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Post by werrington on Jun 11, 2019 16:40:21 GMT
Crystal Palace not fucking around are they?...They’ve placed a £60m price tag on that young centre half £23m for an ENGLISH international goalkeeper who is only 25 years of age is an absolute joke Let’s see eh Spot on mate and considering we have to give Brum a percentage also makes it an even bigger joke It’s all paper talk and it may well be all bollocks mate but he’s also got 2 years left on his contract This one is a stern test for Stoke ...£23m plus A N other yeah but £23m for Butland on his own will be an absolute joke Let’s hope it’s bollocks
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 11, 2019 16:42:32 GMT
Spot on mate and considering we have to give Brum a percentage also makes it an even bigger joke It’s all paper talk and it may well be all bollocks mate but he’s also got 2 years left on his contract This one is a stern test for Stoke ...£23m plus A N other yeah but £23m for Butland on his own will be an absolute joke Let’s hope it’s bollocks Durham has just said on Talksport that he can’t believe Stoke only want £23 million for Butland🙄 Like you say massive test for Scholes and Co
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 16:44:18 GMT
Spot on mate and considering we have to give Brum a percentage also makes it an even bigger joke It’s all paper talk and it may well be all bollocks mate but he’s also got 2 years left on his contract This one is a stern test for Stoke ...£23m plus A N other yeah but £23m for Butland on his own will be an absolute joke Let’s hope it’s bollocks Suppose it does make a difference when the rumoured buyer is a superclub and when they're a Villa/Bournemouth/Palace-type though. Different worlds. And we've got a gun to our heads a bit having already bought his successor on a long-term deal and with the knowledge that we are going to need to cash in for whatever we can get this summer now There are only 3-4 potential buyers (and we don't know just how serious any of them are) - and all of them would consider £20m a colossal fee, and all can theoretically look elsewhere at cheaper options, like the Cardiff keeper available at half the price for example if we hold firm and refuse to blink It's obviously a bit of a stand-off but buyer or seller will have to blink in the end and there are reasons why it may be us
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Post by werrington on Jun 11, 2019 16:51:35 GMT
It’s all paper talk and it may well be all bollocks mate but he’s also got 2 years left on his contract This one is a stern test for Stoke ...£23m plus A N other yeah but £23m for Butland on his own will be an absolute joke Let’s hope it’s bollocks Suppose it does make a difference when the rumoured buyer is a superclub and when they're a Villa/Bournemouth/Palace-type though. Different worlds. And we've got a gun to our heads a bit now having already bought his successor on a long-term deal and with the knowledge that we are going to need to cash in for whatever we can get this summer now And there are only 3-4 potential buyers all of whom can theoretically look elsewhere at cheaper options. It's obviously a bit of a stand-off but buyer or seller will have to blink in the end and there are reasons why it may be us Players have their value FM If he was in the final year if his contract then maybe but he’s not .....Sunderland put a price on Pickford and they got it You don’t put your house on the market for 300k and then sell it for 110k because you’ve already committed to buying another Players have a price and it would be madness to sell him for 23m Like I said above ...He’s an English international ( that alone is extremely relevant), 25 years of age and with 2 years on his contract Let’s wait and see how this one pans out as personally I don’t believe it
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Post by eriksson74 on Jun 11, 2019 16:51:55 GMT
It may well be that we said to Jack anything around a certain mark and you can go if you gave us another season? I don't know but may go someway to explaining why we are comfortable at a level below his worth.
Personally and regardless of any sell on to Brum, in this day and age he is in that £35m range easily.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 11, 2019 16:52:15 GMT
Bournemouth signed solanke for £20m with just minutes of premiership experience. Jack is easily £30m in today's market, all day. We just need two clubs seriously interested
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 11, 2019 16:55:18 GMT
Bournemouth signed solanke for £20m with just minutes of premiership experience Apparently Liverpool want £35 for the diving bastard that is Harry Wilson🤔Yes Stoke £35 million for an unproven cheating cnut like him. Wake up Stoke and get in the real world😡
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 16:58:24 GMT
Bournemouth signed solanke for £20m with just minutes of premiership experience Apparently Liverpool want £35 for the diving bastard that is Harry Wilson🤔Yes Stoke £35 million for an unproven cheating cnut like him. Wake up Stoke and get in the real world😡 But what do we do if we don't blink........... and no-one offers more than £20m? Keep him and leave Davies on the bench for the season? People can ask what they want but the market sets the price, doesn't it? Nothing else.
