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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2019 21:23:27 GMT
No its anti semitic because you want to talk about israel in response to british jews being racially abused, like I say when someone mentions british muslims being racially abused do you start to talk about saudi arabia or ISIS ? Its actually quite easy to say something negative about israel without being a thick racist twat. How is it in response to British Jews being racially abused. Where is the evidence that the anti-Semitic accusations against him are a result of racially abusing British Jews? There isn’t any is there. There’s evidence he hasn’t like some Jews in the labour parties pro-Israel stance, taking funds from Israel and his historic meetings with pro Palestine supporters. There’s nothing to suggest he has anything against your average Britain Jew. But by calling him an anti-Semitic when all he’s really done is not approve of Israel’s policies makes people think he he’s now racially abusing British Jews! It appears that some of the MP'S who walked out of his party have cited that there is a problem with anti Semitism within his ranks, maybe he is not aware of these individuals
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:34:31 GMT
How is it in response to British Jews being racially abused. Where is the evidence that the anti-Semitic accusations against him are a result of racially abusing British Jews? There isn’t any is there. There’s evidence he hasn’t like some Jews in the labour parties pro-Israel stance, taking funds from Israel and his historic meetings with pro Palestine supporters. There’s nothing to suggest he has anything against your average Britain Jew. But by calling him an anti-Semitic when all he’s really done is not approve of Israel’s policies makes people think he he’s now racially abusing British Jews! It appears that some of the MP'S who walked out of his party have cited that there is a problem with anti Semitism within his ranks, maybe he is not aware of these individuals There’s also Jewish MPs who have denied that and stayed. I don’t know when you started trusting MPs by the way? In pretty sure it was only yesterday you said you didnt believe a word they say 😉. I trust none of these MPs. I don’t think there’s many that say and do anything other than their own personal gains. They say it’s anti-Semite but don’t say how or provide any evidence. Literally the only things levelled are not being pro-Israel and disapproving of those with close/funded ties to Israel. Being anti-Israel is not the same as being anti-Semite. But that term is literally thrown around now at anyone who says anything anti-Israel as evidence by the poster I was replying to.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 21:34:39 GMT
No its anti semitic because you want to talk about israel in response to british jews being racially abused, like I say when someone mentions british muslims being racially abused do you start to talk about saudi arabia or ISIS ? Its actually quite easy to say something negative about israel without being a thick racist twat. How is it in response to British Jews being racially abused. Where is the evidence that the anti-Semitic accusations against him are a result of racially abusing British Jews? There isn’t any is there. There’s evidence he hasn’t like some Jews in the labour parties pro-Israel stance, taking funds from Israel and his historic meetings with pro Palestine supporters. There’s nothing to suggest he has anything against your average Britain Jew. But by calling him an anti-Semitic when all he’s really done is not approve of Israel’s policies makes people think he he’s now racially abusing British Jews! Some amazing strawmen being constructed here. What are you going on about we were talking about you and now you are trying to flip it to racist grandpa. Hamas, Hezbollah, the cunts who murdered the athletes he laid a wreath for, you are categorising as being pro palestianian lol I suppose when he gets criticised for being pals with the IRA you call them irish anti abortionists lmao.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 20, 2019 21:40:54 GMT
How is it in response to British Jews being racially abused. Where is the evidence that the anti-Semitic accusations against him are a result of racially abusing British Jews? There isn’t any is there. There’s evidence he hasn’t like some Jews in the labour parties pro-Israel stance, taking funds from Israel and his historic meetings with pro Palestine supporters. There’s nothing to suggest he has anything against your average Britain Jew. But by calling him an anti-Semitic when all he’s really done is not approve of Israel’s policies makes people think he he’s now racially abusing British Jews! Some amazing strawmen being constructed here. What are you going on about we were talking about you and now you are trying to flip it to racist grandpa. Hamas, Hezbollah, the cunts who murdered the athletes he laid a wreath for, you are categorising as being pro palestianian lol I suppose when he gets criticised for being pals with the IRA you call them irish anti abortionists lmao. To give the benefit of the doubt you could always suggest that Corbyn is sympathetic to terrorist organizations.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2019 21:42:27 GMT
