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Post by stokieinaus on Apr 6, 2019 23:17:54 GMT
Jeez take a happy pill fella. Would you rather have Hughes/Lambert/Rowett and their brand of turgid, uninspiring tactics and football. Or a coach who has desire, passion, vision and a hunger not seen in these parts for a good while. Reading your posts on another thread it seems you feel we (as a club) should have continued with Rowett until the parachute payments had dried up. But you’ve got to admit that Jones has done better in 3 months than Rowett did in 6 months. Ok, goals may currently be at a premium, but at least the foundations have been laid for a team ethic and a united passion to fight for each other and the club. Something that has been woefully short for 2 or more seasons. Brand me a happy clapper if you wish but I can see the end goal that NJ is trying to achieve and I have to say in nearly 36 years of supporting Stoke I can’t ever remember seeing a manager as passionate as Jones is. Let the good times roll!! You've obviously misread my posts then mate because I've stated on numerous occasions that Rowett had to go when he did. I too can hear Nathan Jones and what he's saying, and if he pulls it off then he will go down as a legend around these parts, but in my opinion, we haven't really improved enough for me to start wanking the bloke off yet. In large, the football hasn't changed and we are still a million miles away from where we need to be. That's not being negative, it's just what I see. Seriously, we had Pulis who got us from nowhere to a stable team in the Premiership and people on here despise him, Mark Hughes got us 3 top ten finishes and he gets constant abuse on here. Nathan Jones needs to top the championship and then win the premiership, all in 3 years, to be deemed a legend, that’s according to posters on here.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 7, 2019 0:11:42 GMT
WELL, after a while it became blindingly obvious we had to stop letting so many goals in. Especially really shit gormless goals. Obviously he's started to get that right. And, it's a cliche because it's true, good teams are built from the back.
There's still a lot to to work on to get us competitive. One being the l;ink ups from midfield to attack.
By the wway, you can always improve a team but don't be too hasty to discard the players we've got. Plenty of them still have plenty to offer.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 7, 2019 2:34:44 GMT
He is no Alan Durban. I see us slowly stabilising and that is good news. However, the jury is still out whether or not he will last past Christmas. Can we hit the ground running in August? Are we destined for more of the same as we have seen this past 3 months? I find it very hard to determine if this is the dawn of a new age or more of the same. Four nil nils and a 1-0 win? I thought you'd be strumming yourself silly, it's boil in the bag Pulis. Goals are irrelevant, your words I believe 🤔
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Apr 7, 2019 5:16:04 GMT
The reality is, no matter what anyone says if we lose 3 of the first 5 games next season the tossers on here will be calling for his head on a stick
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 7, 2019 7:08:31 GMT
The players love him which is a great start. Think there's a genuine chance that Butland may stay because of this and we'll be a bastard to beat next season. Question is can we turn draws into wins. Think the league will be a weaker one next year with the 3 teams coming down so promotion is very much achievable.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 7, 2019 7:29:02 GMT
Apart from the odd questionable substitution he's done nothing but impress me. The difference between now and the Preston game I went to is like night and day and is proof he is slowly improving the team, a team of players who aren't his and are playing in a system that he doesn't want to play. This again, shows he's flexible enough to park some of his "philosophies" to the side in order to get results now and a bit of belief back in the players and fans.
As for me personally, he's actually got me interested in Stoke City and football again. I've been in a state of apathy for far too long.
