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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2019 12:36:15 GMT
They've gone, citing not only Brexit but the rise of the hard right in the Tory Party. No mention of institutional racism within the party then unlike the Labour defectors, for the many but not the Jew.
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2019 12:36:32 GMT
councillor anne meadows Brighton and Hove leaves labour and joins the Tories because of the current labour issues, bullying, anti-semetism etc. not a big one on the political scale, but grass roots are getting pissed off.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 12:40:56 GMT
They've gone, citing not only Brexit but the rise of the hard right in the Tory Party. No mention of institutional racism within the party then unlike the Labour defectors, for the many but not the Jew. What was it a former Chairman of the Tory Party reiterated last week? "The "poison” of Islamophobia has affected every level of the Conservative Party and is being ignored by the leadership in a bid to win elections" Amazing you don't read much about this sort of thing do you. Perhaps there's more at work here, perhaps?!
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2019 12:47:40 GMT
No mention of institutional racism within the party then unlike the Labour defectors, for the many but not the Jew. What was it a former Chairman of the Tory Party reiterated last week? "The "poison” of Islamophobia has affected every level of the Conservative Party and is being ignored by the leadership in a bid to win elections" Amazing you don't read much about this sort of thing do you. Perhaps there's more at work here, perhaps?! the Pakistani Muslim who resignedover the governments policy on the Israeli-Gaza conflict, who said Theresa isn't part of it. Maybe there is or isn't issues, I would hope if there was it would be out in the press
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 12:57:42 GMT
Talking of George, it would be nice to have someone back in mainstream Politics to snap the scurrilous deceit currently at play
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 20, 2019 13:13:43 GMT
Talking of George, it would be nice to have someone back in mainstream Politics to snap the scurrilous deceit currently at play It's a sign of desperate times if you're looking to George Galloway for support.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 13:22:01 GMT
Talking of George, it would be nice to have someone back in mainstream Politics to snap the scurrilous deceit currently at play It's a sign of desperate times if you're looking to George Galloway for support. Why. Because he tells the truth? Was only ever 100% correct about the Iraq War and was only expelled from the Labour Party for calling out the leadership and their allies for the crimes for which we are all still paying. The above is spot on if you watched the sneering Murdoch sycophant conducting the interview he couldn't handle it. Why are people so blind as to what is going on here? This doesn't sterengthen the cause against anti-Semitism it weakens it massively. Give me a 100 "Galloway's" from both sides of the Political divide than Blair like Charlatans we have polluting Politics right now.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 20, 2019 13:25:17 GMT
So McDonut's comments about being in "full listening mode" about the split almost lasted for 18 hours.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 13:40:23 GMT
So McDonut's comments about being in "full listening mode" about the split almost lasted for 18 hours. Well he's right isn't he. This from Heidi Allen.. "“Those that rely on the [safety] net are people and not numbers.” “I can no longer represent a party that can’t open its eyes to suffering in our society. Suffering that has deepened, when it was in our power to fix it.” She voted for every single austerity measure and her actions today along with the Blairite traitors have ensured that those suffering now will suffer more in years to come. The thick Tory enabling dickwits.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 20, 2019 13:45:10 GMT
It's a sign of desperate times if you're looking to George Galloway for support. Why. Because he tells the truth? Was only ever 100% correct about the Iraq War and was only expelled from the Labour Party for calling out the leadership and their allies for the crimes for which we are all still paying. The above is spot on if you watched the sneering Murdoch sycophant conducting the interview he couldn't handle it. Why are people so blind as to what is going on here? This doesn't sterengthen the cause against anti-Semitism it weakens it massively. Give me a 100 "Galloway's" from both sides of the Political divide than Blair like Charlatans we have polluting Politics right now. Because he is a grandstanding charlatan. A horrible person. (Of course, he is not unique in those regards among politicians. But he is one if the worst).
