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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:38:12 GMT
Shored us up? It took two brilliant saves from Butland, the post and the cross bar to keep a clean sheet. There was also one shot second half that was a Nats dick away from going in with Butland rooted. Had any one of those 5 gone in that was that. Game over. I pay money to be entertained. Our second half performance was woeful. We’ve conceded 2 goals in 6 games..... There was a 7 games run under Rowett where we conceded 2.....whats your point?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 11:40:05 GMT
If that's still the approach in a year's time or even six month's time I'll be worried. He himself has said it's not his plan though and not what he wants to see. Everything should be viewed in context, which for some reason remains on here a dirtier word than 'spunkblancmange'. The context is that he's been parachuted into a team on its arse mid-season and is gradually getting a bit more organisation and belief and grounding in that side of things. If it's not his plan why bother setting up that way. If he wants to play football and play on front foot, pick some footballers who can actually play with a modicum of talent. Oh...and if he could stop celebrating a 0-0 draw like we've won the cup final, it would be most appreciated. It's small time and its embarrassing. Clap the support by way of appreciation then fuck off. Context, again. It’s to build a bit of confidence and a work ethic into a weak as piss bunch. At this stage I couldn’t give a fuck if he does the lambada at the end of games, it’s neither here nor there.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 11:40:55 GMT
We’ve conceded 2 goals in 6 games..... There was a 7 games run under Rowett where we conceded 2.....whats your point? Rowett and Jones’ situations are different, as has been explained as nauseum.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:44:57 GMT
There was a 7 games run under Rowett where we conceded 2.....whats your point? Rowett and Jones’ situations are different, as has been explained as nauseum. There is a difference between explanations and providing excuses ad nauseum. What hasn't changed is we are paying money to watch absolute wank.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 11:46:19 GMT
Can you please give me a clue as to what progress is being made. Under Rowett we went on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. Under Jones we are seemingly going on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. The difference for me is that under Rowett I actually thought we could score goals, under Jones I reckon we could set a new record and not score for the rest of the season. How the fuck is that progress? I was a fan of Rowett but let’s not rewrite history here For Derby away last night there was Birmingham away, for QPR away there was Bolton away ....I could go on Jones has at least shored us up so if we score we’ve got half a chance If we don't have a shot on target how are we going to score ?, rely on own goals. That dross last night was as bad as anything we have witnessed under our last four managers, he keeps picking Ince who plainly doesn't give a flying fcuk why ?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 11:47:32 GMT
If it's not his plan why bother setting up that way. If he wants to play football and play on front foot, pick some footballers who can actually play with a modicum of talent. Oh...and if he could stop celebrating a 0-0 draw like we've won the cup final, it would be most appreciated. It's small time and its embarrassing. Clap the support by way of appreciation then fuck off. Context, again. It’s to build a bit of confidence and a work ethic into a weak as piss bunch. At this stage I couldn’t give a fuck if he does the lambada at the end of games, it’s neither here nor there. I seem to remember NJ stating what a good group they were !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:47:41 GMT
We’ve conceded 2 goals in 6 games..... There was a 7 games run under Rowett where we conceded 2.....whats your point? My point is a fairly simple one, we've conceded 2 in 6 which means he's "shored us up" I never mentioned Rowett, and comparing the two is silly as it was Rowett that spunked £50m on a bunch of underperforming, talentless show ponies, not Jones.....
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 11:49:05 GMT
I was a fan of Rowett but let’s not rewrite history here For Derby away last night there was Birmingham away, for QPR away there was Bolton away ....I could go on Jones has at least shored us up so if we score we’ve got half a chance If we don't have a shot on target how are we going to score ?, rely on own goals. That dross last night was as bad as anything we have witnessed under our last four managers, he keeps picking Ince who plainly doesn't give a flying fcuk why ? No idea but if Ince is part of his long term thinking that may well be why
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 11:51:55 GMT
If we don't have a shot on target how are we going to score ?, rely on own goals. That dross last night was as bad as anything we have witnessed under our last four managers, he keeps picking Ince who plainly doesn't give a flying fcuk why ? No idea but if Ince is part of his long term thinking that may well be why If he is we are truly in the shit.
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 14, 2019 11:55:32 GMT
If it's not his plan why bother setting up that way. If he wants to play football and play on front foot, pick some footballers who can actually play with a modicum of talent. Oh...and if he could stop celebrating a 0-0 draw like we've won the cup final, it would be most appreciated. It's small time and its embarrassing. Clap the support by way of appreciation then fuck off. Context, again. It’s to build a bit of confidence and a work ethic into a weak as piss bunch. At this stage I couldn’t give a fuck if he does the lambada at the end of games, it’s neither here nor there. Building a team spirit and hard to beat mentality in a group of players who many predict will be all to a man shipped out. we are told on here that this isn't Jones's team so we can expect at least 6/7 new faces in the starting lineup so new players team spirit and mentality will have to be built again. I really expected Jones to be trying different players and different systems...Ashley Williams in midfield and James McClean as part of a front two with Fletcher making a late cameo appearance is all bordering on the pathetic. what's the progress people are suggesting? Setting up defensively and grinding out draws is one of the basics most managers can achieve...Lambert did it and so did Rowett.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2019 12:07:29 GMT
Stoke and Derby were in completely different situations last night. I would not have wanted any young player making his debut the way we were playing. I've not seen Verlindern play but from what I've read he's very good with the ball but needs to work on his game when the team don't have the ball. Who exactly did you envisage passing the ball to him if he'd come on? Remember he's playing at the moment in an u23 team which is dominating the opposition.
