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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 8:14:15 GMT
Villa would be a poor move all things considered but show exactly where his stock is. But if they pay the money then ace! Massive massive club. New wealthy ambitious owner. Guaranteed the number one spot. Yep, it would be a terrible move alright...... Yeah, I think it'd be a decent move. A real chance to shine there. They're the type of team that actually has a bit of a profile when they're in the Prem as well, and can attract cheerleaders to promote their players for England. Unlike us, who are covered by John Percy and the Sentinel
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Post by callas12 on Jun 11, 2019 8:22:38 GMT
Still thinking Bournemouth will be stirred into action if there is increased interest from other clubs & will ultimately have to raise their offer to get their main target..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 8:27:32 GMT
Villa would be a poor move all things considered but show exactly where his stock is. But if they pay the money then ace! Massive massive club. New wealthy ambitious owner. Guaranteed the number one spot. Yep, it would be a terrible move alright...... Just got promoted, need a massive rebuild, probably won't have the striker that got them up and bar Grealish need a new 11 really. It's not the move he would have been hoping for is it.
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Post by pottarius on Jun 11, 2019 8:28:26 GMT
The established England No2 keeper should do better than a side that, let's be honest, could well come straight back down. Where does that then leave him? He's plenty good enough to get a Top 8 move - Leicester (for example) would be a much better bet for him, if his real motivation is being in the PL, a club of that ilk. But if they're not in for him, what does he do? He needs a team looking for a new No.1 keeper , and most teams seem pretty settled there. That team needs to be willing to pay £20m for one - and that's still a very hefty price for all but the top 6 or 7. And that team needs to have homed in on him, above all other cheaper options, and press the button and go ahead with it. At the moment, the only clubs that seem to come close to ticking all three boxes seem to be lower Prem teams. At the very least, hopefully this alleged Villa interest will get Bournemouth to get a bit more serious. But if no-one is willing to go above £20m, what do we do? There are other keepers out there for these teams. Could be a game of chicken, especially as we've already bought his replacement on a long-term deal and we will end up needing this pot of Butland money, whether it be £15m, £18m or £20m+? And ultimately he's only worth what figure the market throws up for him I think they'll accept 20m with an add-on (e.g. 5m if reach 20caps England, or 100starts for Villa). I would also hope they include at least a 20% sell-on clause too Although 3.3m of the 20m would go to Brum, its not unrealistic to be honest (especially with a decent add-on). Everyone slags off 30m Pickford but to be honest I don't see JB as much better for shot stopping - for distribution and for penalty saving he is significantly worse
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 11, 2019 8:28:52 GMT
Villa would be a poor move all things considered but show exactly where his stock is. But if they pay the money then ace! To be perfectly honest it doesn't really matter to me whether it's a good, bad or indifferent move. If he wants to move then it's his problem not ours. All I care about is that we get as much for him as we can.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 8:30:38 GMT
Villa would be a poor move all things considered but show exactly where his stock is. But if they pay the money then ace! To be perfectly honest it doesn't really matter to me whether it's a good, bad or indifferent move. If he wants to move then it's his problem not ours. All I care about is that we get as much for him as we can. Me too, I just find it amusing if he went Villa.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 8:35:09 GMT
To be perfectly honest it doesn't really matter to me whether it's a good, bad or indifferent move. If he wants to move then it's his problem not ours. All I care about is that we get as much for him as we can. Me too, I just find it amusing if he went Villa. I think they'll cobble together enough to stay up. Burnley will be down there surely this time. Brighton probably too. And Norwich and Sheff Utd you'd think. I don't think a top 6 move was ever really on fr him - so outside of them, they're all much of a muchness and one bad season away from a real relegation scrap. They are a very big club with a bit of a profile - and he'd definitely be called on to make lots of saves. Win-win!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 8:40:10 GMT
Me too, I just find it amusing if he went Villa. I think they'll cobble together enough to stay up. Burnley will be down there surely this time. Brighton probably too. And Norwich and Sheff Utd you'd think. I don't think a top 6 move was ever really on fr him - so outside of them, they're all much of a muchness and one bad season away from a real relegation scrap. They are a very big club with a bit of a profile - and he'd definitely be called on to make lots of saves. Win-win! Possibly but I don't think it's anywhere close to being guaranteed. They are a big club but not at the moment and need a lot of work to being even midtable. Bournemouth for the next 2 years is the better move here if he can get it. They are a proper media darling with one of the ultimate media darling manager. And that'd be the bit that would worry if I was him after his last season in the PL where he had to do a lot......