It appears that some of the MP'S who walked out of his party have cited that there is a problem with anti Semitism within his ranks, maybe he is not aware of these individuals There’s also Jewish MPs who have denied that and stayed. I don’t know when you started trusting MPs by the way? In pretty sure it was only yesterday you said you didnt believe a word they say 😉. I trust none of these MPs. I don’t think there’s many that say and do anything other than their own personal gains. They say it’s anti-Semite but don’t say how or provide any evidence. Literally the only things levelled are not being pro-Israel and disapproving of those with close/funded ties to Israel. Being anti-Israel is not the same as being anti-Semite. But that term is literally thrown around now at anyone who says anything anti-Israel as evidence by the poster I was replying to. I didn't say I trusted them, by the way how do you view the people who label anyone racist because they are anti Islam ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 21:48:13 GMT
There’s also Jewish MPs who have denied that and stayed. I don’t know when you started trusting MPs by the way? In pretty sure it was only yesterday you said you didnt believe a word they say 😉. I trust none of these MPs. I don’t think there’s many that say and do anything other than their own personal gains. They say it’s anti-Semite but don’t say how or provide any evidence. Literally the only things levelled are not being pro-Israel and disapproving of those with close/funded ties to Israel. Being anti-Israel is not the same as being anti-Semite. But that term is literally thrown around now at anyone who says anything anti-Israel as evidence by the poster I was replying to. I didn't say I trusted them, by the way how do you view the people who label anyone racist because they are anti Islam ? Like Christopher Hitchens, a left wing liberal?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:48:32 GMT
No its anti semitic because you want to talk about israel in response to british jews being racially abused, like I say when someone mentions british muslims being racially abused do you start to talk about saudi arabia or ISIS ? Its actually quite easy to say something negative about israel without being a thick racist twat. How is it in response to British Jews being racially abused. Where is the evidence that the anti-Semitic accusations against him are a result of racially abusing British Jews? There isn’t any is there. There’s evidence he hasn’t like some Jews in the labour parties pro-Israel stance, taking funds from Israel and his historic meetings with pro Palestine supporters. There’s nothing to suggest he has anything against your average Britain Jew. But by calling him an anti-Semitic when all he’s really done is not approve of Israel’s policies makes people think he he’s now racially abusing British Jews! The press and some of the Labour Party will stop at nothing until they find something they can discredit Corbyn for to the extent where it’s untenable for him to continue in the job. It’s a witch hunt, nothing more. For the record he’s doing a bang average job, I think he’s a genuine human being which is more than the majority of PMs, and he’s the polar opposite of the deplorable scumbag that is Theresa May, but he’s not strong enough to oust one of the most divided governments in history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:49:40 GMT
How is it in response to British Jews being racially abused. Where is the evidence that the anti-Semitic accusations against him are a result of racially abusing British Jews? There isn’t any is there. There’s evidence he hasn’t like some Jews in the labour parties pro-Israel stance, taking funds from Israel and his historic meetings with pro Palestine supporters. There’s nothing to suggest he has anything against your average Britain Jew. But by calling him an anti-Semitic when all he’s really done is not approve of Israel’s policies makes people think he he’s now racially abusing British Jews! Some amazing strawmen being constructed here. What are you going on about we were talking about you and now you are trying to flip it to racist grandpa. Hamas, Hezbollah, the cunts who murdered the athletes he laid a wreath for, you are categorising as being pro palestianian lol I suppose when he gets criticised for being pals with the IRA you call them irish anti abortionists lmao. That doesn’t even make any sense. I’ve said nothing of the sort. I said something anti-Israel and you’ve called me an anti-Semite. That was the point I was trying to make - anti-Semitism is NOT the same as being anti-Israel and yet that is how the term is now used. If you want to go on to Ireland, do I think that Ireland should never have been invaded and divided - yes. Does that mean I support the IRA - of course it fucking doesn’t. But in your black and white world I guess it doesn’t it. Do you not think it’s a bit ironic really that you’re associating him with terrorists (the wreath thing has been explained loads of times btw if you cared to google it) while you’re own government is currently selling weapons to Saudi Arabia which they are using to murder children in Yemen? I’m guessing not.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 21:49:44 GMT