Plus the fact that Afobe went off meant there was never a chance of him coming on. Neither Adam or Woods were going to last the game. Jones had no choice.
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 12:09:58 GMT
No idea but if Ince is part of his long term thinking that may well be why If he is we are truly in the shit. Tom Ince along with Butland is one who can be absolved of any blame for the shambles left to Jones, as for his current form yeah it’s concerning There’s a lot more people and players higher up the finger pointing chain than Tom Ince if you look at the bigger picture More concerning is playing Fletcher and a few others
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 12:13:10 GMT
Rowett and Jones’ situations are different, as has been explained as nauseum. There is a difference between explanations and providing excuses ad nauseum. What hasn't changed is we are paying money to watch absolute wank. I don’t think it is an excuse. Did you expect him to come in and wave a magic wand?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 12:13:56 GMT
Context, again. It’s to build a bit of confidence and a work ethic into a weak as piss bunch. At this stage I couldn’t give a fuck if he does the lambada at the end of games, it’s neither here nor there. I seem to remember NJ stating what a good group they were ! Yes, calling your players a bunch of ponces in public tends not to be a managerially astute move.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 12:17:08 GMT
Context, again. It’s to build a bit of confidence and a work ethic into a weak as piss bunch. At this stage I couldn’t give a fuck if he does the lambada at the end of games, it’s neither here nor there. Building a team spirit and hard to beat mentality in a group of players who many predict will be all to a man shipped out. we are told on here that this isn't Jones's team so we can expect at least 6/7 new faces in the starting lineup so new players team spirit and mentality will have to be built again. I really expected Jones to be trying different players and different systems...Ashley Williams in midfield and James McClean as part of a front two with Fletcher making a late cameo appearance is all bordering on the pathetic. what's the progress people are suggesting? Setting up defensively and grinding out draws is one of the basics most managers can achieve...Lambert did it and so did Rowett. Rowett had a fortune to build his own team and a pre-season and made things worse and created more problems. Jones is taking time to know his players and the league. So far he’s been criticised for experimenting too much and for not experimenting enough. It’s a rock and a hard place situation. I’m happy for him to instill his ethos, build his team and go from there. He has to work with what he’s got for now and he can’t very well tell them all he’s fucking them off at the first opportunity can he?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 12:20:33 GMT
If he is we are truly in the shit. Tom Ince along with Butland is one who can be absolved of any blame for the shambles left to Jones, as for his current form yeah it’s concerning There’s a lot more people and players higher up the finger pointing chain than Tom Ince if you look at the bigger picture More concerning is playing Fletcher and a few others Be nice if he could be arsed to earn his wages though, it's not his fault he is been picked when he is clearly hiding in games, we can see it going on why has the manager not, I do agree about bringing Fletcher on or even having him on the bench for me, Jones has a massive job on his hands here I think he underestimated the depth of our wankness, raising expectations early doors about playing attacking exciting football has not helped.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 12:22:53 GMT
I seem to remember NJ stating what a good group they were ! Yes, calling your players a bunch of ponces in public tends not to be a managerially astute move. He didn't have to say anything we already knew what this group was before he arrived ! nothing has really changed since Rowett was sacked apart from Berahino been banished.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 12:26:43 GMT
Yes, calling your players a bunch of ponces in public tends not to be a managerially astute move. He didn't have to say anything we already knew what this group was before he arrived ! nothing has really changed since Rowett was sacked apart from Berahino been banished. That's not how the media works is it? He didn't voluntarily call a press conference to sing from the rooftops about the virtues of the group. He was asked about it and he gave the only answer he could give in public.
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 12:27:39 GMT
Yes, calling your players a bunch of ponces in public tends not to be a managerially astute move. He didn't have to say anything we already knew what this group was before he arrived ! nothing has really changed since Rowett was sacked apart from Berahino been banished. It has though hasn’t it Edwards is now starting games on a regular basis, he’s bought a centre half who can defend and reinvigorated Shawcross, BMI is a different player and we look like we can defend again Butland now looks confident and playing superbly, he’s bought a centre forward who unfortunately is injured Plenty has changed in reality
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 12:31:55 GMT
He didn't have to say anything we already knew what this group was before he arrived ! nothing has really changed since Rowett was sacked apart from Berahino been banished. That's not how the media works is it? He didn't voluntarily call a press conference to sing from the rooftops about the virtues of the group. He was asked about it and he gave the only answer he could give in public. There are ways of answering questions without praising a failing group, the truth as we know is that this group of players are shysters, I have stated he has a hard job with the players at his disposal but praising this lot has made him look just a little bit stupid.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 12:34:48 GMT
He didn't have to say anything we already knew what this group was before he arrived ! nothing has really changed since Rowett was sacked apart from Berahino been banished. It has though hasn’t it Edwards is now starting games on a regular basis, he’s bought a centre half who can defend and reinvigorated Shawcross, BMI is a different player and we look like we can defend again Butland now looks confident and playing superbly, he’s bought a centre forward who unfortunately is injured Plenty has changed in reality Given this is a results driven industry I would say on balance it has not, I don't think we will agree on this so I am out.