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Post by werrington on Jun 11, 2019 17:00:03 GMT
Bournemouth signed solanke for £20m with just minutes of premiership experience Apparently Liverpool want £35 for the diving bastard that is Harry Wilson🤔Yes Stoke £35 million for an unproven cheating cnut like him. Wake up Stoke and get in the real world😡 It’s probably just a nonsense media hack story mate Let’s hope so anyway
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 11, 2019 17:00:36 GMT
Apparently Liverpool want £35 for the diving bastard that is Harry Wilson🤔Yes Stoke £35 million for an unproven cheating cnut like him. Wake up Stoke and get in the real world😡 But what do we don't blink and no-one offers more than £20m? Keep him and leave Davies on the bench for the season? People can ask what they want but the market sets the price, doesn't it? Nothing else. Yes mate I’d have him and Davies competing with each other if no bid is good enough of alternatively I’d loan him out to the prem to see if by some miracle we got promoted😄
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 11, 2019 17:05:03 GMT
Still thinking Bournemouth will be stirred into action if there is increased interest from other clubs & will ultimately have to raise their offer to get their main target.. Yep, and if they paid 16m for Ibe, then its surely at least 25m for Jack.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 11, 2019 17:53:00 GMT
He's worth more than 30million and that's where I would be asking for.
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Post by rawli on Jun 11, 2019 19:38:10 GMT
Top clubs wany sweeper keepers and Jack just isn't that. That will keep his price relatively low. Plus clubs know we need the money.
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Post by stokebloke on Jun 11, 2019 19:40:41 GMT
Top clubs wany sweeper keepers and Jack just isn't that. That will keep his price relatively low. Plus clubs know we need the money. Do we need the money ?
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Post by rawli on Jun 11, 2019 20:14:05 GMT
Top clubs wany sweeper keepers and Jack just isn't that. That will keep his price relatively low. Plus clubs know we need the money. Do we need the money ? I'd say so yes. Parachute payments are diminishing and having players who are still on mega money means we are haemorraging cash.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 11, 2019 20:27:33 GMT
I see we’re into the latest round of the classic Oatie pastime of overestimating a goalkeeper’s value by about 120%.
Under ideal circumstances, at the peak of his powers and before the top clubs had universally turned to sweeper keepers, we might just be able to demand what Everton paid for Pickford, at a stretch. Our circumstances are far from ideal (he wants to go, we need to sell him, the pool of clubs willing and able to pay mega money is small to non-existent, and frankly he’s not as good as he used to be). If we get 20m for him we’ll have done exceedingly well but I’d say it’s more likely to be 15-18.
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Post by march4 on Jun 11, 2019 20:30:02 GMT
Top clubs wany sweeper keepers and Jack just isn't that. That will keep his price relatively low. Plus clubs know we need the money. Do we need the money ? No.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 11, 2019 20:34:43 GMT
I see we’re into the latest round of the classic Oatie pastime of overestimating a goalkeeper’s value by about 120%. Under ideal circumstances, at the peak of his powers and before the top clubs had universally turned to sweeper keepers, we might just be able to demand what Everton paid for Pickford, at a stretch. Our circumstances are far from ideal (he wants to go, we need to sell him, the pool of clubs willing and able to pay mega money is small to non-existent, and frankly he’s not as good as he used to be). If we get 20m for him we’ll have done exceedingly well but I’d say it’s more likely to be 15-18. A little low but he's not a 30m player based on the last 2 seasons. He improved greatly towards the end and seemed more back to his best but he had a very patchy period.
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Post by scfc5 on Jun 11, 2019 22:06:29 GMT
We don’t need the money but FFP looms if we don’t reduce expenditure.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 11, 2019 22:28:19 GMT
Apparently Liverpool want £35 for the diving bastard that is Harry Wilson🤔Yes Stoke £35 million for an unproven cheating cnut like him. Wake up Stoke and get in the real world😡 But what do we do if we don't blink........... and no-one offers more than £20m?
Keep him and leave Davies on the bench for the season?
