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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 15:02:42 GMT
He is not anti semitic its something the nazi minister for propaganda would say and its all a black op, christ on a bike. I have heard of fighting fire with fire but never fighting allegations of anti semitism with anti semitism. I've never heard your views on the Joan Ryan footage, fyd. Anything to see here or just a poor misunderstood Labour Friend of Israel? A labour friend of israel speaking to someone from israel trying to blag a free trip. If there was anything there why werent the police involved or the labour party kick her out ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 15:04:41 GMT
The Conservative Party are now guaranteed to win the next 3 general elections. Well done Chuka. I've met him on numerous occasions. Granted the last time was about 8 years ago - he's a friend of some of my uni friends. This is all about him and nothing else. He was so power hungry it was bordering on insane. This is all about him and his personal ambitions without a doubt.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 15:22:29 GMT
Interesting to see if his goes anywhere, although I don't suppose it will. They seem like the more sane ones from both sides of the divide. It leaves the 2 main stream parties of fae left and hatd right looking even more like the funny farm than they were already. It's funny how people see things differently Gods. As much as anything I see the group as having their self interest at heart and I agree with Douglas....at least he stood for re-election And Daniel It's basically about Brexit. They have bitched about it from day one, wanting a "People's Vote" and because May hasn't budged, they have taken their ball home. Same goes for the Labour rebels, using other reasons for leaving their party. There is already a party for both groups ; the Liberal Democrats. Get yer sandals on and fuck off, the lot of you.
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Post by yeokel on Feb 20, 2019 15:30:34 GMT
The Conservative Party are now guaranteed to win the next 3 general elections. Well done Chuka. I've met him on numerous occasions. Granted the last time was about 8 years ago - he's a friend of some of my uni friends. This is all about him and nothing else. He was so power hungry it was bordering on insane. This is all about him and his personal ambitions without a doubt. I don't think there's many of us who ever doubted that.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2019 15:34:29 GMT
It's a sign of desperate times if you're looking to George Galloway for support. Why. Because he tells the truth? Was only ever 100% correct about the Iraq War and was only expelled from the Labour Party for calling out the leadership and their allies for the crimes for which we are all still paying. The above is spot on if you watched the sneering Murdoch sycophant conducting the interview he couldn't handle it. Why are people so blind as to what is going on here? This doesn't sterengthen the cause against anti-Semitism it weakens it massively. Give me a 100 "Galloway's" from both sides of the Political divide than Blair like Charlatans we have polluting Politics right now. Do you agree with Georges Brexit views ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 15:43:15 GMT
Why. Because he tells the truth? Was only ever 100% correct about the Iraq War and was only expelled from the Labour Party for calling out the leadership and their allies for the crimes for which we are all still paying. The above is spot on if you watched the sneering Murdoch sycophant conducting the interview he couldn't handle it. Why are people so blind as to what is going on here? This doesn't sterengthen the cause against anti-Semitism it weakens it massively. Give me a 100 "Galloway's" from both sides of the Political divide than Blair like Charlatans we have polluting Politics right now. Do you agree with Georges Brexit views ? Not as strongly, (it really isn't a matter of life or death for me as it is for some) but broadly yes. The vision of an ERG Brexit though sends shivers down my spine. Completely against a second vote but not against extending A50 on the basis of the negligence of the people leading the negotiations so far.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 16:07:02 GMT
I've never heard your views on the Joan Ryan footage, fyd. Anything to see here or just a poor misunderstood Labour Friend of Israel? A labour friend of israel speaking to someone from israel trying to blag a free trip. If there was anything there why werent the police involved or the labour party kick her out ? Imagine if it was a different Labour Politician talking to a Palestinian operative about money for subverting the democratic process. Perhaps one with a beard and an allotment. It's not hard to see what's at play here if you open your eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:40:04 GMT
Talking of George, it would be nice to have someone back in mainstream Politics to snap the scurrilous deceit currently at play He is not anti semitic its something the nazi minister for propaganda would say and its all a black op, christ on a bike. I have heard of fighting fire with fire but never fighting allegations of anti semitism with anti semitism. Calling someone anti-semitic is just the go to response for anyone wanting to allow Israel to do what they want. I don't hate Jews but also I don't want Israel to keep bombing Palestinian children either. I think that probably means I'm anti-semitic although that's not at all anti-semitic.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 16:40:35 GMT
You tell 'em Ang, duck.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 16:50:07 GMT
Watching PMQs got me thinking that I can't stand most politicians from all sides. They make a career out of pretending to care about ordinary people.