It appears that some of the MP'S who walked out of his party have cited that there is a problem with anti Semitism within his ranks, maybe he is not aware of these individuals There’s also Jewish MPs who have denied that and stayed. I don’t know when you started trusting MPs by the way? In pretty sure it was only yesterday you said you didnt believe a word they say 😉. I trust none of these MPs. I don’t think there’s many that say and do anything other than their own personal gains. They say it’s anti-Semite but don’t say how or provide any evidence. Literally the only things levelled are not being pro-Israel and disapproving of those with close/funded ties to Israel. Being anti-Israel is not the same as being anti-Semite. But that term is literally thrown around now at anyone who says anything anti-Israel as evidence by the poster I was replying to. Feel free to put up a link to any jewish mp denying labour has an anti semitism problem. And I told you its quite easy to criticise Israel without being racist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:51:51 GMT
There’s also Jewish MPs who have denied that and stayed. I don’t know when you started trusting MPs by the way? In pretty sure it was only yesterday you said you didnt believe a word they say 😉. I trust none of these MPs. I don’t think there’s many that say and do anything other than their own personal gains. They say it’s anti-Semite but don’t say how or provide any evidence. Literally the only things levelled are not being pro-Israel and disapproving of those with close/funded ties to Israel. Being anti-Israel is not the same as being anti-Semite. But that term is literally thrown around now at anyone who says anything anti-Israel as evidence by the poster I was replying to. I didn't say I trusted them, by the way how do you view the people who label anyone racist because they are anti Islam ? You do realise that Israel is not a religion don’t you? If you need me to link it to Islam so you understand what I’m saying - Do you think I’m anti-Muslim and a racist because I don’t like Saudi Arabia’s foreign or domestic policies?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 21:52:16 GMT
True it's a full time job running a baby killing, barbaric, apartheid state. Makes it easier if you have a cabal of British MP's on the payroll mind. Apartheid ? There are 400 mosques in Israel, 73 in Jeruslem. In 1988 there were only 80 mosques. The isreali government pays grants to 300 imams doesnt sound much like apartheid too me. Nice use of well known anti semitic trope to end with though momo. No tropes, no anti-Semitism, simply saying what you see and contextualizing it in terms of history. www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/israel-adopts-controversial-jewish-nation-state-law "Israel passed a controversial law declaring that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country.......The legislation stipulates that “Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it”.
It also strips Arabic of its designation as an official language alongside Hebrew, downgrading it to a “special status” that enables its continued use within Israeli institutions". It's a two tier system based on division, racism and tiered society What would you call it? 213 days of an apartheid state. You'd think you'd see a bit of it on the news wouldn't you. Perhaps something is going on?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 21:55:22 GMT
There’s also Jewish MPs who have denied that and stayed. I don’t know when you started trusting MPs by the way? In pretty sure it was only yesterday you said you didnt believe a word they say 😉. I trust none of these MPs. I don’t think there’s many that say and do anything other than their own personal gains. They say it’s anti-Semite but don’t say how or provide any evidence. Literally the only things levelled are not being pro-Israel and disapproving of those with close/funded ties to Israel. Being anti-Israel is not the same as being anti-Semite. But that term is literally thrown around now at anyone who says anything anti-Israel as evidence by the poster I was replying to. Feel free to put up a link to any jewish mp denying labour has an anti semitism problem. And I told you its quite easy to criticise Israel without being racist. But very hard to criticize Islam without being vilified.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 22:00:53 GMT
There’s also Jewish MPs who have denied that and stayed. I don’t know when you started trusting MPs by the way? In pretty sure it was only yesterday you said you didnt believe a word they say 😉. I trust none of these MPs. I don’t think there’s many that say and do anything other than their own personal gains. They say it’s anti-Semite but don’t say how or provide any evidence. Literally the only things levelled are not being pro-Israel and disapproving of those with close/funded ties to Israel. Being anti-Israel is not the same as being anti-Semite. But that term is literally thrown around now at anyone who says anything anti-Israel as evidence by the poster I was replying to. Feel free to put up a link to any jewish mp denying labour has an anti semitism problem. And I told you its quite easy to criticise Israel without being racist. I literally say something anti-Israel and you said you assumed therefore I was anti-Semite. Yes it is easy to say something anti - Israel without actually being racist but your “assumption” showed that people will jump to the conclusion you are racist. Which was my point.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 22:02:52 GMT
