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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 21:50:06 GMT
Derby stick a young lad on for his debut for 10 mins, Then We stick a retiring player on. Inspiring game management that.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 14, 2019 9:03:36 GMT
It sums Jones up to a tee!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 14, 2019 9:28:01 GMT
Given the stick that Tom Edwards has got on here, I’m not really surprised Jones may wait a little bit to introduce players to the first team. He’s also let Edwards fight it out with Bauer for a starting place, and has plumped for Edwards so he’s clearly willing to give them a chance just when we have a little bit more freedom to play. I’d like to see Verlinden feature at home to a lowly Reading, than a tough away game at Derby for his debut.
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 14, 2019 9:53:41 GMT
It is very plain to see that Nathan Jones is in a no win situation. He is being slated for first of all creating a team that is becoming hard to beat! Had he yesterday put Verlinden on and we had lost to a late goal he would have been ridiculed by impatient fans who want results yesterday! Last night our manager was without the better options of Vokes, Etebo and Clucas. He was down to the bare bones in midfield! On top of this Charlie can really only last for about sixty minutes before his legs are shot! For what ever reason we have players such as Diouf, Wood, Berahino, McClean and Ince who have not reached the fans expectations in our disappointing decline from a good position in the Premiership. Add to this expensive signings that have failed completely to make any impact! I can understand why some fans are finding it very difficult to control their disappointment but they are wrong to criticise Jones. We are progressing and we have made great progress since he arrived. I have no doubt we will see Verlinden appear soon because Jones is not afraid to blood young players. When he has the opportunity again to shift certain players away and bring in further excellent signings in the mould of Batth and Vokes and use our talented young players such as Edwards, we will once again have a team to be proud of.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 14, 2019 9:56:55 GMT
Given the stick that Tom Edwards has got on here, I’m not really surprised Jones may wait a little bit to introduce players to the first team. He’s also let Edwards fight it out with Bauer for a starting place, and has plumped for Edwards so he’s clearly willing to give them a chance just when we have a little bit more freedom to play. I’d like to see Verlinden feature at home to a lowly Reading, than a tough away game at Derby for his debut. Good point as regards when to blood Verlinden. As regards the original poster - Lampard had little to lose in bringing on a youngster for his debut - Derby are hoping to seal a playoff place and 1 point at home to a team in the lower half was a poor return for them. Although we'd have loved three points, the point we had was worth hanging on to in the last 10 minutes - as we are not yet safe - although I think we will be. Last night's draw (and admittedly there have been too many of them) was still a step towards the points needed for safety. Ironically, if we had been 1 down in the last 10 minutes Jones might well have brought Verlinden on as he would have had nothing to lose by doing so.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 10:30:07 GMT
People need to bore off about this.
Jones is trying to rebuild a broken spirit and get the stench of failure out of the nostrils with somebody else’s team. That’s his priority.
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 10:34:19 GMT
People need to bore off about this. Jones is trying to rebuild a broken spirit and get the stench of failure out of the nostrils with somebody else’s team. That’s his priority. The season is over Rob, we are neither going up or going down What’s the point of bringing on Darren Fletcher and Ashley Williams who’ll be gone in May when we have Sorensen etc If they fail they fail but there’s more to be gained long term by trying And yes I’m 120% behind Jones but fuck me it’s frustrating mate
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 10:36:47 GMT
Verlinden for Ince would have been ideal for the last 20.
Ince stunk the place out yet again......
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2019 10:38:34 GMT
People need to bore off about this. Jones is trying to rebuild a broken spirit and get the stench of failure out of the nostrils with somebody else’s team. That’s his priority. The season is over Rob, we are neither going up or going down What’s the point of bringing on Darren Fletcher and Ashley Williams who’ll be gone in May when we have Sorensen etc If they fail they fail but there’s more to be gained long term by trying And yes I’m 120% behind Jones but fuck me it’s frustrating mate Absofuckinglutely. I'd be far more welcoming of Jone's quite crazy behaviour if he was actually giving some young players a chance. Is Jones seriously telling us that Ince offers something that Verlinden can't? What was the point in grinding out another 0-0 without having a shot on target? Seriously? If we got dicked 4-0 by playing a youngster or 3, so fucking what. It has to be better than watching that pile of shit suck the life out of supporting Stoke City. I'm sick to my back teeth of this team and the sooner the vast majority of them fuck off the better.