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 12:38:51 GMT
It has though hasn’t it Edwards is now starting games on a regular basis, he’s bought a centre half who can defend and reinvigorated Shawcross, BMI is a different player and we look like we can defend again Butland now looks confident and playing superbly, he’s bought a centre forward who unfortunately is injured Plenty has changed in reality Given this is a results driven industry I would say on balance it has not, I don't think we will agree on this so I am out. You’ve moved the goalposts if I’m being honest, You said nothing has changed when it obviously has....you said nothing about results
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 12:40:25 GMT
That's not how the media works is it? He didn't voluntarily call a press conference to sing from the rooftops about the virtues of the group. He was asked about it and he gave the only answer he could give in public. There are ways of answering questions without praising a failing group, the truth as we know is that this group of players are shysters, I have stated he has a hard job with the players at his disposal but praising this lot has made him look just a little bit stupid. Has it? His results are improving, the defence is improving and we've stopped losing. So it seems to be working reasonably well. What 'way' would you have answered the question, if someone put it to you that Liam Lawrence had stated the dressing room was a mess?
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 14, 2019 12:46:13 GMT
Ince Clucas Woods and donkey Diouf are absolutely dreadful, get rid of all 4
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 12:48:35 GMT
There are ways of answering questions without praising a failing group, the truth as we know is that this group of players are shysters, I have stated he has a hard job with the players at his disposal but praising this lot has made him look just a little bit stupid. Has it? His results are improving, the defence is improving and we've stopped losing. So it seems to be working reasonably well. What 'way' would you have answered the question, if someone put it to you that Liam Lawrence had stated the dressing room was a mess? How many unbeaten games did we manage under the useless Rowett ? he stated it before LL's comments and he could have deflected the question or said we need improvement he didn't have to lie which it seems he has in my opinion of course.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 12:59:19 GMT
Has it? His results are improving, the defence is improving and we've stopped losing. So it seems to be working reasonably well. What 'way' would you have answered the question, if someone put it to you that Liam Lawrence had stated the dressing room was a mess? How many unbeaten games did we manage under the useless Rowett ? he stated it before LL's comments and he could have deflected the question or said we need improvement he didn't have to lie which it seems he has in my opinion of course. And how would he have deflected the question, specifically? Pointed out the window and said “ooh, look, a helicopter!”? It was Rowett’s team that he spent a fortune to build himself. These are problems he in part has bequeathed to Jones. That’s the difference.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 13:04:27 GMT
How many unbeaten games did we manage under the useless Rowett ? he stated it before LL's comments and he could have deflected the question or said we need improvement he didn't have to lie which it seems he has in my opinion of course. And how would he have deflected the question, specifically? Pointed out the window and said “ooh, look, a helicopter!”? It was Rowett’s team that he spent a fortune to build himself. These are problems he in part has bequeathed to Jones. That’s the difference. Would that be the best you or he could have come up with ? how many games did we go unbeaten under the useless Rowett ?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2019 13:06:28 GMT
If it's not his plan why bother setting up that way. If he wants to play football and play on front foot, pick some footballers who can actually play with a modicum of talent. Oh...and if he could stop celebrating a 0-0 draw like we've won the cup final, it would be most appreciated. It's small time and its embarrassing. Clap the support by way of appreciation then fuck off. Context, again. It’s to build a bit of confidence and a work ethic into a weak as piss bunch. At this stage I couldn’t give a fuck if he does the lambada at the end of games, it’s neither here nor there. So you think yesterday's remarkable 0-0 would have given confidence to the likes of McLean, ince, Allen, diouf, woods, Adam and Afobe? Even Batth who probably realised that hes a footballer in the loosest sense of the word?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 13:07:44 GMT
And how would he have deflected the question, specifically? Pointed out the window and said “ooh, look, a helicopter!”? It was Rowett’s team that he spent a fortune to build himself. These are problems he in part has bequeathed to Jones. That’s the difference. Would that be the best you or he could have come up with ? how many games did we go unbeaten under the useless Rowett ? I'm still waiting for the best you can do, given it's apparently so easy? In your own time. Again, the difference with the Rowett situation has been made numerous times.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 13:08:21 GMT
Context, again. It’s to build a bit of confidence and a work ethic into a weak as piss bunch. At this stage I couldn’t give a fuck if he does the lambada at the end of games, it’s neither here nor there. So you think yesterday's remarkable 0-0 would have given confidence to the likes of McLean, ince, Allen, diouf, woods, Adam and Afobe? Even Batth who probably realised that hes a footballer in the loosest sense of the word? To the team as a group? Yeah, I think they'd see it as perhaps a fortunate but battling point.
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