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Post by bigcashprizes on Mar 2, 2019 22:11:24 GMT
Fair point. But he must’ve been an untried youth at Dundee at some point. I don’t think playmakers are as rare as you suggest though. Maybe we won’t need such a player going forward, but we’ve looked lots better this season when Charles has been pinging it around. Depends how Nathan takes the team I think in a diamond you’re not supposed to need that and you’re right there are lots of playmakers like that but that range is special. Who knows maybe we’ll find a gem but for now let’s be grateful for what we have Defo! I’ve always loved Charlie 😊
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 26, 2019 20:14:08 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 26, 2019 20:29:20 GMT
“Sources close to Adam say he wouldn’t jump at a new contract”
I would have thought so, Charlie jumping can’t be safe surely?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 26, 2019 20:56:58 GMT
He's still got class at this level, if he took fitness seriously he would be a serious player in this division
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 26, 2019 22:16:42 GMT
If Charlie Adam were to be offered a new contract that would be a very very poor decision
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 22:22:24 GMT
I'd give it him, occasional cameos and he seems great with the youth and probably one of the better influences (outside the canteen!).
Would offer lower wages than he's on now mind.
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 26, 2019 22:33:57 GMT
If we are pondering over whether or not to give Charlie a contract we are in trouble. No problem with Charlie but Stoke City what are you doing for the future
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Post by apb1 on Mar 27, 2019 9:21:32 GMT
He could be our Howard Kendall next season. Worth offering him player-coach role of some kind? Keep. I never realised HK played 40 games in the promotion year at the age of 32-33. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Kendall
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2019 9:27:58 GMT
If Charlie Adam were to be offered a new contract that would be a very very poor decision Indeed, he disrupts the sideways, sideways, backwards, sideways rhythm of this side.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 27, 2019 9:33:07 GMT
If Charlie Adam were to be offered a new contract that would be a very very poor decision Indeed, he disrupts the sideways, sideways, backwards, sideways rhythm of this side. And he's never had a long throw either.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 27, 2019 10:24:22 GMT
For me, it depends entirely on what basis he is offered a contract. If he is told that Jones regards him as a valuable squad player who will probably start a few games but will more often start on the bench then I have no problem with that. Providing his contract reflects the fact that he will not often start games and will not, therefore, be one of the best paid players. Every team needs a few potential game changers on the bench and Charlie fits the bill. I'd also like any contract to include a provision that he plays some games at U23 level and coaches the younger players.
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 27, 2019 10:26:03 GMT
No question he MUST be given a new contract, he’s the only decent footballer in the club
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 27, 2019 10:28:01 GMT
Didn’t he show an improvement last time a possible contract was up for grabs? For me it’s all about motivation....to play better when it’s in the offing when the rest of the time it’s back to pie eating, then I think we can do better. If it’s for low money and a pay as you play then he’s a useful addition, otherwise good luck Charlie and thank you.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 27, 2019 10:29:08 GMT
No question he MUST be given a new contract, he’s the only decent footballer in the club He's literally been shite or injured since Leeds at home. His last two games he completed about 20 of 80 attempted passes.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 27, 2019 10:35:47 GMT
No question he MUST be given a new contract, he’s the only decent footballer in the club He's literally been shite or injured since Leeds at home. His last two games he completed about 20 of 80 attempted passes. Thank fuck somebody else has seen this. I was wondering what I was reading for a minute here, he was utter garbage against Derby, he had one decent game against Leeds! That's one good game in about three years - he's got to go! The wages can be better used elsewhere with young hungry players, athletic ones as NJ keeps saying. I get that Charlie COULD be seen as a good option at the moment with this squad, but surely when new faces come in he just falls even further down the pecking order. EDIT - To address somebody further up: I'd rather see a sideways pass than a pass that goes out of play 90% of the time.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 27, 2019 10:40:13 GMT
He's literally been shite or injured since Leeds at home. His last two games he completed about 20 of 80 attempted passes. Thank fuck somebody else has seen this. I was wondering what I was reading for a minute here, he was utter garbage against Derby, he had one decent game against Leeds! That's one good game in about three years - he's got to go! The wages can be better used elsewhere with young hungry players, athletic ones as NJ keeps saying. I get that Charlie COULD be seen as a good option at the moment with this squad, but surely when new faces come in he just falls even further down the pecking order. EDIT - To address somebody further up: I'd rather see a sideways pass than a pass that goes out of play 90% of the time. What's the alternative at the moment though.....Woods??? Seriously hope not!!!