Some amazing strawmen being constructed here. What are you going on about we were talking about you and now you are trying to flip it to racist grandpa. Hamas, Hezbollah, the cunts who murdered the athletes he laid a wreath for, you are categorising as being pro palestianian lol I suppose when he gets criticised for being pals with the IRA you call them irish anti abortionists lmao. That doesn’t even make any sense. I’ve said nothing of the sort. I said something anti-Israel and you’ve called me an anti-Semite. That was the point I was trying to make - anti-Semitism is NOT the same as being anti-Israel and yet that is how the term is now used. If you want to go on to Ireland, do I think that Ireland should never have been invaded and divided - yes. Does that mean I support the IRA - of course it fucking doesn’t. But in your black and white world I guess it doesn’t it. Do you not think it’s a bit ironic really that you’re associating him with terrorists (the wreath thing has been explained loads of times btw if you cared to google it) while you’re own government is currently selling weapons to Saudi Arabia which they are using to murder children in Yemen? I’m guessing not. You responded to my post about george galloway where he says anti semitism in the labour party is a lie, that Berger lied about her reasons for leaving (the labour party actually failed to warn her about one death threat),talking about gobbels and black ops against corbyn by talking about israel. We are discussing racism against british jews and you want to talk about Israel. #textbook anti semitism
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 22:05:44 GMT
Feel free to put up a link to any jewish mp denying labour has an anti semitism problem. And I told you its quite easy to criticise Israel without being racist. But very hard to criticize Islam without being vilified. Indeed it would but then criticising a whole religion because of some twats is wrong. Criticise the twats and those who sympathise with them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 22:06:52 GMT
Feel free to put up a link to any jewish mp denying labour has an anti semitism problem. And I told you its quite easy to criticise Israel without being racist. But very hard to criticize Islam without being vilified. Firstly I said something anti-Israel and he then assumed I was an anti-Semite so it’s clearly not possible to criticise Israel without being accused of hating the race of Jews. Secondly Israel is not a religion. I know what you’re saying but the equivalent is me saying something anti- Saudi Arabia then being accused of being racists against all Muslims which isn’t really done is it. You can criticise Saudi Arabia and you’ve probably just deemed to have a conscious and not want to live in medieval times. But if you criticise Israel you’re (probably) anti-Jewish. How.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 22:09:26 GMT
Feel free to put up a link to any jewish mp denying labour has an anti semitism problem. And I told you its quite easy to criticise Israel without being racist. I literally say something anti-Israel and you said you assumed therefore I was anti-Semite. Yes it is easy to say something anti - Israel without actually being racist but your “assumption” showed that people will jump to the conclusion you are racist. Which was my point. You have no point.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 22:12:47 GMT
But very hard to criticize Islam without being vilified. Indeed it would but then criticising a whole religion because of some twats is wrong. Criticise the twats and those who sympathise with them. I reserve the right not to have to respect any religion. And if the twats are inspired by their religion to kill British citizens, why would that increase my respect?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 22:14:36 GMT
I literally say something anti-Israel and you said you assumed therefore I was anti-Semite. Yes it is easy to say something anti - Israel without actually being racist but your “assumption” showed that people will jump to the conclusion you are racist. Which was my point. You have no point. I can’t help it if you can’t understand it.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 22:15:45 GMT
Apartheid ? There are 400 mosques in Israel, 73 in Jeruslem. In 1988 there were only 80 mosques. The isreali government pays grants to 300 imams doesnt sound much like apartheid too me. Nice use of well known anti semitic trope to end with though momo. No tropes, no anti-Semitism, simply saying what you see and contextualizing it in terms of history. www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/israel-adopts-controversial-jewish-nation-state-law "Israel passed a controversial law declaring that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country.......The legislation stipulates that “Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it”.
