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Post by pez75 on Mar 27, 2019 13:29:45 GMT
Give him a break, I am not saying he does not have bad games, but as the only forward passer in the team with absolute garbage in front of him, its safe to say that his completion rate is never going to be great... I'm not understanding the argument. When assessing the forwards the general consensus is that the forwards are struggling because of a lack of quality from midfield. We're now hearing/reading that Adam's completion rate is low because the forwards that crave quality service are infact garbage and are directly affecting the service they get? I'm missing something here. Not sure about consensus, but thats not my argument. The forwards are struggling because they are shit.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 27, 2019 13:51:12 GMT
A break? For completing 4/20 forward passes against Derby and 7/30 against QPR? For comparison, sideways Woods completed 11/20 forward passes against Derby. (Source: Statszone) Oh please, its hard to ignore stats but Woods!? If Charlie wanted to impress you lot he could just shuffle the ball 5 yrds all game - yay! He is a quarterback and will always look to instigate an attack. That may come to nothing and if he doesnt cut the mustard a la Derby then fine, drop him, hound him out of the club if you wish - but I would rather watch that than Woods, Whelan, a.n.other just boring us to death. Charlie will probably go in the summer anyway as his best days are behind him, but I personally hope he gets a few more games between now and then. I'm not saying I'm impressed by Woods though, what I'm saying is when they're contributing the same amount of successful long forward passes in a game (1 each against Derby) I'd rather have someone who keeps the ball than someone who loses it because games these days are won and lost in the centre of the park. Especially given how Jones wants to play, which is recycling the ball, overloading the centre and dishing it off out wide. You can't get that overload if you don't keep the ball. If you look at Adam's performances since Leeds, they have been abysmal, probably hindered by a lack of match sharpness and his age but his style of play is completely unsuited to the eventual system Jones wants to impose here.
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 27, 2019 13:56:02 GMT
I've been as fierce a critic of Fat Charlie as the next man (it genuinely baffles me that you could have all that talent and yet not the self discipline to pass a pie shop for e.g.) but ... it's all about what the options are.
We crave & need the forward-looking attitude he (seemingly alone) can provide. Agreed.
However, if there's a youth / academy product or a ready made import that we can ship in, in the Summer for as good as, or a lesser deal than CA is on, then do it, no question.
If not and we can't pinpoint a decent option (& in which case, both the academy and transfer functions respectively need to answer some serious questions) then we need to offer a contract and conditions along the lines that Lakeland Potter cites further up.
This him being a 'good egg' business (possible coach etc) seems fine at face value but I would still have a lingering doubt about his bleating about the scumbags in the dressing room on the one hand and, more importantly, his lack of 'senior pro' action to reel it in / quash it (in other words, 'leadership') on the other.
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Mar 27, 2019 14:47:38 GMT
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 27, 2019 14:47:38 GMT
If Charlie Adam were to be offered a new contract that would be a very very poor decision Indeed, he disrupts the sideways, sideways, backwards, sideways rhythm of this side. You’d think that we would aspire to be better than we have been this season though. The way we play atm is clearly not how NJ wants to play and charlie doesn’t fit into an athletic team ethos. Also he begins to cheat once his ‘engine’ has gone and that will cost us, so in short it would still be very very very poor judgment to offer him a new contract.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2019 15:07:08 GMT
Indeed, he disrupts the sideways, sideways, backwards, sideways rhythm of this side. You’d think that we would aspire to be better than we have been this season though. The way we play atm is clearly not how NJ wants to play and charlie doesn’t fit into an athletic team ethos. Also he begins to cheat once his ‘engine’ has gone and that will cost us, so in short it would still be very very very poor judgment to offer him a new contract. I'm guessing we'll try and offer a year and he'll turn it down.
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Post by deadwait on Mar 27, 2019 16:24:50 GMT
I keep hearing how Charlie Adam does not fit in with the way NJ wants to play.
Can someone tell me which player in our squad is adapting to the way the manager wants?
Actually my own preference is we keep playing Charlie and get rid of Jones.
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Mar 27, 2019 17:06:57 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 27, 2019 17:06:57 GMT
I keep hearing how Charlie Adam does not fit in with the way NJ wants to play. Can someone tell me which player in our squad is adapting to the way the manager wants? Actually my own preference is we keep playing Charlie and get rid of Jones. Butland 🤣
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 27, 2019 17:10:49 GMT
You’d think that we would aspire to be better than we have been this season though. The way we play atm is clearly not how NJ wants to play and charlie doesn’t fit into an athletic team ethos. Also he begins to cheat once his ‘engine’ has gone and that will cost us, so in short it would still be very very very poor judgment to offer him a new contract. I'm guessing we'll try and offer a year and he'll turn it down. I wouldn't offer him a year, just in case he accepts it. I like Charlie but really don't want to see him in the team next season.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 27, 2019 19:13:31 GMT
We look better with him on the pitch than off the pitch. Charlie is really a league above the rest of our midfielders when it comes to passing and reading the game in my opinion. He also has a really good shot which again is a class above the others. He actually is a bloody good footballer, but he is no spring chicken any more.