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 27, 2019 10:42:03 GMT
Thank fuck somebody else has seen this. I was wondering what I was reading for a minute here, he was utter garbage against Derby, he had one decent game against Leeds! That's one good game in about three years - he's got to go! The wages can be better used elsewhere with young hungry players, athletic ones as NJ keeps saying. I get that Charlie COULD be seen as a good option at the moment with this squad, but surely when new faces come in he just falls even further down the pecking order. EDIT - To address somebody further up: I'd rather see a sideways pass than a pass that goes out of play 90% of the time. What's the alternative at the moment though.....Woods??? Seriously hope not!!! Well yeah, that's the problem. I can understand him being around the squad this season but next season we need to actually address our problems IMO, rather than patch them up for another year.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 27, 2019 10:42:30 GMT
He's literally been shite or injured since Leeds at home. His last two games he completed about 20 of 80 attempted passes. Thank fuck somebody else has seen this. I was wondering what I was reading for a minute here, he was utter garbage against Derby, he had one decent game against Leeds! That's one good game in about three years - he's got to go! The wages can be better used elsewhere with young hungry players, athletic ones as NJ keeps saying. I get that Charlie COULD be seen as a good option at the moment with this squad, but surely when new faces come in he just falls even further down the pecking order. EDIT - To address somebody further up: I'd rather see a sideways pass than a pass that goes out of play 90% of the time. The best passer at the club.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 27, 2019 10:45:08 GMT
Arguably even worse than his Derby display.
(click to zoom)
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 27, 2019 10:55:52 GMT
EDIT - To address somebody further up: I'd rather see a sideways pass than a pass that goes out of play 90% of the time. As long as the ball isn't given away in a dangerous position, I'd rather see those one or two exciting passes a game that come off. Not that I can remember one in the Derby match, mind, though Adam has provided more than a ray of light at times this season.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 27, 2019 11:05:19 GMT
Give him a break, I am not saying he does not have bad games, but as the only forward passer in the team with absolute garbage in front of him, its safe to say that his completion rate is never going to be great...
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 27, 2019 11:23:53 GMT
Charlie, God love him, should not be part of our plans for next season. Crouchie moving on was the first step in moving the old guard on. Jones will be rebuilding and Charlie isn't going to be the foundation of any side at his age. Blackpool may beckon for a swansong or he goes to Scotland.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 27, 2019 12:10:30 GMT
Give him a break, I am not saying he does not have bad games, but as the only forward passer in the team with absolute garbage in front of him, its safe to say that his completion rate is never going to be great... A break? For completing 4/20 forward passes against Derby and 7/30 against QPR? For comparison, sideways Woods completed 11/20 forward passes against Derby. (Source: Statszone)
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Post by adi on Mar 27, 2019 12:12:13 GMT
No question he MUST be given a new contract, he’s the only decent footballer in the club He's literally been shite or injured since Leeds at home. His last two games he completed about 20 of 80 attempted passes. Had to check, fuck me his passing accuracy has been abject!!!
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Post by kronkie on Mar 27, 2019 12:21:56 GMT
As far as I am concerned he cost us our premiership status. The 2 games against Brighton with the penalty miss and the way he strolled up for the rebound which my granny in her wheelchair could have got there quicker and scored and his sending off against Everton finished him with me. Bye bye Chaz.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 27, 2019 12:37:46 GMT
Give him a break, I am not saying he does not have bad games, but as the only forward passer in the team with absolute garbage in front of him, its safe to say that his completion rate is never going to be great... He gets a break most weeks as he struggles to play two games in a week and can't complete 90 minutes - two more reasons to let him go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 12:51:24 GMT
Give him a break, I am not saying he does not have bad games, but as the only forward passer in the team with absolute garbage in front of him, its safe to say that his completion rate is never going to be great... I'm not understanding the argument. When assessing the forwards the general consensus is that the forwards are struggling because of a lack of quality from midfield. We're now hearing/reading that Adam's completion rate is low because the forwards that crave quality service are infact garbage and are directly affecting the service they get? I'm missing something here.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 27, 2019 12:56:59 GMT
Every time a player like Charlie gets an extension it reduces the chances of a youth player getting experience and potentially demonstrating they are good enough. At this level they have a chance.
if they stay; Sorensen, Shenton, Waddington, Jarvis and Dunwoody should be good for 5-10 games a season between them. I appreciate its most likely only Sorensen who is ready now.
Removing his wages will help us to get closer to where we need to financially, so whilst he's been an excellent servant I'd hope we get rid, even if we can't get a first team replacement.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 27, 2019 13:25:45 GMT
Right so we’re all in agreement that our expansive deadwood needs shifting, but then when we have the perfect opportunity to shift one of the worst offenders all of a sudden he should get an extension?
Why? Because he can hit a long pass? Fucking yahoo.
His unprofessionalism and fitness has cost us numerous times, he has 1 good game in 10 before either getting suspended or completely disappearing again to whore himself about on the radio.
A big earner who is only deteriorating, needs to be shifted.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 27, 2019 13:27:06 GMT
Give him a break, I am not saying he does not have bad games, but as the only forward passer in the team with absolute garbage in front of him, its safe to say that his completion rate is never going to be great... A break? For completing 4/20 forward passes against Derby and 7/30 against QPR? For comparison, sideways Woods completed 11/20 forward passes against Derby. (Source: Statszone) Oh please, its hard to ignore stats but Woods!? If Charlie wanted to impress you lot he could just shuffle the ball 5 yrds all game - yay! He is a quarterback and will always look to instigate an attack. That may come to nothing and if he doesnt cut the mustard a la Derby then fine, drop him, hound him out of the club if you wish - but I would rather watch that than Woods, Whelan, a.n.other just boring us to death. Charlie will probably go in the summer anyway as his best days are behind him, but I personally hope he gets a few more games between now and then.
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