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Post by zerps on May 7, 2019 13:53:47 GMT
Footballers aren’t professional athletes? Are you sure? Usain Bolt is an athlete Harry Kane is a footballer so should Harry Kane run like Bolt then? Is this a genuine question then?
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Post by metalhead on May 7, 2019 14:07:36 GMT
Usain Bolt is an athlete Harry Kane is a footballer so should Harry Kane run like Bolt then? Is this a genuine question then? I think it is. Huge amounts of face palm.
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Post by skip on May 7, 2019 14:19:07 GMT
Can someone who believes Adam is/was overweight please provide a couple of photographs as evidence please. We have no clue what his metabolism is, his ideal BMI or anything. Yes he's built like a brick shithouse by modern footballing standards but to say he's a fat slob is ludicrous.
- To note, does anyone recall Hudson's return to Stoke in the mid 80s when in a game against West Brom he could barely stroll let alone run, but he bossed the midfield. Yes I know the game has changed.
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Post by zerps on May 7, 2019 14:34:50 GMT
Severe density issues in this thread
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Post by spitthedog on May 7, 2019 14:41:01 GMT
Loved having Charlie at our club. One of the best passers of the ball we have ever had. Let’s celebrate that alone!
He went through some very difficult times while here, anybody who has had a suicide in their family will relate to that, but he came through.
Wish him all the very best
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 7, 2019 15:03:50 GMT
Can someone who believes Adam is/was overweight please provide a couple of photographs as evidence please. We have no clue what his metabolism is, his ideal BMI or anything. Yes he's built like a brick shithouse by modern footballing standards but to say he's a fat slob is ludicrous. - To note, does anyone recall Hudson's return to Stoke in the mid 80s when in a game against West Brom he could barely stroll let alone run, but he bossed the midfield. Yes I know the game has changed. Maybe it's the svelte Mr Woods making him look heavy? Anyway, I enjoyed the time he played for us in the main! He is actually a footballer!
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Post by Pugsley on May 7, 2019 15:40:16 GMT
Can someone who believes Adam is/was overweight please provide a couple of photographs as evidence please. We have no clue what his metabolism is, his ideal BMI or anything. Yes he's built like a brick shithouse by modern footballing standards but to say he's a fat slob is ludicrous. - To note, does anyone recall Hudson's return to Stoke in the mid 80s when in a game against West Brom he could barely stroll let alone run, but he bossed the midfield. Yes I know the game has changed. <img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/bbcode/video-preview.png" video="<iframe width="560" height="315" src=" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>" alt="Video Preview"> Case closed m'lud
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Post by Squeekster on May 7, 2019 16:43:44 GMT
Usain Bolt is an athlete Harry Kane is a footballer so should Harry Kane run like Bolt then? What an utterly dimwitted view. Well done. Have a cookie. So why is it a dimwitted view then? You explain to me why footballers are athletes and then maybe I'll understand it! If your mixing up being fit with being an athlete then I can see your point a little I'm 49 and pretty fit for someone that age power walk 6 miles a day 5 days a week and play 5 aside twice a week and under no circumstances would I call myself an athlete. Again if your putting Adam up against Paul pogba who is of an athletic type then it's bullshit just like Kane is no Usain Bolt so if my view is dimwitted then your is ? Have two cookies.
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Post by Squeekster on May 7, 2019 16:45:54 GMT
Usain Bolt is an athlete Harry Kane is a footballer so should Harry Kane run like Bolt then? Is this a genuine question then? Well explain your reasoning then I have!
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Post by zerps on May 7, 2019 17:01:58 GMT
Is this a genuine question then? Well explain your reasoning then I have! What you’re doing is taking the word athletics and completely confusing yourself. Comparing harry kane to bolt on a charlie adam thread is fucking genius though 😆 Footballers aren’t just athletes they’re professional athletes. A professional athlete that can’t run because they’re too fat is a disgrace. Also the example set to the rest of the squad, especially the youngsters is completely unacceptable. Massive overhaul underway though fortunately.