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Mar 27, 2019 19:45:44 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Mar 27, 2019 19:45:44 GMT
I keep hearing how Charlie Adam does not fit in with the way NJ wants to play. Can someone tell me which player in our squad is adapting to the way the manager wants? Actually my own preference is we keep playing Charlie and get rid of Jones. Shut up you tart
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Mar 27, 2019 21:12:00 GMT
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 27, 2019 21:12:00 GMT
I keep hearing how Charlie Adam does not fit in with the way NJ wants to play. Can someone tell me which player in our squad is adapting to the way the manager wants? Actually my own preference is we keep playing Charlie and get rid of Jones. Poor take
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Mar 27, 2019 21:34:11 GMT
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 27, 2019 21:34:11 GMT
We look better with him on the pitch than off the pitch. Charlie is really a league above the rest of our midfielders when it comes to passing and reading the game in my opinion. He also has a really good shot which again is a class above the others. He actually is a bloody good footballer, but he is no spring chicken any more. He does offer a good range of passing but that good range of passing is only successful during the first 10 minutes of the game because after that he is tired. When he gets tired he cheats defensively and allows players to go past him without really trying and is very half arsed in his approach
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 27, 2019 22:34:53 GMT
He should have had his contract ripped up time ago.
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Post by ursems2boots on Mar 27, 2019 22:46:28 GMT
Deserves an offer, he’s the only player in our midfield that has a spark of creativity.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2019 22:54:10 GMT
Thank fuck somebody else has seen this. I was wondering what I was reading for a minute here, he was utter garbage against Derby, he had one decent game against Leeds! That's one good game in about three years - he's got to go! The wages can be better used elsewhere with young hungry players, athletic ones as NJ keeps saying. I get that Charlie COULD be seen as a good option at the moment with this squad, but surely when new faces come in he just falls even further down the pecking order. EDIT - To address somebody further up: I'd rather see a sideways pass than a pass that goes out of play 90% of the time. The best passer at the club. Yeah lets get Woodsy back in. I miss his attacking intent...
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Mar 28, 2019 0:39:40 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 28, 2019 0:39:40 GMT
We look better with him on the pitch than off the pitch. Charlie is really a league above the rest of our midfielders when it comes to passing and reading the game in my opinion. He also has a really good shot which again is a class above the others. He actually is a bloody good footballer, but he is no spring chicken any more. He’s scored 2 goals in 66 games. How is his shooting anywhere near a league above anyone else in the squad?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 28, 2019 1:28:36 GMT
We look better with him on the pitch than off the pitch. Charlie is really a league above the rest of our midfielders when it comes to passing and reading the game in my opinion. He also has a really good shot which again is a class above the others. He actually is a bloody good footballer, but he is no spring chicken any more. He’s scored 2 goals in 66 games. How is his shooting anywhere near a league above anyone else in the squad? More than Saido.
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Mar 28, 2019 2:41:15 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 28, 2019 2:41:15 GMT
He’s scored 2 goals in 66 games. How is his shooting anywhere near a league above anyone else in the squad? More than Saido. As in kilo's?😁
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 28, 2019 8:48:42 GMT
I hope this summer he finally leaves
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Mar 28, 2019 8:58:26 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 28, 2019 8:58:26 GMT
He’s scored 2 goals in 66 games. How is his shooting anywhere near a league above anyone else in the squad? More than Saido. It’s actually 1 fewer than Saido.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 28, 2019 9:09:15 GMT
I keep hearing how Charlie Adam does not fit in with the way NJ wants to play. Can someone tell me which player in our squad is adapting to the way the manager wants? Actually my own preference is we keep playing Charlie and get rid of Jones. Shit bait.
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Mar 28, 2019 16:08:38 GMT
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 28, 2019 16:08:38 GMT
The best passer at the club. Yeah lets get Woodsy back in. I miss his attacking intent... [br The fact of the matter is that only one of our current midfielders are suited to jones’ style - etebo. Judging by his previous job, he has athletic midfielders that are able to travel with the ball and they are backed up by a defensive minded player in front of the defence. Adam won’t be able to play next year. Jones will not accept his level of fitness as well as his lazy defensive contribution. So my point is that charlie adam should definitely not be offered a contract.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 28, 2019 16:53:40 GMT
Yeah lets get Woodsy back in. I miss his attacking intent... [br The fact of the matter is that only one of our current midfielders are suited to jones’ style - etebo. Judging by his previous job, he has athletic midfielders that are able to travel with the ball and they are backed up by a defensive minded player in front of the defence. Adam won’t be able to play next year. Jones will not accept his level of fitness as well as his lazy defensive contribution. So my point is that charlie adam should definitely not be offered a contract. Well Woods' defensive contribution makes Charlie look like Kante, so lets hope he gets someone else in then?
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Mar 28, 2019 17:17:37 GMT
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 28, 2019 17:17:37 GMT
[br The fact of the matter is that only one of our current midfielders are suited to jones’ style - etebo. Judging by his previous job, he has athletic midfielders that are able to travel with the ball and they are backed up by a defensive minded player in front of the defence. Adam won’t be able to play next year. Jones will not accept his level of fitness as well as his lazy defensive contribution. So my point is that charlie adam should definitely not be offered a contract. Well Woods' defensive contribution makes Charlie look like Kante, so lets hope he gets someone else in then? I hope we sort the midfield out but Charlie adam shouldn’t even be in the same sentence as kante😂Not in any context
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