Emily Thornberry sums them up perfectly. Faux outrage at job losses. Too bad she has already shown her true colours and disdain for the average Joe.
It's taken me years, but I have finally seen through the lot of them.
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2019 16:51:31 GMT
She didnt clear off then
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 17:02:45 GMT
She didnt clear off then Owned in the fact that he is completely misinformed as to the role of an MP in the UK?
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Post by felonious on Feb 20, 2019 17:27:11 GMT
Talking of George, it would be nice to have someone back in mainstream Politics to snap the scurrilous deceit currently at play I must admit I didn't realise that they'd put Labour MPs in charge of black ops.
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Post by felonious on Feb 20, 2019 17:29:53 GMT
I joined the party after spending 24 years in the NHS as a front-line doctor wanting to make a difference,” she says. She joined a tolerant, modern open-hearted Conservative party, which has since disappeared, says Wollaston. Yet she'd still be there if the government wasn't committed to honouring the Brexit vote
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Post by felonious on Feb 20, 2019 17:35:54 GMT
Soubry says you don’t join a political party to fight it. “The battle is over and the other side has won,” she says. “The right wing, the hard line anti-EU awkward squad are running the Conservative from top to toe.” She says that many of her friends in the party know “in their heads and in their hearts that it’s over”. “Brexit now defines the Conservative party.” She says her colleagues are being hounded in their constituency parties by infiltrators, even though they are supporting the prime minister’s deal. “It’s ironic that Conservatives observe it and condemn it in the Labour party, but it is happening in their own party.” 53.4% of English voters voted to leave the EU. You're always arguing that it was the Tories who voted for it so presumably you think that the % in Tory seats is well over 53.4%. They're hardly hounding their MPs by letting them know that it's unacceptable not to follow through on a manifesto promise. Anything that comes out of Soubry's mouth is driven by her unnatural love of all things EU.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 17:43:06 GMT
Soubry says you don’t join a political party to fight it. “The battle is over and the other side has won,” she says. “The right wing, the hard line anti-EU awkward squad are running the Conservative from top to toe.” She says that many of her friends in the party know “in their heads and in their hearts that it’s over”. “Brexit now defines the Conservative party.” She says her colleagues are being hounded in their constituency parties by infiltrators, even though they are supporting the prime minister’s deal. “It’s ironic that Conservatives observe it and condemn it in the Labour party, but it is happening in their own party.” 53.4% of English voters voted to leave the EU. You're always arguing that it was the Tories who voted for it so presumably you think that the % in Tory seats is well over 53.4%. They're hardly hounding their MPs by letting them know that it's unacceptable not to follow through on a manifesto promise. Anything that comes out of Soubry's mouth is driven by her unnatural love of all things EU.
I was making no comment at all mate just posting the reasoning given by the Heavenly Eleven! Or is it the 12 Apostles now. I'm losing track!
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Post by felonious on Feb 20, 2019 17:44:59 GMT
I can only put myself in their shoes. If I was of the centre-left I'd be glad to not be welcoming Degsy Hatton back in to the fold and if I was centre-right I wouldn't want anything to do with the UKIP wing of the Tories. I'm not sure this is it but somewhere out there is space for a centre ground, liberal, pro-business, pro-Europe, pro-equal rights, pro-planet, modernist party, I'm certain of it. And it's not Corbyn's mob and it's not May and the ERG. I dont know which is worse. for me , I'm very proud Europe but anti EU , do I know where they are coming from. In my opinion, culturally and democratically the EU has done harm to Europe. Economically in the long/ medium term I don't think it will do the UK any favours...I don't think it's really working now for the Greek, Italian and Spanish young people It's so sad that people are confused between pro Europe and pro EU despite all the discussion on the subject. If I was a cynic I'd think it was deliberate.