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Post by nott1 on May 7, 2019 17:06:25 GMT
Well explain your reasoning then I have! What you’re doing is taking the word athletics and completely confusing yourself. Comparing harry kane to bolt on a charlie adam thread is fucking genius though 😆 Footballers aren’t just athletes they’re professional athletes. A professional athlete that can’t run because they’re too fat is a disgrace. Also the example set to the rest of the squad, especially the youngsters is completely unacceptable. Massive overhaul underway though fortunately. You've made your (debatable) point, can you please now drop it, so that we can move on?
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Post by skip on May 7, 2019 17:10:12 GMT
For all we know Charlie could have said to every young player at Stoke “I’m carrying too many pounds but I still love football. Make sure you look after yourself.” You know,a bit of ‘do as I say not as I do’.
People can speculate all they like but I believe he gave more to Stoke than many others in recent seasons, including this most recent.
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Post by zerps on May 7, 2019 17:25:39 GMT
For all we know Charlie could have said to every young player at Stoke “I’m carrying too many pounds but I still love football. Make sure you look after yourself.” You know,a bit of ‘do as I say not as I do’. People can speculate all they like but I believe he gave more to Stoke than many others in recent seasons, including this most recent. Actions speak louder than words
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Post by zerps on May 7, 2019 17:26:29 GMT
What you’re doing is taking the word athletics and completely confusing yourself. Comparing harry kane to bolt on a charlie adam thread is fucking genius though 😆 Footballers aren’t just athletes they’re professional athletes. A professional athlete that can’t run because they’re too fat is a disgrace. Also the example set to the rest of the squad, especially the youngsters is completely unacceptable. Massive overhaul underway though fortunately. You've made your (debatable) point, can you please now drop it, so that we can move on? Which part is debatable? The kane bolt bit?
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Post by Squeekster on May 7, 2019 17:26:36 GMT
Well explain your reasoning then I have! What you’re doing is taking the word athletics and completely confusing yourself. Comparing harry kane to bolt on a charlie adam thread is fucking genius though 😆 Footballers aren’t just athletes they’re professional athletes. A professional athlete that can’t run because they’re too fat is a disgrace. Also the example set to the rest of the squad, especially the youngsters is completely unacceptable. Massive overhaul underway though fortunately. Okay my last word on this I've just wiki'd Charlie Adam:- Charles Graham Adam is a Scottish professional footballer. M'lord I rest my case!
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Post by zerps on May 7, 2019 17:27:57 GMT
What you’re doing is taking the word athletics and completely confusing yourself. Comparing harry kane to bolt on a charlie adam thread is fucking genius though 😆 Footballers aren’t just athletes they’re professional athletes. A professional athlete that can’t run because they’re too fat is a disgrace. Also the example set to the rest of the squad, especially the youngsters is completely unacceptable. Massive overhaul underway though fortunately. Okay my last word on this I've just wiki'd Charlie Adam:- Charles Graham Adam is a Scottish professional footballer. M'lord I rest my case! 😆 Ok mate I’m speechless now. You’ve won.
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Post by Gunslinger on May 7, 2019 19:56:21 GMT
Sad to see Charlie leave but all things come to an end. He was one of the few players who actually tried during our relegation season. All the best in the future, Charlie!