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Post by boothenender on Apr 7, 2019 7:43:05 GMT
Stoke City have got one of the best young Managers in the World. Nathan Jones will improve and trim down the playing squad and make it a more effective unit, and it will be a pleasure to watch attacking football once again. The cut backs are necessary due to the poor recruitment and total lack of man management by previous Managers. Mark Hughes did bring a bit of success to club and performances did improve, but the recruitment team let him and fans down very badly. Nathan Jones is a man on a mission with vision and a strong work ethic. He believes in what he wants and anyone not willing to become part of his project will be shipped out of the club. Great things are coming to our club and we should be grateful that Nathan Jones and Peter Coates will help to steer our club through some rough seas.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 7, 2019 8:02:00 GMT
He’s getting there. Still need to sort both wings out and improvements will be seen at the goal end. Add a left back and we will be even nearer.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 7, 2019 8:16:54 GMT
I'm glad we have him. Whilst it is a bit of a cliche to say that good managers start to build good teams from the back, it is actually true. At least it is true when a new manager inherits a club and players so lacking in confidence - and with so many underperforming players, as the club Jones took over in January. To be fair to Rowett, I think he realised that he needed to start with the defence and he did improve it. His problem (and the thing which finished him off) was that when we hit a bad patch (as we were always going to do) instead of holding his hands up and admitting his mistakes he chose to round on the fans who criticised him when, whilst some of their words were OTT, much of the criticism was valid. Jones has faced criticism for some of his decisions but he has never turned on the fans and that is what marks him out as a very different character to Rowett.
Looking ahead I have no doubt that Jones has the ability to create a team the fans will be proud of, as he did at Luton. But there is one fly in the ointment which the club has to find a way of addressing. At present most of the most expensive and highest paid players we have employed in our history are still on our books and most of them were terrible buys who simply are not good enough (or don't have the character) to perform at the level required in this league or in the Prem. Their wages are a HUGE drag on our finances and we have to be careful how we manage the situation as the Football League (more than the Prem?) are prepared to take sanctions under the FFP rules - as Birmingham have recently found out. And you would assume that clubs which break the rules in future will find that the penalties are higher rather than lower. IF (and it is a big IF) the club can navigate the FFP rules and find some way of getting the under performers out of the club before the end of their contracts, then, under Jones, the future can be bright.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 7, 2019 8:47:43 GMT
The jury is still out in a big mother fucking way. Hopefully he can build a side in the summer that plays as well as he speaks. Jeez take a happy pill fella. Would you rather have Hughes/Lambert/Rowett and their brand of turgid, uninspiring tactics and football. Or a coach who has desire, passion, vision and a hunger not seen in these parts for a good while. Reading your posts on another thread it seems you feel we (as a club) should have continued with Rowett until the parachute payments had dried up. But you’ve got to admit that Jones has done better in 3 months than Rowett did in 6 months. Ok, goals may currently be at a premium, but at least the foundations have been laid for a team ethic and a united passion to fight for each other and the club. Something that has been woefully short for 2 or more seasons. Brand me a happy clapper if you wish but I can see the end goal that NJ is trying to achieve and I have to say in nearly 36 years of supporting Stoke I can’t ever remember seeing a manager as passionate as Jones is. Let the good times roll!! VincentVega is a huge Gary Rowett fan, no-one will come near to Gary in his eyes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 9:06:44 GMT
Definitely the right appointment. He has a longer term vision that will take time to implement as we can’t suddenly turn the players we have into something they’re not, but absolutely implemented a solid foundation making us difficult to beat. We can definitely see the improvements in other areas, and needs the right players to come in. Much easier said than done, when coupled with a major budget decrease and a considerable amount of shite we’re still paying for
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 7, 2019 9:16:07 GMT
I think he's the right man.
He has a fantastic opportunity here, he will be backed far more than any other manager in this league. He can basically afford any player he wants from this league.
He has done well trying to get a tune out of a squad that is massively unbalanced and took over after the 'Gary Rowett' transfer window...The worst transfer window in the history of the club.
This summer however we will see the biggest turnaround of players for a long time. I think Allen, Butland, Badou and Bruno will all go along with Diouf, Bojan, Pieters, Fletcher and Adam.
He will have 30-40 million to spend.
He knows we need to be in the promotion hunt next season and I think we will be, no doubt
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2019 9:16:21 GMT
This time next year we will be looking forward to another spell in the PL. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 9:21:37 GMT
The jury is still out in a big mother fucking way. Hopefully he can build a side in the summer that plays as well as he speaks. You sound like a gangster from a Quentin Tarantino film.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 7, 2019 11:43:54 GMT
The jury is still out in a big mother fucking way. Hopefully he can build a side in the summer that plays as well as he speaks. You sound like a gangster from a Quentin Tarantino film. Hence the name Vincent Vega!
