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Post by sheikhmomo on May 8, 2019 13:42:09 GMT
Somewhat bizarrely and unexpectedly, I've just watched that video at least a dozen times - thanks for the post Pugsley - but I honestly don't think it proves anything other than he thought it was an easy tap in. You can't say that's conclusive evidence he's a fat bap. Certainly wouldn't stand up as inadmissible surely? What would stand up is the fact that it is an absolute stone bonker of a penalty!
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Post by scfc75 on May 8, 2019 13:47:34 GMT
Somewhat bizarrely and unexpectedly, I've just watched that video at least a dozen times - thanks for the post Pugsley - but I honestly don't think it proves anything other than he thought it was an easy tap in. You can't say that's conclusive evidence he's a fat bap. Certainly wouldn't stand up as inadmissible surely? Even watching it now, and pausing it just before the tackle comes in, you’d be a fool to say he wouldn’t just tap it in. It makes no sense how he didn’t get there.
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Post by Squeekster on May 8, 2019 14:46:31 GMT
So why is it a dimwitted view then? You explain to me why footballers are athletes and then maybe I'll understand it! If your mixing up being fit with being an athlete then I can see your point a little I'm 49 and pretty fit for someone that age power walk 6 miles a day 5 days a week and play 5 aside twice a week and under no circumstances would I call myself an athlete. Again if your putting Adam up against Paul pogba who is of an athletic type then it's bullshit just like Kane is no Usain Bolt so if my view is dimwitted then your is ? Have two cookies. It is a requirement of any modern day footballer to be able to essentially 'navigate' a pitch. Simplified, they need to 'get around' otherwise the game will constantly 'pass them by' and their ability to contribute positively will be severely negated. People used to talk about Pirlo, but while Pirlo wasn't quick he still covered a surprisingly large amount of ground... so did Rory Delap who regularly covered our distance charts. You don't need to be built like Paul Pogba to have an athletic physique, you just need to maintain a certain level of training.... which is why your mate in the office can maintain a decent six-pack while Charlie Adam looks like he's more likely to drink a six-pack. Maintaining high levels of fitness and athleticism also go hand-in-hand.... at least somewhat. If you spend time in the gym or run regular long distances, while also maintaining a protein-rich nutritional diet, your body will change before your eyes. You will slowly (rapidly, depending on how committed) lose the visceral fat that is harming your health and your body's metabolism should increase. It's just science mate and proven science as well. I'm yet to see a documentary about morbidly obese Tracy where she explains how she walked 20 miles a day and munched on nothing but kale and poached fish. However, let's bring this back round to Charlie. The fact he has been overweight for a significant period of his Stoke career and generally appeared unfit compared to his peers, in my opinion, explains his overall lack of athleticism. There are rare exceptions of overweight players maintaining high levels of pace and fitness, think Brazilian Ronaldo at Real Madrid who never looked short of pace when he needed it. Charlie Adam is not Ronaldo though. It's clear that Adam needed to maintain a good physique to ensure he was performing at a competitive level. Think Jon Walters.... think Robert Huth.... think Glenn Whelan.... think many of the other players we've had who aren't naturally blessed with a magical physique but are clearly intent on maintaining very high standards in their training regime. I've said for years that Adam as been way off other Premier League players fitness wise but what amazed me is how far he is off Championship players as well. If you've ever played any 11 aside football (which I have, and continue to do so) it is a standard practice to spot the least fit (or perhaps most overweight player) on the opposition and target them. Let's appreciate Charlie for his contributions to this club. He scored some great goals and was part of one of our great teams.... Don't live in a world of fantasy though. He was overweight for much of his Stoke career and we'll never know how good he could have been, had he just been a little more professional. I Agree 100% of what your saying all my point was that some footballers could be classified as athletic and some can't and even when fit I in my opinion you wouldn't call him athletic. As you point out he has his issues with weight and fitness and it shouldn't happen to a proffesional footballer and again I agree but to me he never was and never will an athlete!
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Post by skip on May 10, 2019 10:57:14 GMT
Somewhat bizarrely and unexpectedly, I've just watched that video at least a dozen times - thanks for the post Pugsley - but I honestly don't think it proves anything other than he thought it was an easy tap in. You can't say that's conclusive evidence he's a fat bap. Certainly wouldn't stand up as inadmissible surely? What would stand up is the fact that it is an absolute stone bonker of a penalty! Well, yes. The fact that he/we didn't score is mind bogglingly desperately grim. A microcosm of the madness of that season.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jul 6, 2019 14:24:09 GMT
He has been training at Blackburn Rovers whilst they were away.