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Post by butler64 on May 7, 2019 20:22:08 GMT
Can someone who believes Adam is/was overweight please provide a couple of photographs as evidence please. We have no clue what his metabolism is, his ideal BMI or anything. Yes he's built like a brick shithouse by modern footballing standards but to say he's a fat slob is ludicrous. - To note, does anyone recall Hudson's return to Stoke in the mid 80s when in a game against West Brom he could barely stroll let alone run, but he bossed the midfield. Yes I know the game has changed. This was taken at the end of Sunday’s game. Charlie hardly looks overweight to me. Attachment Deleted
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Post by berahinosgoals on May 7, 2019 20:29:14 GMT
Charlie Adam, a touch of class in a team that often couldn't pass
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Post by metalhead on May 8, 2019 9:22:04 GMT
What an utterly dimwitted view. Well done. Have a cookie. So why is it a dimwitted view then? You explain to me why footballers are athletes and then maybe I'll understand it! If your mixing up being fit with being an athlete then I can see your point a little I'm 49 and pretty fit for someone that age power walk 6 miles a day 5 days a week and play 5 aside twice a week and under no circumstances would I call myself an athlete. Again if your putting Adam up against Paul pogba who is of an athletic type then it's bullshit just like Kane is no Usain Bolt so if my view is dimwitted then your is ? Have two cookies. It is a requirement of any modern day footballer to be able to essentially 'navigate' a pitch. Simplified, they need to 'get around' otherwise the game will constantly 'pass them by' and their ability to contribute positively will be severely negated. People used to talk about Pirlo, but while Pirlo wasn't quick he still covered a surprisingly large amount of ground... so did Rory Delap who regularly covered our distance charts. You don't need to be built like Paul Pogba to have an athletic physique, you just need to maintain a certain level of training.... which is why your mate in the office can maintain a decent six-pack while Charlie Adam looks like he's more likely to drink a six-pack. Maintaining high levels of fitness and athleticism also go hand-in-hand.... at least somewhat. If you spend time in the gym or run regular long distances, while also maintaining a protein-rich nutritional diet, your body will change before your eyes. You will slowly (rapidly, depending on how committed) lose the visceral fat that is harming your health and your body's metabolism should increase. It's just science mate and proven science as well. I'm yet to see a documentary about morbidly obese Tracy where she explains how she walked 20 miles a day and munched on nothing but kale and poached fish. However, let's bring this back round to Charlie. The fact he has been overweight for a significant period of his Stoke career and generally appeared unfit compared to his peers, in my opinion, explains his overall lack of athleticism. There are rare exceptions of overweight players maintaining high levels of pace and fitness, think Brazilian Ronaldo at Real Madrid who never looked short of pace when he needed it. Charlie Adam is not Ronaldo though. It's clear that Adam needed to maintain a good physique to ensure he was performing at a competitive level. Think Jon Walters.... think Robert Huth.... think Glenn Whelan.... think many of the other players we've had who aren't naturally blessed with a magical physique but are clearly intent on maintaining very high standards in their training regime. I've said for years that Adam as been way off other Premier League players fitness wise but what amazed me is how far he is off Championship players as well. If you've ever played any 11 aside football (which I have, and continue to do so) it is a standard practice to spot the least fit (or perhaps most overweight player) on the opposition and target them. Let's appreciate Charlie for his contributions to this club. He scored some great goals and was part of one of our great teams.... Don't live in a world of fantasy though. He was overweight for much of his Stoke career and we'll never know how good he could have been, had he just been a little more professional.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 8, 2019 9:28:20 GMT
Can someone who believes Adam is/was overweight please provide a couple of photographs as evidence please. We have no clue what his metabolism is, his ideal BMI or anything. Yes he's built like a brick shithouse by modern footballing standards but to say he's a fat slob is ludicrous. - To note, does anyone recall Hudson's return to Stoke in the mid 80s when in a game against West Brom he could barely stroll let alone run, but he bossed the midfield. Yes I know the game has changed. I don’t think that anyone can say that Charlie Adam was fit though. You could get 15 minutes out of him but after that he would go. He would begin to cheat (not tracking runners and even purposely throwing himself one way to avoid having the track man that was running towards him). Fouling players so that once they had gone past him he wouldn’t have to run back with them. Correct decision not to offer him a contract but I am thankful for the early memories.