You forgot Portugal, Ireland and now France and it's been a great experience for Ukraine as well.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 20, 2019 17:57:45 GMT
for me , I'm very proud Europe but anti EU , do I know where they are coming from. In my opinion, culturally and democratically the EU has done harm to Europe. Economically in the long/ medium term I don't think it will do the UK any favours...I don't think it's really working now for the Greek, Italian and Spanish young people It's so sad that people are confused between pro Europe and pro EU despite all the discussion on the subject. If I was a cynic I'd think it was deliberate.
You forgot Portugal, Ireland and now France and it's been a great experience for Ukraine as well.
And talking about the Ukraine...... ( Verhostadt has his sights on Europe up to the Volga)
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Post by starkiller on Feb 20, 2019 18:04:50 GMT
Remoaner losers' party.
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Post by felonious on Feb 20, 2019 18:09:52 GMT
It's so sad that people are confused between pro Europe and pro EU despite all the discussion on the subject. If I was a cynic I'd think it was deliberate.
You forgot Portugal, Ireland and now France and it's been a great experience for Ukraine as well.
And talking about the Ukraine...... ( Verhostadt has his sights on Europe up to the Volga) That is so irresponsible. Absolutely no diplomacy or understanding of the current crisis between the Ukraine and Russia. It's empire building at it's worst and this is the organisation that's brought peace to Europe? Would you let these idiots have their own army?
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Post by felonious on Feb 20, 2019 18:17:31 GMT
53.4% of English voters voted to leave the EU. You're always arguing that it was the Tories who voted for it so presumably you think that the % in Tory seats is well over 53.4%. They're hardly hounding their MPs by letting them know that it's unacceptable not to follow through on a manifesto promise. Anything that comes out of Soubry's mouth is driven by her unnatural love of all things EU.
I was making no comment at all mate just posting the reasoning given by the Heavenly Eleven! Or is it the 12 Apostles now. I'm losing track! The reasoning is that after two years they don't believe they've been able to frustrate the Brexit vote despite the fact that both parties had increased votes based on promising to honour the referendum. It's been said a few times that if this new party consisted of Remainers and Brexiteers then there would be some truth but as we know it's just one big lie.
They know what's best for England but they're not quite confident enough to test that out with a referendum. Contrast that with the Conservative brexiteers who resigned from their parties instead of being absolutely shameless.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 20, 2019 18:27:30 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 20, 2019 18:55:45 GMT
As most were going to be deselected The life rafters group
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 19:41:41 GMT
A labour friend of israel speaking to someone from israel trying to blag a free trip. If there was anything there why werent the police involved or the labour party kick her out ? Imagine if it was a different Labour Politician talking to a Palestinian operative about money for subverting the democratic process. Perhaps one with a beard and an allotment. It's not hard to see what's at play here if you open your eyes. Yeah cos Israel have Jezza's mates firing rockets at kids nurseries but instead of worrying about that they are funding a black ops against racist grandpa by publishing things he has done and said over the course of 30 odd years, you are verging on tinfoil territory momo.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 19:47:38 GMT
He is not anti semitic its something the nazi minister for propaganda would say and its all a black op, christ on a bike. I have heard of fighting fire with fire but never fighting allegations of anti semitism with anti semitism. Calling someone anti-semitic is just the go to response for anyone wanting to allow Israel to do what they want. I don't hate Jews but also I don't want Israel to keep bombing Palestinian children either. I think that probably means I'm anti-semitic although that's not at all anti-semitic. What about Palestinians firing rockets at Israeli nurseries, you ok with that ? You actually are probably anti semitic by the way if you first association on hearing of british jews being racially abused is to start wittering on about Israel, when you hear of muslims being racially abused do you start wittering on about Saudi Arabia or ISIS blowing up kids at concerts, I am guessing not because you can probably recognise that as being racism.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 19:54:35 GMT