Today he is down to play in the second half team for Blackburn at Barrow. They also signed Bradley Johnson.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Jul 6, 2019 14:42:04 GMT
Good Luck to him.. scored some crackers in his time. Still remember some of his best days at Blackpool before he went scouse.... in the end was crossbar and post king !!!!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 6, 2019 15:34:14 GMT
Always had plenty of time for Charlie. Hope he gets the contract he wants there.
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Post by ursems2boots on Jul 6, 2019 19:45:50 GMT
Top player...should of played much more than he did last season. One of the few players who would play a forward pass...
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2019 19:52:53 GMT
Top player...should of played much more than he did last season. One of the few players who would play a forward pass... He should have stayed away from the pies and kept himself fit and he may well have played more.
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Post by zerps on Jul 7, 2019 6:47:14 GMT
Could have been a hero, legend and leader. Preferred greggs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 8:17:14 GMT
Would love it if dundee utd could sign him. Get yourself back home Charlie!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 21:05:55 GMT
That penalty should have been taken again. The player wiped him out. If it had been the shit, you would never have heard the end of it. Nothing, but nothing will change my mind about that!
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Post by greystokie on Jul 7, 2019 21:09:25 GMT
Would love it if dundee utd could sign him. Get yourself back home Charlie! More likely to play on the other side of Sandeman St., I think!
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Post by lordb on Jul 7, 2019 21:12:48 GMT
That penalty should have been taken again. The player wiped him out. If it had been the shit, you would never have heard the end of it. Nothing, but nothing will change my mind about that! Technically it shouldn't have been retaken but there should have been a second penalty as Adam was hacked down before he could tap the rebound in. Don't think I've ever seen a second penalty given seconds after a missed penalty but there you go. VAR would have a field day.
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Post by Davef on Jul 7, 2019 21:20:26 GMT
That penalty should have been taken again. The player wiped him out. If it had been the shit, you would never have heard the end of it. Nothing, but nothing will change my mind about that! Technically it shouldn't have been retaken but there should have been a second penalty as Adam was hacked down before he could tap the rebound in. Don't think I've ever seen a second penalty given seconds after a missed penalty but there you go. VAR would have a field day. The keeper moved off his line as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 21:29:43 GMT
Technically it shouldn't have been retaken but there should have been a second penalty as Adam was hacked down before he could tap the rebound in. Don't think I've ever seen a second penalty given seconds after a missed penalty but there you go. VAR would have a field day. The keeper moved off his line as well. The keeper always moves off their line.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 8, 2019 7:48:35 GMT
That penalty should have been taken again. The player wiped him out. If it had been the shit, you would never have heard the end of it. Nothing, but nothing will change my mind about that! Technically it shouldn't have been retaken but there should have been a second penalty as Adam was hacked down before he could tap the rebound in. Don't think I've ever seen a second penalty given seconds after a missed penalty but there you go. VAR would have a field day. Sorry Lord 1. There were at least three Brighton players (including the Goalkeeper) who should have been booked for time wasting prior to the penalty being taken. 2. The penalty should have been retaken because two Brighton players (including the guy who tackled CA) had encroached significantly into the area prior to CA taking the penalty. 3. The goalkeeper did move. But that was common practice and consistently allowed by referees The referee was extremely poor in managing the taking of the penalty and yet wasn’t challenged at the time by Stoke players, or after the game by the Manager which to me was unbelievable. Check out the video on you tube. There’s no doubt whatsoever about points 1 and 2 Whether or not there should have been a 2nd penalty is debatable/one of those things. CA was tackled from behind so I suppose in the eyes of the law it was. Water under the bridge now but it still rankles with me
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Post by lordb on Jul 8, 2019 7:56:36 GMT
Technically it shouldn't have been retaken but there should have been a second penalty as Adam was hacked down before he could tap the rebound in. Don't think I've ever seen a second penalty given seconds after a missed penalty but there you go. VAR would have a field day. Sorry Lord 1. There were at least three Brighton players (including the Goalkeeper) who should have been booked for time wasting prior to the penalty being taken. 2. The penalty should have been retaken because two Brighton players (including the guy who tackled CA) had encroached significantly into the area prior to CA taking the penalty. 3. The goalkeeper did move. But that was common practice and consistently allowed by referees The referee was extremely poor in managing the taking of the penalty and yet wasn’t challenged at the time by Stoke players, or after the game by the Manager which to me was unbelievable. Check out the video on you tube. There’s no doubt whatsoever about points 1 and 2 Whether or not there should have been a 2nd penalty is debatable/one of those things. CA was tackled from behind so I suppose in the eyes of the law it was. Water under the bridge now but it still rankles with me Ok will buy all that All the same never seen a second penalty given as a result of a foul after first penalty saved. Adam got,and gets slaughtered, for not scoring from the rebound when in fact he was denied by Dunk foul.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 8, 2019 8:01:44 GMT