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 10:39:08 GMT
Verlinden for Ince would have been ideal for the last 20. Ince stunk the place out yet again...... Apart from Diouf which was out of his control those other two subs were utterly abysmal mate given we are trying to plan long term
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 14, 2019 10:40:39 GMT
Verlinden for Ince would have been ideal for the last 20. Ince stunk the place out yet again...... Like Dave said after the game last night Ince is playing hide and seek in games
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 10:41:56 GMT
Verlinden for Ince would have been ideal for the last 20. Ince stunk the place out yet again...... Like Dave said after the game last night Ince is playing hide and seek in games Yep. For an experienced Championship player it’s pathetic....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 10:44:12 GMT
People need to bore off about this. Jones is trying to rebuild a broken spirit and get the stench of failure out of the nostrils with somebody else’s team. That’s his priority. The season is over Rob, we are neither going up or going down What’s the point of bringing on Darren Fletcher and Ashley Williams who’ll be gone in May when we have Sorensen etc If they fail they fail but there’s more to be gained long term by trying And yes I’m 120% behind Jones but fuck me it’s frustrating mate He’s trying to foster a tougher mentality in a fragile, weak as piss group mate. Psychologically, grinding out a point at one of the better sides in the league was the priority.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2019 10:47:25 GMT
The season is over Rob, we are neither going up or going down What’s the point of bringing on Darren Fletcher and Ashley Williams who’ll be gone in May when we have Sorensen etc If they fail they fail but there’s more to be gained long term by trying And yes I’m 120% behind Jones but fuck me it’s frustrating mate He’s trying to foster a tougher mentality in a fragile, weak as piss group mate. Psychologically, grinding out a point at one of the better sides in the league was the priority. Well that isn't a priority that I agree with. Never have and never will. It wasn't acceptable for Rowett to take that approach and it isn't acceptable for Jones to take it either. It's pathetic. Completely, utterly and totally pathetic and it is inexcusable.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 14, 2019 10:51:34 GMT
Sorensen went off injured against WBA U23s last week, so is more than likely injured. With him out of the picture, the midfield cupboard is bare.
Would've liked to see Verlinden for 10 minutes for Ince.
Not entirely sure what we're learning about Ince and McClean. If they can't play No.10, they're finished here as of June.
And when they are playing so badly in their traditional roles, not sure why you wouldn't chuck Verlinden on for a bit.
But Jones obviously wants to bank a few points with experienced pros for morale.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 10:51:36 GMT
He’s trying to foster a tougher mentality in a fragile, weak as piss group mate. Psychologically, grinding out a point at one of the better sides in the league was the priority. Well that isn't a priority that I agree with. Never have and never will. It wasn't acceptable for Rowett to take that approach and it isn't acceptable for Jones to take it either. It's pathetic. Completely, utterly and totally pathetic and it is inexcusable. Do you think you might be overreacting just a touch? It wasn’t acceptable for Rowett because he had 20-odd games and 40-odd million quid.
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Post by lordb on Mar 14, 2019 10:54:20 GMT
Verlinden for Ince would have been ideal for the last 20. Ince stunk the place out yet again...... Apart from Diouf which was out of his control those other two subs were utterly abysmal mate given we are trying to plan long term No, Adam had to come off as well. Williams if Fletcher were the only like for like options for that sub available. He could have brought Verlinden on for Ince though. Jones record at Luton shows he's happy to promote young players,sure we will see Verlinden before May.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 10:55:08 GMT
It is very plain to see that Nathan Jones is in a no win situation. He is being slated for first of all creating a team that is becoming hard to beat! Had he yesterday put Verlinden on and we had lost to a late goal he would have been ridiculed by impatient fans who want results yesterday! Last night our manager was without the better options of Vokes, Etebo and Clucas. He was down to the bare bones in midfield! On top of this Charlie can really only last for about sixty minutes before his legs are shot! For what ever reason we have players such as Diouf, Wood, Berahino, McClean and Ince who have not reached the fans expectations in our disappointing decline from a good position in the Premiership. Add to this expensive signings that have failed completely to make any impact! I can understand why some fans are finding it very difficult to control their disappointment but they are wrong to criticise Jones. We are progressing and we have made great progress since he arrived. I have no doubt we will see Verlinden appear soon because Jones is not afraid to blood young players. When he has the opportunity again to shift certain players away and bring in further excellent signings in the mould of Batth and Vokes and use our talented young players such as Edwards, we will once again have a team to be proud of. Can you please give me a clue as to what progress is being made. Under Rowett we went on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. Under Jones we are seemingly going on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. The difference for me is that under Rowett I actually thought we could score goals, under Jones I reckon we could set a new record and not score for the rest of the season. How the fuck is that progress?