People can ask what they want but the market sets the price, doesn't it? Nothing else. Yes.
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2019 22:48:15 GMT
I see we’re into the latest round of the classic Oatie pastime of overestimating a goalkeeper’s value by about 120%. Under ideal circumstances, at the peak of his powers and before the top clubs had universally turned to sweeper keepers, we might just be able to demand what Everton paid for Pickford, at a stretch. Our circumstances are far from ideal (he wants to go, we need to sell him, the pool of clubs willing and able to pay mega money is small to non-existent, and frankly he’s not as good as he used to be). If we get 20m for him we’ll have done exceedingly well but I’d say it’s more likely to be 15-18. I'd say that is an accurate assessment of where we are right now.
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2019 22:55:54 GMT
But what do we do if we don't blink........... and no-one offers more than £20m?
Keep him and leave Davies on the bench for the season?
People can ask what they want but the market sets the price, doesn't it? Nothing else. Yes. Fine if we have money to burn but we are about to embark on our 2nd season in the Championship where median average turnover to run the entire operation is about £25m in total for everything, transfers in, wages, the whole flippin' lot. And sit tight for another year and Jack will be 12 months from the end of his contract and given that we'd be in the territory of more or less giving him away. It wouldn't be a sustainable strategy.
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Post by stokeykez on Jun 11, 2019 22:59:43 GMT
Keep ya powder dry stoke, just because we are a mid table championship club does not mean we have to cave in to the premier league clubs. Harry Wilson 35 mill, wan bissako 60 mill after 1 good season, Ryan Fraser 20 million. Absolutely stupid money but we shouldnt be tickled and roll over for this.
If we dont sell not a lot we can do about it but dont give him away
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 12, 2019 2:04:24 GMT
Fine if we have money to burn but we are about to embark on our 2nd season in the Championship where median average turnover to run the entire operation is about £25m in total for everything, transfers in, wages, the whole flippin' lot. And sit tight for another year and Jack will be 12 months from the end of his contract and given that we'd be in the territory of more or less giving him away. It wouldn't be a sustainable strategy. I get where you're coming from and it makes perfect sense but sod um, pay what he's worth or bugger off, if we're confident in the manager and the team then we should back him, part of that can be taking the risk and keeping Butland for another season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 12, 2019 6:15:54 GMT
Matt Sandoz on Radio Stoke news this morning says "Villa are considering breaking their club record. £20m has been mentioned, but Stoke are looking for closer to £25m"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 6:39:41 GMT
Strong rumours linking Max Aarons to Palace as a replacement for their right back. Fee of 15-20M mentioned. The lad has played one season in professional football. We really should be looking at 30M minimum for Butland in this market.
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Post by Gods on Jun 12, 2019 7:20:08 GMT
Strong rumours linking Max Aarons to Palace as a replacement for their right back. Fee of 15-20M mentioned. The lad has played one season in professional football. We really should be looking at 30M minimum for Butland in this market. Lots of comparisons with outfield players and the market but I wonder, is the market for goalkeepers is it's own discrete market? It's a role and a skill set so different from an outfield player it could be a different sport . I'm not saying a keeper is not equally important only that it's a separate market. If there is a one time aspiring volley ball/handball player in Croatia or Spain who can catch and parry and gets the angles as well as Jack then that's one more on the supply side of the equation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2019 7:20:42 GMT
Strong rumours linking Max Aarons to Palace as a replacement for their right back. Fee of 15-20M mentioned. The lad has played one season in professional football. We really should be looking at 30M minimum for Butland in this market. His stock is low though. 30m would be lovely but he’s just not got the hype or performances to back that up.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 12, 2019 7:21:06 GMT
Matt Sandoz on Radio Stoke news this morning says "Villa are considering breaking their club record. £20m has been mentioned, but Stoke are looking for closer to £25m" So in other words none of them have got a clue what we're asking. £30m, £23m, £25m? They're just plucking figures out of thin air.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 12, 2019 7:23:52 GMT
Strong rumours linking Max Aarons to Palace as a replacement for their right back. Fee of 15-20M mentioned. The lad has played one season in professional football. We really should be looking at 30M minimum for Butland in this market. His stock is low though. 30m would be lovely but he’s just not got the hype or performances to back that up. And Max Aarons has?
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