Imagine if it was a different Labour Politician talking to a Palestinian operative about money for subverting the democratic process. Perhaps one with a beard and an allotment. It's not hard to see what's at play here if you open your eyes. Yeah cos Israel have Jezza's mates firing rockets at kids nurseries but instead of worrying about that they are funding a black ops against racist grandpa by publishing things he has done and said over the course of 30 odd years, you are verging on tinfoil territory momo. True it's a full time job running a baby killing, barbaric, apartheid state. Makes it easier if you have a cabal of British MP's on the payroll mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:57:04 GMT
Calling someone anti-semitic is just the go to response for anyone wanting to allow Israel to do what they want. I don't hate Jews but also I don't want Israel to keep bombing Palestinian children either. I think that probably means I'm anti-semitic although that's not at all anti-semitic. What about Palestinians firing rockets at Israeli nurseries, you ok with that ? You actually are probably anti semitic by the way if you first association on hearing of british jews being racially abused is to start wittering on about Israel, when you hear of muslims being racially abused do you start wittering on about Saudi Arabia or ISIS blowing up kids at concerts, I am guessing not because you can probably recognise that as being racism. Of course it’s not the first association with British Jews being racially abused. You’ve literally made my point for me by saying I’m anti-Semitic because I said something anti Israel. At no point did I say anything to defend Palestine either but you have it right there in your post the point I was trying to make: Anti-Semitic is something now just thrown at someone who say something negative about Israel’s foreign policy.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 21:04:52 GMT
What about Palestinians firing rockets at Israeli nurseries, you ok with that ? You actually are probably anti semitic by the way if you first association on hearing of british jews being racially abused is to start wittering on about Israel, when you hear of muslims being racially abused do you start wittering on about Saudi Arabia or ISIS blowing up kids at concerts, I am guessing not because you can probably recognise that as being racism. Of course it’s the first association with British Jews being racially abused. You’ve literally made my point for me by saying I’m anti-Semitic because I said something anti Israel. At no point did I say anything to defend Palestine either but you have it right there in your post the point I was trying to make: Anti-Semitic is something now just thrown at someone who say something negative about Israel’s foreign policy. No its anti semitic because you want to talk about israel in response to british jews being racially abused, like I say when someone mentions british muslims being racially abused do you start to talk about saudi arabia or ISIS ? Its actually quite easy to say something negative about israel without being a thick racist twat.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 21:13:37 GMT
Yeah cos Israel have Jezza's mates firing rockets at kids nurseries but instead of worrying about that they are funding a black ops against racist grandpa by publishing things he has done and said over the course of 30 odd years, you are verging on tinfoil territory momo. True it's a full time job running a baby killing, barbaric, apartheid state. Makes it easier if you have a cabal of British MP's on the payroll mind. Apartheid ? There are 400 mosques in Israel, 73 in Jeruslem. In 1988 there were only 80 mosques. The isreali government pays grants to 300 imams doesnt sound much like apartheid too me. Nice use of well known anti semitic trope to end with though momo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:18:42 GMT
Of course it’s not the first association with British Jews being racially abused. You’ve literally made my point for me by saying I’m anti-Semitic because I said something anti Israel. At no point did I say anything to defend Palestine either but you have it right there in your post the point I was trying to make: Anti-Semitic is something now just thrown at someone who say something negative about Israel’s foreign policy. No its anti semitic because you want to talk about israel in response to british jews being racially abused, like I say when someone mentions british muslims being racially abused do you start to talk about saudi arabia or ISIS ? Its actually quite easy to say something negative about israel without being a thick racist twat. How is it in response to British Jews being racially abused. Where is the evidence that the anti-Semitic accusations against him are a result of racially abusing British Jews? There isn’t any is there. There’s evidence he hasn’t like some Jews in the labour parties pro-Israel stance, taking funds from Israel and his historic meetings with pro Palestine supporters. There’s nothing to suggest he has anything against your average Britain Jew. But by calling him an anti-Semitic when all he’s really done is not approve of Israel’s policies makes people think he he’s now racially abusing British Jews!
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