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 14, 2019 11:00:23 GMT
It is very plain to see that Nathan Jones is in a no win situation. He is being slated for first of all creating a team that is becoming hard to beat! Had he yesterday put Verlinden on and we had lost to a late goal he would have been ridiculed by impatient fans who want results yesterday! Last night our manager was without the better options of Vokes, Etebo and Clucas. He was down to the bare bones in midfield! On top of this Charlie can really only last for about sixty minutes before his legs are shot! For what ever reason we have players such as Diouf, Wood, Berahino, McClean and Ince who have not reached the fans expectations in our disappointing decline from a good position in the Premiership. Add to this expensive signings that have failed completely to make any impact! I can understand why some fans are finding it very difficult to control their disappointment but they are wrong to criticise Jones. We are progressing and we have made great progress since he arrived. I have no doubt we will see Verlinden appear soon because Jones is not afraid to blood young players. When he has the opportunity again to shift certain players away and bring in further excellent signings in the mould of Batth and Vokes and use our talented young players such as Edwards, we will once again have a team to be proud of. Can you please give me a clue as to what progress is being made. Under Rowett we went on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. Under Jones we are seemingly going on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. The difference for me is that under Rowett I actually thought we could score goals, under Jones I reckon we could set a new record and not score for the rest of the season. How the fuck is that progress? The difference is, Rowett spent a fortune to build that team! Jones hasn't.
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 14, 2019 11:00:59 GMT
It is very plain to see that Nathan Jones is in a no win situation. He is being slated for first of all creating a team that is becoming hard to beat! Had he yesterday put Verlinden on and we had lost to a late goal he would have been ridiculed by impatient fans who want results yesterday! Last night our manager was without the better options of Vokes, Etebo and Clucas. He was down to the bare bones in midfield! On top of this Charlie can really only last for about sixty minutes before his legs are shot! For what ever reason we have players such as Diouf, Wood, Berahino, McClean and Ince who have not reached the fans expectations in our disappointing decline from a good position in the Premiership. Add to this expensive signings that have failed completely to make any impact! I can understand why some fans are finding it very difficult to control their disappointment but they are wrong to criticise Jones. We are progressing and we have made great progress since he arrived. I have no doubt we will see Verlinden appear soon because Jones is not afraid to blood young players. When he has the opportunity again to shift certain players away and bring in further excellent signings in the mould of Batth and Vokes and use our talented young players such as Edwards, we will once again have a team to be proud of. Can you please give me a clue as to what progress is being made. Under Rowett we went on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. Under Jones we are seemingly going on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. The difference for me is that under Rowett I actually thought we could score goals, under Jones I reckon we could set a new record and not score for the rest of the season. How the fuck is that progress? I see that you have chosen a very suitable name for your posts!
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 11:01:02 GMT
It is very plain to see that Nathan Jones is in a no win situation. He is being slated for first of all creating a team that is becoming hard to beat! Had he yesterday put Verlinden on and we had lost to a late goal he would have been ridiculed by impatient fans who want results yesterday! Last night our manager was without the better options of Vokes, Etebo and Clucas. He was down to the bare bones in midfield! On top of this Charlie can really only last for about sixty minutes before his legs are shot! For what ever reason we have players such as Diouf, Wood, Berahino, McClean and Ince who have not reached the fans expectations in our disappointing decline from a good position in the Premiership. Add to this expensive signings that have failed completely to make any impact! I can understand why some fans are finding it very difficult to control their disappointment but they are wrong to criticise Jones. We are progressing and we have made great progress since he arrived. I have no doubt we will see Verlinden appear soon because Jones is not afraid to blood young players. When he has the opportunity again to shift certain players away and bring in further excellent signings in the mould of Batth and Vokes and use our talented young players such as Edwards, we will once again have a team to be proud of. Can you please give me a clue as to what progress is being made. Under Rowett we went on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. Under Jones we are seemingly going on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. The difference for me is that under Rowett I actually thought we could score goals, under Jones I reckon we could set a new record and not score for the rest of the season. How the fuck is that progress? I was a fan of Rowett but let’s not rewrite history here For Derby away last night there was Birmingham away, for QPR away there was Bolton away ....I could go on Jones has at least shored us up so if we score we’ve got half a chance
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2019 11:03:43 GMT
Well that isn't a priority that I agree with. Never have and never will. It wasn't acceptable for Rowett to take that approach and it isn't acceptable for Jones to take it either. It's pathetic. Completely, utterly and totally pathetic and it is inexcusable. Do you think you might be overreacting just a touch? It wasn’t acceptable for Rowett because he had 20-odd games and 40-odd million quid. I'm not over reacting at all. Not in the slightest. My reaction is nowhere near as bad as it should be given that I actually wasted my time going to watch that shit. What exactly is he learning for next season? This shit is no better than what Lambert or rowett produced. Fuck me. Last might made pulis seem adventurous.