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 7, 2019 11:54:02 GMT
You sound like a gangster from a Quentin Tarantino film. Hence the name Vincent Vega! Vincent Vega was Mr Blonde's cousin.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Apr 7, 2019 11:59:09 GMT
The players look like they're actually being coached, which is a refreshing change from the past 5+ years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 11:59:31 GMT
Stoke City have got one of the best young Managers in the World. Nathan Jones will improve and trim down the playing squad and make it a more effective unit, and it will be a pleasure to watch attacking football once again. The cut backs are necessary due to the poor recruitment and total lack of man management by previous Managers. Mark Hughes did bring a bit of success to club and performances did improve, but the recruitment team let him and fans down very badly. Nathan Jones is a man on a mission with vision and a strong work ethic. He believes in what he wants and anyone not willing to become part of his project will be shipped out of the club. Great things are coming to our club and we should be grateful that Nathan Jones and Peter Coates will help to steer our club through some rough seas. This. I honestly believe that when Jones’s career ends, he will have been considered to be one of the best around. He has that aura about him that just yells success. If he is here for the next 5 years, I think 3 will be in the Premier League before he’s off to a top 4 club, and then possibly international football. He has the same philosophy as Southgate for me, and I think that’s a good thing.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 7, 2019 12:05:15 GMT
The players look like they're actually being coached, which is a refreshing change from the past 5+ years. I sqee your point and agree BUT 5 years is something of an history rewriting exaggeration
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 7, 2019 12:25:28 GMT
The players look like they're actually being coached, which is a refreshing change from the past 5+ years. Was going to say the same. We’ve become used to players stagnating when they join, but Etebo and Edwards are visibly improving game by game. That excites me for the players we have on the cusp. Verlinden, Sorensen, Tymon, Collins, Souttar, Campbell, N’goy (if he returns). If jones can improve these as well as he’s been doing with Edwards and Etebo it could be very very exciting.
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Post by Ygor on Apr 7, 2019 14:07:08 GMT
I believe Nathan Jones IS the right man. We must stick with him and he must get the support he deserves. The only things that might stuff Nathan are those forces within the club that have allowed us to get into the state we were in. But let's think positive and hopefully NJ's influence, passion and focus will permeate throughout the entire club and its supporters. I believe happier times are on their way!
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 7, 2019 14:23:20 GMT
He clearly has many attributes that suggest he can be a successful manager at Championship level and maybe even higher. His record at Luton does him real credit. But coaching is only part of the job. Recruitment is crucial the higher the level of football you reach. Jones main knowledge is very much at Div 1 and Div 2 level not any higher and certainly not in Europe. He will need huge support from the recruitment team to get the right signings. Sadly the recruitment team has long been unfit for purpose. This may well hamstring his and our progress. So lets see what quality of players he can bring in. That's the big test
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 14:44:23 GMT
Really can’t fathom why the fans love him.
Last home game chanting Nathan jones’ barmy army at 0-0... bizzarre.
I haven’t seen any real attacking football - Leeds is the only really good tactical performance I’ve seen from him.
As for bringing youngsters through Hughes and Rosetta called Edwards up so that’s just false.
He’s still got a team of players the rest of this league could only dream of and he’s still churning out 0-0’s and losing to teams left right and centre.
No upgrade on GR for me, just less of a tossed.
As others have said - we’ll find out how good he is after a pre season. I don’t expect much but I’d be very happy to be proved wrong.