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 11, 2019 8:43:32 GMT
Villa would be a poor move all things considered but show exactly where his stock is. But if they pay the money then ace! Exactly why would it be a poor move for him, Bayern? Now they have new wealthy owners allied to a biggish ground and a big fan base, the only thing really wrong with Villa is the disgraceful overcrowding at half time in the away concourse on the upper tier. That isn't likely to affect Jack much - as I doubt he will ever see it. If none of the current top six are prepared to bid for him, then I would have thought Villa would be ideal for him assuming he wants to stay in the country. The other potentially good move in the Prem would be to Newcastle but only if/when their takeover is confirmed and Benitez signs a new contract and there is no certainty that either of those things will happen.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 8:44:42 GMT
I think they'll cobble together enough to stay up. Burnley will be down there surely this time. Brighton probably too. And Norwich and Sheff Utd you'd think. I don't think a top 6 move was ever really on fr him - so outside of them, they're all much of a muchness and one bad season away from a real relegation scrap. They are a very big club with a bit of a profile - and he'd definitely be called on to make lots of saves. Win-win! Possibly but I don't think it's anywhere close to being guaranteed. They are a big club but not at the moment and need a lot of work to being even midtable. Bournemouth for the next 2 years is the better move here if he can get it. They are a proper media darling with one of the ultimate media darling manager. And that'd be the bit that would worry if I was him after his last season in the PL where he had to do a lot...... Not 100% sure about Bournemouth being the better bet. Their form from the autumn onwards was absolutely appalling. Less than a point-a-game stuff for the last 30 games (Cardiff got more points from October). Which, given the money they've spent is not great!
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jun 11, 2019 8:44:58 GMT
I wonder how happy Villa fans will be with them giving 4 million+ to Birmingham?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 8:53:36 GMT
Possibly but I don't think it's anywhere close to being guaranteed. They are a big club but not at the moment and need a lot of work to being even midtable. Bournemouth for the next 2 years is the better move here if he can get it. They are a proper media darling with one of the ultimate media darling manager. And that'd be the bit that would worry if I was him after his last season in the PL where he had to do a lot...... Not 100% sure about Bournemouth being the better bet. Their form from the autumn onwards was absolutely appalling. Less than a point-a-game stuff for the last 30 games (Cardiff got more points from October). Which, given the money they've spent is not great! Still got a manager they trust, signing good young players and more likely to keep their better players too. Villa should struggle massively.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 8:54:34 GMT
Villa would be a poor move all things considered but show exactly where his stock is. But if they pay the money then ace! Exactly why would it be a poor move for him, Bayern? Now they have new wealthy owners allied to a biggish ground and a big fan base, the only thing really wrong with Villa is the disgraceful overcrowding at half time in the away concourse on the upper tier. That isn't likely to affect Jack much - as I doubt he will ever see it. If none of the current top six are prepared to bid for him, then I would have thought Villa would be ideal for him assuming he wants to stay in the country. The other potentially good move in the Prem would be to Newcastle but only if/when their takeover is confirmed and Benitez signs a new contract and there is no certainty that either of those things will happen. 'Castle's 'keeper is better than Jack so I can't see that. See my other posts re Villa.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 9:07:34 GMT
I think Villa will really struggle.
The main reason they got promoted (Abraham) won't be coming back and I can't see Tuanzebe coming back either.
Thats two massive holes to fill. We know 1st hand that 15 goal a season strikers in the PL are like gold dust.
That aside....an English international goalkeeper coming into his prime is worth 30 million quid any day of the week in this day and age.