Sorry Lord 1. There were at least three Brighton players (including the Goalkeeper) who should have been booked for time wasting prior to the penalty being taken. 2. The penalty should have been retaken because two Brighton players (including the guy who tackled CA) had encroached significantly into the area prior to CA taking the penalty. 3. The goalkeeper did move. But that was common practice and consistently allowed by referees The referee was extremely poor in managing the taking of the penalty and yet wasn’t challenged at the time by Stoke players, or after the game by the Manager which to me was unbelievable. Check out the video on you tube. There’s no doubt whatsoever about points 1 and 2 Whether or not there should have been a 2nd penalty is debatable/one of those things. CA was tackled from behind so I suppose in the eyes of the law it was. Water under the bridge now but it still rankles with me Ok will buy all that All the same never seen a second penalty given as a result of a foul after first penalty saved. Adam got,and gets slaughtered, for not scoring from the rebound when in fact he was denied by Dunk foul. You’re absolutely right. If it was Dunk and he’d been one of the players who should have been booked originally it was a sending off offence. Personally I have a lot of sympathy for CA because of the whole scenario including the antics of Jesé.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 8, 2019 8:03:52 GMT
Sorry Lord 1. There were at least three Brighton players (including the Goalkeeper) who should have been booked for time wasting prior to the penalty being taken. 2. The penalty should have been retaken because two Brighton players (including the guy who tackled CA) had encroached significantly into the area prior to CA taking the penalty. 3. The goalkeeper did move. But that was common practice and consistently allowed by referees The referee was extremely poor in managing the taking of the penalty and yet wasn’t challenged at the time by Stoke players, or after the game by the Manager which to me was unbelievable. Check out the video on you tube. There’s no doubt whatsoever about points 1 and 2 Whether or not there should have been a 2nd penalty is debatable/one of those things. CA was tackled from behind so I suppose in the eyes of the law it was. Water under the bridge now but it still rankles with me Ok will buy all that All the same never seen a second penalty given as a result of a foul after first penalty saved. Adam got,and gets slaughtered, for not scoring from the rebound when in fact he was denied by Dunk foul. Because Dunk should never have been in the equation, he ambled in towards the ball. No one can tell me he's going full pelt for the rebound there. Lewis Dunk isn't exactly a pace merchant either. It's all by the by now anyway. I have far more of an issue with Charlie getting sent off v Everton too if I'm honest. This was a clusterfuck not necessarily all of his own making, Everton he couldn't fucking contain himself.
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Post by luke45 on Jul 8, 2019 13:00:36 GMT
Today he is down to play in the second half team for Blackburn at Barrow. They also signed Bradley Johnson. I was at the game, he was the best player on the pitch in the second half in all fairness, didn't misplace a pass. Albeit he was against a tiring Barrow team who played the last 15 minutes with ten men. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't get at least a one year deal offered to him.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jul 8, 2019 19:59:51 GMT
Today he is down to play in the second half team for Blackburn at Barrow. They also signed Bradley Johnson. I was at the game, he was the best player on the pitch in the second half in all fairness, didn't misplace a pass. Albeit he was against a tiring Barrow team who played the last 15 minutes with ten men. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't get at least a one year deal offered to him. The local press said the same but give Adam chance to train and them to look at him but nothing imminent. I thought Adam suggested he had a few options earlier in pre season.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jul 8, 2019 21:33:00 GMT
One word to those saying Charlie was overweight
Ruiz
UTV
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 8, 2019 21:47:04 GMT
Could have been a hero, legend and leader. Preferred greggs. Vegan sausage rolls
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Post by zerps on Jul 9, 2019 5:01:08 GMT
One word to those saying Charlie was overweight Ruiz UTV Did charlie eat him?
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 9, 2019 7:12:12 GMT
One word to those saying Charlie was overweight Ruiz UTV Come on Staffs.
Ruiz has exactly the same ability to run around effectively for 90 mins as Charlie does.
None.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2019 14:05:41 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 17, 2019 14:13:06 GMT
Thought I saw somewhere his trial at Blackburn had been unsuccsessful!? In my opinion he is good enough for every Championship club, but I understand why we let him go. Despite this he was one of the players that impressed the most after NJ came in.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 22, 2019 10:04:23 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 22, 2019 10:07:10 GMT
Can't believe he would choose Reading if the difference in wages wasn't stupid, purely because of where he lives and his connection with the club. He could even get on the coaching staff as a route to managemnet.
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