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Post by Gods on Apr 7, 2019 14:59:21 GMT
Really can’t fathom why the fans love him. Last home game chanting Nathan jones’ barmy army at 0-0... bizzarre. I haven’t seen any real attacking football - Leeds is the only really good tactical performance I’ve seen from him. As for bringing youngsters through Hughes and Rosetta called Edwards up so that’s just false. He’s still got a team of players the rest of this league could only dream of and he’s still churning out 0-0’s and losing to teams left right and centre. No upgrade on GR for me, just less of a tossed. As others have said - we’ll find out how good he is after a pre season. I don’t expect much but I’d be very happy to be proved wrong. Simplistically I think it's because he looks and sounds like one of us, like he really cares, that black jacket just finishes it off a treat. And he seems to have the easy knack of just brushing off any questions about the results, his raw intensity just seems to smoke them away. He's done for me, I'm firmly now on-side!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 7, 2019 15:03:03 GMT
Really can’t fathom why the fans love him. Last home game chanting Nathan jones’ barmy army at 0-0... bizzarre. I haven’t seen any real attacking football - Leeds is the only really good tactical performance I’ve seen from him. As for bringing youngsters through Hughes and Rosetta called Edwards up so that’s just false. He’s still got a team of players the rest of this league could only dream of and he’s still churning out 0-0’s and losing to teams left right and centre. No upgrade on GR for me, just less of a tossed. As others have said - we’ll find out how good he is after a pre season. I don’t expect much but I’d be very happy to be proved wrong. Hughes hung Edwards out to dry by chucking him in away at the big clubs in games he’d written off. Rowett thought Martina was a better option. Verlinden, Tymon and Sorensen have all got game time under him as has Campbell. In what way is it ‘just false’?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 7, 2019 15:03:39 GMT
Really can’t fathom why the fans love him. Last home game chanting Nathan jones’ barmy army at 0-0... bizzarre. I haven’t seen any real attacking football - Leeds is the only really good tactical performance I’ve seen from him. As for bringing youngsters through Hughes and Rosetta called Edwards up so that’s just false. He’s still got a team of players the rest of this league could only dream of and he’s still churning out 0-0’s and losing to teams left right and centre. No upgrade on GR for me, just less of a tossed. As others have said - we’ll find out how good he is after a pre season. I don’t expect much but I’d be very happy to be proved wrong. Simplistically I think it's because he looks and sounds like one of us, like he really cares, that black jacket just finishes it off a treat. And he seems to have the easy knack of just brushing off any questions about the results, his raw intensity just seems to smoke them away. He's done for me, I'm firmly now on-side! And because the team’s performances are getting better?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 15:13:37 GMT
I think we’d probably be higher up the table had Rowett stayed but NJ is the better long term option and looks like he actually cares.
NJ had an awful start but he has us playing pretty well now, I think he is the right man for the job but it’s going to take a few years to make the team his.
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Post by stokeson on Apr 7, 2019 15:23:54 GMT
Jeez take a happy pill fella. Would you rather have Hughes/Lambert/Rowett and their brand of turgid, uninspiring tactics and football. Or a coach who has desire, passion, vision and a hunger not seen in these parts for a good while. Reading your posts on another thread it seems you feel we (as a club) should have continued with Rowett until the parachute payments had dried up. But you’ve got to admit that Jones has done better in 3 months than Rowett did in 6 months. Ok, goals may currently be at a premium, but at least the foundations have been laid for a team ethic and a united passion to fight for each other and the club. Something that has been woefully short for 2 or more seasons. Brand me a happy clapper if you wish but I can see the end goal that NJ is trying to achieve and I have to say in nearly 36 years of supporting Stoke I can’t ever remember seeing a manager as passionate as Jones is. Let the good times roll!! VincentVega is a huge Gary Rowett fan, no-one will come near to Gary in his eyes Choirboy singing alert
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 7, 2019 15:40:52 GMT
We're definitely improving and I'm really impressed how he's dealt with the defensive issues.
I'm hoping he doesn't try and go back to his diamond for next season because I don't think it'll work for us.
If he gets rid of McLean and gets in a decent wide man with pace and works on Vokes fitness it'll make a big difference
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Post by Veritas on Apr 7, 2019 15:59:36 GMT
We're definitely improving and I'm really impressed how he's dealt with the defensive issues. I'm hoping he doesn't try and go back to his diamond for next season because I don't think it'll work for us. If he gets rid of McLean and gets in a decent wide man with pace and works on Vokes fitness it'll make a big difference Summer signings and sales will almost certainly be made with a view to returning to the diamond
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