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 13:47:41 GMT
Why. Because he tells the truth? Was only ever 100% correct about the Iraq War and was only expelled from the Labour Party for calling out the leadership and their allies for the crimes for which we are all still paying. The above is spot on if you watched the sneering Murdoch sycophant conducting the interview he couldn't handle it. Why are people so blind as to what is going on here? This doesn't sterengthen the cause against anti-Semitism it weakens it massively. Give me a 100 "Galloway's" from both sides of the Political divide than Blair like Charlatans we have polluting Politics right now. Because he is a grandstanding charlatan. A horrible person. (Of course, he is not unique in those regards among politicians. But he is one if the worst). He's also very astute and can see beyond the corruption and lies of modern day Britain
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 13:48:00 GMT
I joined the party after spending 24 years in the NHS as a front-line doctor wanting to make a difference,” she says. She joined a tolerant, modern open-hearted Conservative party, which has since disappeared, says Wollaston.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 13:48:36 GMT
Soubry says you don’t join a political party to fight it.
“The battle is over and the other side has won,” she says. “The right wing, the hard line anti-EU awkward squad are running the Conservative from top to toe.” She says that many of her friends in the party know “in their heads and in their hearts that it’s over”. “Brexit now defines the Conservative party.” She says her colleagues are being hounded in their constituency parties by infiltrators, even though they are supporting the prime minister’s deal. “It’s ironic that Conservatives observe it and condemn it in the Labour party, but it is happening in their own party.”
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Post by desman2 on Feb 20, 2019 13:57:01 GMT
In all these cases it's a case of jump before pushed. A bit like Blair and Cameron but on a lesser scale.
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Post by Gods on Feb 20, 2019 14:04:13 GMT
Interesting to see if his goes anywhere, although I don't suppose it will.
They seem like the more sane ones from both sides of the divide.
It leaves the 2 main stream parties of far left and hard right looking even more like the funny farm than they were already.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 20, 2019 14:17:03 GMT
Interesting to see if his goes anywhere, although I don't suppose it will. They seem like the more sane ones from both sides of the divide. It leaves the 2 main stream parties of fae left and hatd right looking even more like the funny farm than they were already. It's funny how people see things differently Gods. As much as anything I see the group as having their self interest at heart and I agree with Douglas....at least he stood for re-election And Daniel
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 20, 2019 14:26:52 GMT
Let's start a party, to change politics, with careerist, disdainful of the electorate, patronising, know what's best for you politicians! Come on now, I hear you're feelin' down Well, I can ease your pain and get you on your feet again. Relax. I need some information first. Relax. Just to face the facts. Can you show me where it hurts?
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Post by yeokel on Feb 20, 2019 14:26:56 GMT
Soubry says you don’t join a political party to fight it. “The battle is over and the other side has won,” she says...... Unless it's Leave the EU vs Remain, in which case she will whine and whine and whine ad infinitum.
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Post by Gods on Feb 20, 2019 14:28:43 GMT
Interesting to see if his goes anywhere, although I don't suppose it will. They seem like the more sane ones from both sides of the divide. It leaves the 2 main stream parties of fae left and hatd right looking even more like the funny farm than they were already. It's funny how people see things differently Gods. As much as anything I see the group as having their self interest at heart and I agree with Douglas....at least he stood for re-election And Daniel I can only put myself in their shoes. If I was of the centre-left I'd be glad to not be welcoming Degsy Hatton back in to the fold and if I was centre-right I wouldn't want anything to do with the UKIP wing of the Tories. I'm not sure this is it but somewhere out there is space for a centre ground, liberal, pro-business, pro-Europe, pro-equal rights, pro-planet, modernist party, I'm certain of it. And it's not Corbyn's mob and it's not May and the ERG. I dont know which is worse.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 20, 2019 14:30:22 GMT
Because he is a grandstanding charlatan. A horrible person. (Of course, he is not unique in those regards among politicians. But he is one if the worst). He's also very astute and can see beyond the corruption and lies of modern day Britain Agreed. He is also articulate and not easily intimidated. As those clowns in the US senate famously discovered. So in conclusion, and in the interests of balance, I'll amend my previous description as follows: He is an astute, articulate, resilient, grandstanding charlatan.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 20, 2019 14:32:01 GMT
the only good thing to come out of Brexit will hopefully be that it will dismantle parts of the horrible party political system we have.
will be great when the Conservative and Labour parties are confined to history. I think Brexit will be the death of these 2 parties as they are swallowed up by fanatics, as we see happening.