It also strips Arabic of its designation as an official language alongside Hebrew, downgrading it to a “special status” that enables its continued use within Israeli institutions". It's a two tier system based on division, racism and tiered society What would you call it? 213 days of an apartheid state. You'd think you'd see a bit of it on the news wouldn't you. Perhaps something is going on? Bad faith, dual loyalty, being paid by a foreign government, implied conspiracy its all hinted at. I see you are very keen on human rights, how do you view the treatment of LGBT people in palestine ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 22:18:15 GMT
But very hard to criticize Islam without being vilified. Firstly I said something anti-Israel and he then assumed I was an anti-Semite so it’s clearly not possible to criticise Israel without being accused of hating the race of Jews. Secondly Israel is not a religion. I know what you’re saying but the equivalent is me saying something anti- Saudi Arabia then being accused of being racists against all Muslims which isn’t really done is it. You can criticise Saudi Arabia and you’ve probably just deemed to have a conscious and not want to live in medieval times. But if you criticise Israel you’re (probably) anti-Jewish. How. I linked in error. Apologies. Yes, you can be critical of Israel and not an antisemite. Tony Benn was, and I don't remember him being labelled that way.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 22:18:37 GMT
I can’t help it if you can’t understand it. I understand the point you are trying to make but as I explained above when we are talking about anti semitism against british jews you wanted to witter about israel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 22:28:27 GMT
I can’t help it if you can’t understand it. I understand the point you are trying to make but as I explained above when we are talking about anti semitism against british jews you wanted to witter about israel. Because where’s the evidence that’s it anti Semitism against normal British Jews. Only a summary but see here for example: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-45030552 everything accused is anti Zionist or anti Israel not anti your average British Jew Which is my point. People read and hear anti-Semite and think this is racism against British Jews but it isn’t. It’s all come from an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel stance. And now you have these MPs, like Luciana Berger who is very pro-Israel saying it’s anti-Semitism but it’s not about Jews as a race it’s about Israel. Hopefully I’ve explained myself now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 20, 2019 22:34:16 GMT
No tropes, no anti-Semitism, simply saying what you see and contextualizing it in terms of history. www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/israel-adopts-controversial-jewish-nation-state-law "Israel passed a controversial law declaring that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country.......The legislation stipulates that “Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it”.
It also strips Arabic of its designation as an official language alongside Hebrew, downgrading it to a “special status” that enables its continued use within Israeli institutions". It's a two tier system based on division, racism and tiered society What would you call it? 213 days of an apartheid state. You'd think you'd see a bit of it on the news wouldn't you. Perhaps something is going on? Bad faith, dual loyalty, being paid by a foreign government, implied conspiracy its all hinted at. I see you are very keen on human rights, how do you view the treatment of LGBT people in palestine ? That is just anti-Semitism shit throwing by numbers fyd. There's a lot of it about these days mind. What's your interpretation of the law passed last Summer then? Progress, for a more equal and fair society?! I think LGBT rights are a disgrace in virtually the whole of the Middle East fyd and not least in Saudi who we arm to the teeth domestically and Internationally for their oppressive society and also act as their canvassers to others stop their ban on weaponizing their oppressive, hate filled regime.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 22:38:38 GMT
Firstly I said something anti-Israel and he then assumed I was an anti-Semite so it’s clearly not possible to criticise Israel without being accused of hating the race of Jews. Secondly Israel is not a religion. I know what you’re saying but the equivalent is me saying something anti- Saudi Arabia then being accused of being racists against all Muslims which isn’t really done is it. You can criticise Saudi Arabia and you’ve probably just deemed to have a conscious and not want to live in medieval times. But if you criticise Israel you’re (probably) anti-Jewish. How. I linked in error. Apologies. Yes, you can be critical of Israel and not an antisemite. Tony Benn was, and I don't remember him being labelled that way. What a great man. Oh if he’d been prime minister. If Carlsberg did elections.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2019 22:44:24 GMT