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Post by stantheman on May 8, 2019 9:31:07 GMT
Can someone who believes Adam is/was overweight please provide a couple of photographs as evidence please. We have no clue what his metabolism is, his ideal BMI or anything. Yes he's built like a brick shithouse by modern footballing standards but to say he's a fat slob is ludicrous. - To note, does anyone recall Hudson's return to Stoke in the mid 80s when in a game against West Brom he could barely stroll let alone run, but he bossed the midfield. Yes I know the game has changed. I don’t think that anyone can say that Charlie Adam was fit though. You could get 15 minutes out of him but after that he would go. He would begin to cheat (not tracking runners and even purposely throwing himself one way to avoid having the track man that was running towards him). Fouling players so that once they had gone past him he wouldn’t have to run back with them. Correct decision not to offer him a contract but I am thankful for the early memories. So now he's a cheat? I really give up
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Post by LankyPotter on May 8, 2019 9:34:15 GMT
I don’t think that anyone can say that Charlie Adam was fit though. You could get 15 minutes out of him but after that he would go. He would begin to cheat (not tracking runners and even purposely throwing himself one way to avoid having the track man that was running towards him). Fouling players so that once they had gone past him he wouldn’t have to run back with them. Correct decision not to offer him a contract but I am thankful for the early memories. So now he's a cheat? I really give up In terms of playing football, not tracking a runner or putting yourself in a position to avoid having to defend is called cheating. Nothing to do with him being a cheat in terms of diving its just what its called.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 8, 2019 10:54:51 GMT
I don’t think that anyone can say that Charlie Adam was fit though. You could get 15 minutes out of him but after that he would go. He would begin to cheat (not tracking runners and even purposely throwing himself one way to avoid having the track man that was running towards him). Fouling players so that once they had gone past him he wouldn’t have to run back with them. Correct decision not to offer him a contract but I am thankful for the early memories. So now he's a cheat? I really give up 🙂🙂
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 8, 2019 11:10:13 GMT
Can someone who believes Adam is/was overweight please provide a couple of photographs as evidence please. We have no clue what his metabolism is, his ideal BMI or anything. Yes he's built like a brick shithouse by modern footballing standards but to say he's a fat slob is ludicrous. - To note, does anyone recall Hudson's return to Stoke in the mid 80s when in a game against West Brom he could barely stroll let alone run, but he bossed the midfield. Yes I know the game has changed. <img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/bbcode/video-preview.png" video="<iframe width="560" height="315" src=" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>" alt="Video Preview"> Case closed m'lud He was fouled as he was about to (albeit slowly) put in the rebound.
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Post by Pugsley on May 8, 2019 11:17:52 GMT
<img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/bbcode/video-preview.png" video="<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/lqrZSawXd40" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>" alt="Video Preview"> Case closed m'lud He was fouled as he was about to (albeit slowly) put in the rebound. He should never have been in the position to be fouled!
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Post by ursemboys on May 8, 2019 11:25:48 GMT
The more i see that video the more i believe we should have had another penalty and even if the ref felt there was no foul it should have been retaken due to encroachment by the Brighton Player
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 8, 2019 11:50:32 GMT
Good luck Charlie. A character and a talented footballer. Gave us some great memories. Chelsea obviously but that screamer after Marko's (?) airshot against Manchester United will live long in my memory. As old Hugh Johns might have said, what a left peg.
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Post by skip on May 8, 2019 13:10:52 GMT
Somewhat bizarrely and unexpectedly, I've just watched that video at least a dozen times - thanks for the post Pugsley - but I honestly don't think it proves anything other than he thought it was an easy tap in. You can't say that's conclusive evidence he's a fat bap. Certainly wouldn't stand up as inadmissible surely?
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Post by melbournestokie21 on May 8, 2019 13:26:39 GMT
Look if im being honest I wouldnt say he was slow, sometimes slow to react maybe but not slow in movement.
Stamina however is a different story and that would be solved by him being fitter. Take whelan for instance even though he played a particular role, he reacted quick to things but would have to say a race between him and charlie would be tough to pick a winner.
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