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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 9, 2019 7:40:33 GMT
Its a situation clubs face all the time. Not really 1 Leicester , West Ham , Bournemouth , Crystal Palace , Watford ,Southampton all our per group 3 years ago aren’t Losing players seeking premier league football 2 None of the above are forged to raise money for FFP 3 Not all championship clubs are struggling to meet FFP 4 N0 championship clubs are struggling to deal with £50m of players acquired by a botched process last summer No amount of bleating will change the fact we are in the mess because we made an absolute Horlicks of investing £190million provided by brilliant owners . Yes really. The premier league clubs you refer to all have to ensure financial checks and balances are accountable.
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Post by questionable on Jun 9, 2019 7:40:36 GMT
Well Sunderland in rapid decline, well known crippling debts managed to get a fee of 25m for Pickford, so 23m is a steal, more so as Birmingham get what 20% ??
Anything less and Scholes should be booted out ASAP, it really is a complete mess with this inept fool at the club
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 9, 2019 7:42:17 GMT
I think around £23M is very close to the right valuation of Jack right now. Also remember that £5M of this will go to Birmingham. £3m odd is the figure I saw
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2019 7:45:07 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 9, 2019 7:45:36 GMT
I think around £23M is very close to the right valuation of Jack right now. Also remember that £5M of this will go to Birmingham. £3m odd is the figure I saw I thought it was 20% of everything above £3.5M which we bought him for?
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 9, 2019 7:48:01 GMT
£3m odd is the figure I saw I thought it was 20% of everything above £3.5M which we bought him for? Yep which is £3m odd don't you know you £19.5m x 20% timestable
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 7:48:30 GMT
What’s with the panic? You all seem to forget, we’ve got TS negotiating. He'll get negotiations going the wrong way we'll end up getting £2.3m and a pre season game thrown in. A few years ago, what now is an ex mate was selling his car, he had a for sale sign in the windows, anyway, he got offered more than he wanted for the car, he told the prospective buyer that it wasn’t worth the amount offered so didn’t accept it. Reminds me of how TS negotiates
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Post by slpmarc on Jun 9, 2019 7:50:58 GMT
£3m odd is the figure I saw I thought it was 20% of everything above £3.5M which we bought him for? It is 20% of any profit, so your right. Would imagine Stoke want to clear £20mill profit minimum
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 9, 2019 7:51:52 GMT
I thought it was 20% of everything above £3.5M which we bought him for? Yep which is £3m odd don't you know you £19.5m x 20% timestable I won't brag about my skills in maths because that would be lying, but ......
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jun 9, 2019 7:55:20 GMT
Planet Nixon! Clearly lives in his own orbit! Clubs ask silly prices for average players and he thinks £23m is staggering for an England player, wanted by 2 PL clubs! Our concern is to maximise our return on investment - we have paid him a very good wedge and have absolutely no responsibility to reduce our fee, simply facilitate his desire to get back in to the PL.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2019 7:55:29 GMT
So based on the figure he ends up going for:
£23m - we end up with £19.1m £20m - we end up with £16.7m £17m - we end up with £14.3m
£23m seems a bit optimistic. I can see us having to budge a bit in the end
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 9, 2019 7:55:46 GMT
We do need to sell him though whatever happens because he’s on PL wages which I’d imagine costs us 2m + a year.
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Post by slpmarc on Jun 9, 2019 7:57:21 GMT
We do need to sell him though whatever happens because he’s on PL wages which I’d imagine costs us 2m + a year. Jack was one of the players who took a 40% cut when relegated but I’d say his wage is around £2mill a year
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2019 8:00:12 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 9, 2019 9:19:53 GMT
So based on the figure he ends up going for: £23m - we end up with £19.1m £20m - we end up with £16.7m £17m - we end up with £14.3m £23m seems a bit optimistic. I can see us having to budge a bit in the end I am not sure we will he is worth 10 to 15 points I'd say which could be all the difference. £23m for an england keeper is not alot I hope they hold their nerve De Gea may kick off a keeper merry go round if he leaves united.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 9, 2019 9:28:30 GMT
I don't see why Jack's pay is relevant to him being sold. The only relevance is he will want to leave.
We stuck out on Arni's transfer to West Ham, and they upped the price closer to the window close. We should do the same with Jack and if no one is prepared to pay, then keep him.
If that effects what Jones can spend, then tough, I don't think Stoke will be successful again until virtually all the dross remaining from Hughes era and that Rowett brought in is removed.