This temporary independent movement will also dissolve soon enough, and these characters are just bit part players and are anything but the future, but these changes serve to highlight the dysfunctional nature of our political system that is now hopefully on its way out.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 14:32:25 GMT
He's also very astute and can see beyond the corruption and lies of modern day Britain Agreed. He is also articulate and not easily intimidated. As those clowns in the US senate famously discovered. So in conclusion, and in the interests of balance, I'll amend my previous description as follows: He is an astute, articulate, resilient, grandstanding charlatan. Add in principled and I'll go with it. Always worth listening to whether you agree or not in my book though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 14:33:50 GMT
I'm sure Gary's social media will be active today
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 20, 2019 14:38:11 GMT
I joined the party after spending 24 years in the NHS as a front-line doctor wanting to make a difference,” she says. She joined a tolerant, modern open-hearted Conservative party, which has since disappeared, says Wollaston. Er... she actually joined a party that went straight into a Lib/Con coalition and then stayed in a Conservative party who's leader Cameron had talked about an EU referendum since 2013. She's a Lib Dem the same as Allen. None of this new "group" are tolerant or democratic. Not one will call a by-election over their own personal mandate but everyone of them wants a rigged second referendum. They're just Brexit reversers. Soubry was shouting across the house at May to "sling out" of the party those that Soubry didn't agree with. Wake me up when a Brexiteer joins them.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 20, 2019 14:41:20 GMT
Soubry says you don’t join a political party to fight it. “The battle is over and the other side has won,” she says. “The right wing, the hard line anti-EU awkward squad are running the Conservative from top to toe.” She says that many of her friends in the party know “in their heads and in their hearts that it’s over”. “Brexit now defines the Conservative party.” She says her colleagues are being hounded in their constituency parties by infiltrators, even though they are supporting the prime minister’s deal. “It’s ironic that Conservatives observe it and condemn it in the Labour party, but it is happening in their own party.” So she obviously doesn't believe the line about staying in the EU to reform it then. If the so called "anti-EU awkward squad" are actually running the party and therefore the country how come we didn't present alternative arrangements to the backstop weeks ago and the cabinet is majority remain. They've all said they oppose Brexit in any form. It's the only common denominator between all 11.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 20, 2019 14:44:51 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Feb 20, 2019 14:47:26 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 20, 2019 14:56:19 GMT
It's funny how people see things differently Gods. As much as anything I see the group as having their self interest at heart and I agree with Douglas....at least he stood for re-election And Daniel I can only put myself in their shoes. If I was of the centre-left I'd be glad to not be welcoming Degsy Hatton back in to the fold and if I was centre-right I wouldn't want anything to do with the UKIP wing of the Tories. I'm not sure this is it but somewhere out there is space for a centre ground, liberal, pro-business, pro-Europe, pro-equal rights, pro-planet, modernist party, I'm certain of it. And it's not Corbyn's mob and it's not May and the ERG. I dont know which is worse. For me , I'm very pro Europe but anti EU , so I know where they are coming from. In my opinion, culturally and democratically the EU has done harm to Europe. Economically in the long/ medium term I don't think it will do the UK any favours...I don't think it's really working now for the Greek, Italian and Spanish young people
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 14:56:26 GMT
Talking of George, it would be nice to have someone back in mainstream Politics to snap the scurrilous deceit currently at play He is not anti semitic its something the nazi minister for propaganda would say and its all a black op, christ on a bike. I have heard of fighting fire with fire but never fighting allegations of anti semitism with anti semitism.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 14:57:49 GMT
Talking of George, it would be nice to have someone back in mainstream Politics to snap the scurrilous deceit currently at play He is not anti semitic its something the nazi minister for propaganda would say and its all a black op, christ on a bike. I have heard of fighting fire with fire but never fighting allegations of anti semitism with anti semitism. I've never heard your views on the Joan Ryan footage, fyd. Anything to see here or just a poor misunderstood Labour Friend of Israel?
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