I didn't say I trusted them, by the way how do you view the people who label anyone racist because they are anti Islam ? You do realise that Israel is not a religion don’t you? If you need me to link it to Islam so you understand what I’m saying - Do you think I’m anti-Muslim and a racist because I don’t like Saudi Arabia’s foreign or domestic policies? Of course I don't, I really thought that Israel is a religion what about anti muslim is that racist ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 22:54:05 GMT
You do realise that Israel is not a religion don’t you? If you need me to link it to Islam so you understand what I’m saying - Do you think I’m anti-Muslim and a racist because I don’t like Saudi Arabia’s foreign or domestic policies? Of course I don't, I really thought that Israel is a religion what about anti muslim is that racist ? Mate, I have no idea what you’re on about! Which isn’t anything new with you tbf 😉 If you hate all Muslims just because they are Muslims then yes mate that’s a bit racist. If on the off chance (which I doubt but I’ll give you the benefit of that doubt anyway) you are asking a very nuanced question as to whether if you disagree some of the central tenants of Islam which some Muslims adhere too - such as the views on gays, women and implementation of Sharia law then to my mind that would not be racist because it’s not hating a race because it’s a race. But none of this is what me and followyoudown were on about...nevermind
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 23:02:13 GMT
I understand the point you are trying to make but as I explained above when we are talking about anti semitism against british jews you wanted to witter about israel. Because where’s the evidence that’s it anti Semitism against normal British Jews. Only a summary but see here for example: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-45030552 everything accused is anti Zionist or anti Israel not anti your average British Jew Which is my point. People read and hear anti-Semite and think this is racism against British Jews but it isn’t. It’s all come from an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel stance. And now you have these MPs, like Luciana Berger who is very pro-Israel saying it’s anti-Semitism but it’s not about Jews as a race it’s about Israel. Hopefully I’ve explained myself now. Where to start with this..... the article you linked even says zionism is used as code for anti semitism. Racist grandpa laid a wreath for a member of the terrorist organisation who murdered israeli athletes but thats ok because he is anti israel ? I mean it also kind of ignores the reason why the state of Israel as we know it today exists..... Luciana Berger is british she has received shocking amounts of racism, last count 3 or 4 are in prison over it, thats over racism and threats made to her in britain not because of criticism of israel. Honestly your whole argument is for the fairies.
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Post by desman2 on Feb 20, 2019 23:09:04 GMT
the only good thing to come out of Brexit will hopefully be that it will dismantle parts of the horrible party political system we have. will be great when the Conservative and Labour parties are confined to history. I think Brexit will be the death of these 2 parties as they are swallowed up by fanatics, as we see happening. This temporary independent movement will also dissolve soon enough, and these characters are just bit part players and are anything but the future, but these changes serve to highlight the dysfunctional nature of our political system that is now hopefully on its way out. I think you are spot on. What I will add is that it's not just Brexit in itself. They are masters of there own downfall. Any manipulating of the current situation will demonstrate that its not what us out here think. They will do what they want.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2019 23:12:44 GMT
Bad faith, dual loyalty, being paid by a foreign government, implied conspiracy its all hinted at. I see you are very keen on human rights, how do you view the treatment of LGBT people in palestine ? That is just anti-Semitism shit throwing by numbers fyd. There's a lot of it about these days mind. What's your interpretation of the law passed last Summer then? Progress, for a more equal and fair society?! I think LGBT rights are a disgrace in virtually the whole of the Middle East fyd and not least in Saudi who we arm to the teeth domestically and Internationally for their oppressive society and also act as their canvassers to others stop their ban on weaponizing their oppressive, hate filled regime. My view as I have stated many times before is that hamas and hezbollah are cunts and the israeli government does plenty of cuntish things too. I can see cuntishness on both sides just as I see the ordinary palestinians / israelis are the ones that suffer.
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