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 11:04:59 GMT
The season is over Rob, we are neither going up or going down What’s the point of bringing on Darren Fletcher and Ashley Williams who’ll be gone in May when we have Sorensen etc If they fail they fail but there’s more to be gained long term by trying And yes I’m 120% behind Jones but fuck me it’s frustrating mate He’s trying to foster a tougher mentality in a fragile, weak as piss group mate. Psychologically, grinding out a point at one of the better sides in the league was the priority. He also said he wants a high pressing game mate Granted there’s only a few options he can choose to do that with until he gets his own players in but trying to grind out points with players who been an active part of our regular 2-3 goals conceded players is a bit far fetched They couldn’t do it then and Fletcher was dropped completely from the squad so what purpose last night in bringing him on?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:06:08 GMT
Can you please give me a clue as to what progress is being made. Under Rowett we went on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. Under Jones we are seemingly going on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. The difference for me is that under Rowett I actually thought we could score goals, under Jones I reckon we could set a new record and not score for the rest of the season. How the fuck is that progress? The difference is, Rowett spent a fortune to build that team! Jones hasn't. It's a shit excuse. He spent 10 million quid in the window and we are worse now than before. And I'm pretty certain when interviewed for the job he didn't say....."look this squad youve spent over a 100 million on is wank, so I'll play really dull horrible shite football this season of you just give me another 10 mill. In the summer we will then need to get rid of 15-20 players, I'll bring in 15-20 for another 100 mill and then the good times will roll."
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 14, 2019 11:10:01 GMT
It sums Jones up to a tee! Please read Silverdollar’s post. You may learn something!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:10:17 GMT
Can you please give me a clue as to what progress is being made. Under Rowett we went on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. Under Jones we are seemingly going on a long arduous, mind numbingly boring unbeaten run. The difference for me is that under Rowett I actually thought we could score goals, under Jones I reckon we could set a new record and not score for the rest of the season. How the fuck is that progress? I was a fan of Rowett but let’s not rewrite history here For Derby away last night there was Birmingham away, for QPR away there was Bolton away ....I could go on Jones has at least shored us up so if we score we’ve got half a chance Shored us up? It took two brilliant saves from Butland, the post and the cross bar to keep a clean sheet. There was also one shot second half that was a Nats dick away from going in with Butland rooted. Had any one of those 5 gone in that was that. Game over. I pay money to be entertained. Our second half performance was woeful.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2019 11:11:35 GMT
Not entirely sure introducing any young forward into our current set up would be doing them any favours but you have to hope they will be fully included in the next pre-season with a view to them having the energy and adaptability to fit into whatever scheme Jones has up his sleve. For the moment we are just in full on Lambert mode - which is a damning reflection on all concerned considering we have dropped a league.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 11:12:30 GMT
Do you think you might be overreacting just a touch? It wasn’t acceptable for Rowett because he had 20-odd games and 40-odd million quid. I'm not over reacting at all. Not in the slightest. My reaction is nowhere near as bad as it should be given that I actually wasted my time going to watch that shit. What exactly is he learning for next season? This shit is no better than what Lambert or rowett produced. Fuck me. Last might made pulis seem adventurous. If that's still the approach in a year's time or even six month's time I'll be worried. He himself has said it's not his plan though and not what he wants to see. Everything should be viewed in context, which for some reason remains on here a dirtier word than 'spunkblancmange'. The context is that he's been parachuted into a team on its arse mid-season and is gradually getting a bit more organisation and belief and grounding in that side of things.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:31:47 GMT
I was a fan of Rowett but let’s not rewrite history here For Derby away last night there was Birmingham away, for QPR away there was Bolton away ....I could go on Jones has at least shored us up so if we score we’ve got half a chance Shored us up? It took two brilliant saves from Butland, the post and the cross bar to keep a clean sheet. There was also one shot second half that was a Nats dick away from going in with Butland rooted. Had any one of those 5 gone in that was that. Game over. I pay money to be entertained. Our second half performance was woeful. We’ve conceded 2 goals in 6 games.....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2019 11:34:11 GMT
I'm not over reacting at all. Not in the slightest. My reaction is nowhere near as bad as it should be given that I actually wasted my time going to watch that shit. What exactly is he learning for next season? This shit is no better than what Lambert or rowett produced. Fuck me. Last might made pulis seem adventurous. If that's still the approach in a year's time or even six month's time I'll be worried. He himself has said it's not his plan though and not what he wants to see. Everything should be viewed in context, which for some reason remains on here a dirtier word than 'spunkblancmange'. The context is that he's been parachuted into a team on its arse mid-season and is gradually getting a bit more organisation and belief and grounding in that side of things. If it's not his plan why bother setting up that way. If he wants to play football and play on front foot, pick some footballers who can actually play with a modicum of talent. Oh...and if he could stop celebrating a 0-0 draw like we've won the cup final, it would be most appreciated. It's small time and its embarrassing. Clap the support by way of appreciation then fuck off.
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