Maybe we should let Jack go for less to anyone who will take Imbula, Wimmer, McClean, Ince etc. off our books, the way we got lumbered with Palacios.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 9, 2019 9:33:31 GMT
Dig ya fuckin heals in Stoke!!! It'll serve them both right if someone comes in with the offer we want in the meantime!!!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 9, 2019 9:42:06 GMT
Not really 1 Leicester , West Ham , Bournemouth , Crystal Palace , Watford ,Southampton all our per group 3 years ago aren’t Losing players seeking premier league football 2 None of the above are forged to raise money for FFP 3 Not all championship clubs are struggling to meet FFP 4 N0 championship clubs are struggling to deal with £50m of players acquired by a botched process last summer No amount of bleating will change the fact we are in the mess because we made an absolute Horlicks of investing £190million provided by brilliant owners . Yes really. The premier league clubs you refer to all have to ensure financial checks and balances are accountable. Not the point they aren’t relying on best player sales to fund their transfer budget they have circa £120million income to do that ie name the last players bournemouth should of for big money
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 9, 2019 9:55:52 GMT
I know I’m probably speaking a little out of term but is Jack actually that good? Yes he’s made some great saves but over the last couple of seasons he’s made quite a few errors too. Good keeper but not great. I think 20-25m is all we can expect. I
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Post by liathroid on Jun 9, 2019 10:27:09 GMT
I know I’m probably speaking a little out of term but is De Gea actually that good? Yes he’s made some great saves but over the last couple of seasons he’s made quite a few errors too. Good keeper but not great. I think 20-25m is all we can expect. I
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 9, 2019 10:31:17 GMT
I know I’m probably speaking a little out of term but is De Gea actually that good? Yes he’s made some great saves but over the last couple of seasons he’s made quite a few errors too. Good keeper but not great. I think 20-25m is all we can expect. I Prior to this season though how man errors can we remember De Geah making. Over 10 years he’s consistently been the best keeper in the world. That said at the moment I’d say his value is going down on the back of the 2 to 3 he made in the last month.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 9, 2019 10:36:32 GMT
Prior to this season though how man errors can we remember De Geah making. Over 10 years he’s consistently been the best keeper in the world. That said at the moment I’d say his value is going down on the back of the 2 to 3 he made in the last month. Jack is worth every penny,wait till clubs start buying players then you'll see where the value is
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 9, 2019 11:11:56 GMT
I know I’m probably speaking a little out of term but is Jack actually that good? Yes he’s made some great saves but over the last couple of seasons he’s made quite a few errors too. Good keeper but not great. I think 20-25m is all we can expect. I He's been distracted in the last 12 months.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 9, 2019 11:29:22 GMT
I know I’m probably speaking a little out of term but is Jack actually that good? Yes he’s made some great saves but over the last couple of seasons he’s made quite a few errors too. Good keeper but not great. I think 20-25m is all we can expect. I John 1:11 " He came unto his own, and his own received him not. "
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Post by jeycov on Jun 9, 2019 12:01:52 GMT
not starting for england today - not helping our chances of a good price
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 9, 2019 12:08:33 GMT
not starting for england today - not helping our chances of a good price Still I think his potential is bigger than Pickford's.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 9, 2019 13:14:25 GMT
For everyone saying £23m is a bit high, Palace want £50m for Wan-Bissaka and Bournemouth £30m+ for Fraser so to me £23m suddenly seems a bit low
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 9, 2019 13:23:39 GMT
For everyone saying £23m is a bit high, Palace want £50m for Wan-Bissaka and Bournemouth £30m+ for Fraser so to me £23m suddenly seems a bit low I think on the whole though generally outfield players seem to go for more. In my opinion Everton paid way over the top for Pickford.
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Post by pipegatepotter on Jun 9, 2019 13:28:06 GMT
For everyone saying £23m is a bit high, Palace want £50m for Wan-Bissaka and Bournemouth £30m+ for Fraser so to me £23m suddenly seems a bit low I think on the whole though generally outfield players seem to go for more. In my opinion Everton paid way over the top for Pickford. I definitely think £23m is too low for a top class goalkeeper Absolutely ridiculous comments regarding mistakes and value.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 9, 2019 13:28:28 GMT
Its a situation clubs face all the time. Not really 1 Leicester , West Ham , Bournemouth , Crystal Palace , Watford ,Southampton all our per group 3 years ago aren’t Losing players seeking premier league football 2 None of the above are forged to raise money for FFP 3 Not all championship clubs are struggling to meet FFP 4 N0 championship clubs are struggling to deal with £50m of players acquired by a botched process last summer No amount of bleating will change the fact we are in the mess because we made an absolute Horlicks of investing £190million provided by brilliant owners . I agree. There’s nothing brilliant about owners who allow their management to waste 190 million on assets that gave a negative rate of return. Therin lies the problem.
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