree on May 6, 2019 17:56:26 GMT
I think he might just have learnt a little more in the environment of Borussia Dortmund...reserve team or not. It's about the culture at the big German clubs. Huddersfield hired Wagner when he was Farke predecessor and he got them promoted pronto. Lets see how long if at all Jones gets us promoted. But hey lots of fans have bought into the patience angle as and accept that Luton Town mark 2 won't be built in a day. The clubs culture is about all they do learn as a reserve team manager though. They don’t really have any say in tactics or transfers. Huddersfield’s latest manager was also taken from Dortmund’s reserves and he’s managed 1 win in 14 matches. I think you are underestimating the importance of what a big club environment gives to a youngish manager he will have a lot of interaction with the first team coaches. Fair point with the latest Hudders manager although to quote a well worn cliche on here...it's not his team. So it will be interesting to see how Huddersfield go next season. Sometimes a winning formula stops being a winning formula. I like Jones for lots of reasons I just wished we had a vision beyond the English leagues thats all.
|
|
|
Post by kelw on May 6, 2019 17:57:48 GMT
It's been god awful so far, 3 wins in 21 and goals all but a thing of the past. No choice but to stick and hope things improve, we can't have a 5th manager in 16 months. Does he know is his arse from his elbow? Who knows. In our last two home games we have played both the teams that were automatically promoted. We scored twice in both of those games. Not saying things are perfect, but clearly there are some signs of improvement. This narrative of constant catastrophe is so one-sided, whiny and really fucking boring. The only people that keep repeating it are those who actually enjoy being negative all the time and have endless free time to saturate everyone else with their moaning. Can't argue with any of that Really looking forward to next season
|
|
|
Post by napperwainwright on May 6, 2019 17:58:08 GMT
Looks like a summer of Quire practice befor football reality kicks in .Sing boys sing. Mmmmm Summer of paper measurement!
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on May 6, 2019 18:01:09 GMT
Good opening post and he's right but the first signing is a 31 year old journeyman looking to move nearer home. Dress it up however you like, that isn't sending the right signals to rally the fan base IMHO. The club have massive strides to make to get fans on board, I actually feel sorry for Jones, working for those cretins. Home for Gregory is in Yorkshire, which wasnt particularly close to stoke last time I looked. He could probably get home quicker on the train from London than he'll be able to drive to stoke
|
|
|
Post by cousindupree on May 6, 2019 18:02:02 GMT
I think he might just have learnt a little more in the environment of Borussia Dortmund...reserve team or not. It's about the culture at the big German clubs. Huddersfield hired Wagner when he was Farke predecessor and he got them promoted pronto. Lets see how long if at all Jones gets us promoted. But hey lots of fans have bought into the patience angle as and accept that Luton Town mark 2 won't be built in a day. The 'patience' angle is fair enough though, surely? Norwich actually asked their fans for patience and warned them it might get worse before it got better, even with this coach you're telling us has a radically better pedigree. Yet you're saying that shouldn't apply here? Patience is fine if we are doing everything possible to make us successful. I am still to be convinced that building a Luton Town Mark 2 is going to get us out of this league anytime soon. Jones's recruitment is obviously key and there is a huge job to be done and he won't get much help from our recruitment team so it's mainly on his shoulders. But having said that his choice of Lee Gregory looks an astute bit of business.
|
|
|
Post by leicspotter on May 6, 2019 18:03:49 GMT
I'm not going to pretend that the last few years have been anything but awful, but when it comes to discussing Stoke, I'm already getting sick of stating the case for the bleeding obvious. For the first time in years we have a manager at the helm who has a long-term plan, a tactical vision and a recent success on which to base his Stoke blueprint. However, never before has a new manager been burdened with such a dreadfully imbalanced and unmotivated squad of high-earning toxic twats. Simply getting to the end of the season unscathed is, for 2018/19, mission complete as far as I'm concerned. I honestly don't think any Stoke manager has come into a more difficult situation than Jones has, and now he needs time to get rid of the dross and start to bring in his own players. All the while though, we have the looming shadow of FFP limiting our room for manoeuvre, meaning we have to either get rid of the likes of Wimmer, Imbula et al (which has so far proven to be impossible) or sell the crown jewels and replace them with cheaper alternatives. Make no mistake, this is the sort of scenario that relegates bigger clubs than us (ask Sunderland) so we really have to be patient with what we're asking Jones to achieve and the time we're expecting him to achieve it in. While the more impatient amongst us will point to Norwich and demand a similar rise from mid-table obscurity from stoke next year, we have to remember that what The Canaries have achieved is something exceptional, not a divine right for any club with a bit of history. The kind of pricks who are already hammering Jones for everything he does are the sort of gobshites who Norwich also had to contend with- and there were plenty of idiots in Norfolk calling for Daniel Farke's head because they were too impatient/stupid to realise that successful football teams are built over time, not overnight. Make no mistake, Nathan Jones knows exactly what he wants when it comes to his team. he knows the system he wants to play and he knows the sort of players he wants in that system. What he can't do is magic them all here over one summer and get them integrated into his plan within a matter of weeks. Next year, I hope we do see something much better than this year (we need to, to be fair) but please don't demand that we fly out of the blocks and are tearing up the division by September; it isn't going to happen. We have to trust this man to assemble what he wants, and having read a fair bit on what he turned Luton into and how he did it, the main thing he needs from us is patience and time. I'm as sick of watching shite as anyone, but over the last few weeks of the season, the first green shoots of progress were visible. We were the better side against the 2 teams who won automatic promotion and also dominated Millwall on their own patch; compare that to the chaotic shambles we saw at Brentford or the moribund dross that Rowett oversaw at Christmas time. It wasn't brilliant, no, but it was a lot better. Therefore, please let's not allow this summer to turn into 3 months of sniping and bitching, where we whinge at every player we're linked with, slash our wrists at every friendly defeat and then enter next year under a cloud of negativity. We have to allow the manager to do his thing and start the re-build, and it isn't going to be done in one window. This summer's about starting that process; next season's about making visible, demonstrable progress from this one and restoring some pride; the future's about building us into something like we once were, but we're not at that point yet. As supporters, we have to do our part- support the manager, support the club and allow success the conditions it needs in order to grow. Whilst I fully agree with you, reading a lot of the replies is an indication that some (many?) will not be as patient as might be required We are potentially talking one or two seasons, whilst some are looking at 7 or 8 games ffs Every team in this league will be doing their upmost to succeed, none of them, us included has any divine right to come out on top. I squirm every time I read that the manager should be "getting much more out of this squad of players" when it's plain to see they just aren't up to it
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on May 6, 2019 18:06:09 GMT
Good opening post and he's right but the first signing is a 31 year old journeyman looking to move nearer home. Dress it up however you like, that isn't sending the right signals to rally the fan base IMHO. The club have massive strides to make to get fans on board, I actually feel sorry for Jones, working for those cretins. Home for Gregory is in Yorkshire, which wasnt particularly close to stoke last time I looked. He could probably get home quicker on the train from London than he'll be able to drive to stoke I'm repeating what has been reported. He's a Sheffield lad, hardly Scarborough.
|
|