Just look at the fees being banded around....Huddersfield paid 18m for Kongolo and he's wank. Palace want 75m for Bissaka who's had one PL season.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jun 11, 2019 9:25:06 GMT
I think they'll cobble together enough to stay up. Burnley will be down there surely this time. Brighton probably too. And Norwich and Sheff Utd you'd think. I don't think a top 6 move was ever really on fr him - so outside of them, they're all much of a muchness and one bad season away from a real relegation scrap. They are a very big club with a bit of a profile - and he'd definitely be called on to make lots of saves. Win-win! Possibly but I don't think it's anywhere close to being guaranteed. They are a big club but not at the moment and need a lot of work to being even midtable. Bournemouth for the next 2 years is the better move here if he can get it. They are a proper media darling with one of the ultimate media darling manager. And that'd be the bit that would worry if I was him after his last season in the PL where he had to do a lot...... Bournemouth a better move than Villa ! Sorry but you`re in the minority with this one Bayern. It`s a bit like asking the ugly fat bird for the last dance because you think all of the pretty ones are out of your league !
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jun 11, 2019 9:28:34 GMT
I just don't get why keepers are so undervalued compared to out field players ,Butland is worth £30m if not more. A keeper can influence a game as much as a striker who seem to go for crazy money. A fullback for 75m after 12 months in the prem is worth double an England International? I don't get it...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 9:50:15 GMT
Possibly but I don't think it's anywhere close to being guaranteed. They are a big club but not at the moment and need a lot of work to being even midtable. Bournemouth for the next 2 years is the better move here if he can get it. They are a proper media darling with one of the ultimate media darling manager. And that'd be the bit that would worry if I was him after his last season in the PL where he had to do a lot...... Bournemouth a better move than Villa ! Sorry but you`re in the minority with this one Bayern. It`s a bit like asking the ugly fat bird for the last dance because you think all of the pretty ones are out of your league ! As things stand I don't think there's any contest. What Villa were 10 years ago is of little consequence. Out of the two now, one is more equipped to stay in the Premier League and do well, it isn't Villa.
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2019 10:38:28 GMT
Villa would be a great move providing there's a relegation release clause.
Then we can buy him back for two thirds the price when we swap divisions next summer 😃
Please note the 😀 is to indicate this a non serious post before anyone rants away...
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Post by stokief on Jun 11, 2019 11:13:49 GMT
Villa would be a great move providing there's a relegation release clause. Then we can buy him back for two thirds the price when we swap divisions next summer 😃 Please note the 😀 is to indicate this a non serious post before anyone rants away... I tell yer what, if I was Jack and the best I could hope for was Bournemouth or Villa I'd be back at Stoke, tail between legs asking if they'd organise a cheeky loan out for me! Top 6 fair enough but anything else and you takes yer chances! All of this 'cause he believes Southgate will give him more chance if he's in the Prem. He still wont drop Pickford for him
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Post by skip on Jun 11, 2019 11:18:20 GMT
^ although there is the Villa Southgate connection, obv.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 13:49:26 GMT
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Post by Timmy on Jun 11, 2019 14:02:34 GMT
20 million is an absolute steal for England's number 2 goalkeeper.
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 11, 2019 14:03:19 GMT
Any players we’d want off them? Let’s make a deal.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 11, 2019 14:04:26 GMT
My understanding was we'd slapped a £30 million price tag on him?
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 11, 2019 15:46:58 GMT
Some kind of perverse bizarre and twisted logic here to the effect that: a move from Stoke city to now premier league Aston Villa, would not be an upwards move ???? Wierd! Bournemouth it is then (even wierder)
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Post by adi on Jun 11, 2019 16:05:32 GMT
We’re awful at selling players. Didn’t we demand £30m not a few months ago, now we’ve dropped the price by 20%?!
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Post by werrington on Jun 11, 2019 16:11:30 GMT
Crystal Palace not fucking around are they?...They’ve placed a £60m price tag on that young centre half
£23m for an ENGLISH international goalkeeper who is only 25 years of age is an absolute joke
Let’s see eh
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Post by Davef on Jun 11, 2019 16:25:43 GMT
We’re awful at selling players. Didn’t we demand £30m not a few months ago, now we’ve dropped the price by 20%?! Who says we have? Oh yeah, the Express & Star.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 11, 2019 16:28:34 GMT
Crystal Palace not fucking around are they?...They’ve placed a £60m price tag on that young centre half £23m for an ENGLISH international goalkeeper who is only 25 years of age is an absolute joke Let’s see eh Spot on mate and considering we have to give Brum a percentage also makes it an even bigger joke
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 16:33:44 GMT
He's worth 30M easily and we should really stand our ground on the fee.
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