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Post by bathstoke on Feb 21, 2019 16:25:41 GMT
Yet Jezza wants her back. I'm trying really hard to get this bloke, but I can't. It's unpalatable but he's probably being realistic. You simply can't have loads of Nationless hoodlums roaming the earth like a malevolent A-Team 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 21, 2019 16:25:46 GMT
Yes, you fucking do! I don't think she's an idiot, I think she's a volunteer. I think that's ignoring the effect online grooming can have on people. If a 15 year old was invited by a middle aged man to have sex and groomed into joining a sex ring, would you say she's a volunteer? Obviously not, because she's been brainwashed and groomed into doing it. The only difference being that ISIS actively endanger the rest of us. I'm not saying that she deserves the sympathy of a sexual abuse victim, but the principles of how she's been convinced to go over there are the same. People stoke her hatred for the west and tell her how things will be different and better over there. Then she goes and sees the most horrific sights a person could ever see. I can understand her being a bit fucked in the head. It's hard to tell the difference between recruitment and grooming at times, though. I just can't have her as a victim, but I knew people would take this slant. If a white skinhead had been involved in something vile, there would be no equivocation; he'd be a nasty, racist cunt. There's always an excuse for some.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 21, 2019 16:26:24 GMT
Nineteen year old adult spends half-a-decade living as a terrorist, tells us she knew what she was doing, tells us she agreed with what was happening, tells us she regrets none of it... Somehow gets painted as a poor, innocent, child victim.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 21, 2019 16:30:21 GMT
I'm sure the press will have a field day with Corbyn's comments and they will make grim headlines - but if you watch the video of his interview most of it's fairly common stuff sense. The only thing I would disagree with is the part about offering her support, as she's not earned that right.
But allowing her back and taking appropriate action (I assume there is something she can be charged with) is not a bad way forward from a shitty situation.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 21, 2019 16:58:36 GMT
Yet Jezza wants her back. I'm trying really hard to get this bloke, but I can't. It's unpalatable but he's probably being realistic. You simply can't have loads of Nationless hoodlums roaming the earth like a malevolent A-Team Unfortunately, barbaric idiot that she is, she is our problem. That's just what Trump was saying (pretty much) earlier this week. (Great minds...) Well it was until he realised one of the ISIS crew claimed to be a US resident.
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Post by mattyd on Feb 21, 2019 17:18:56 GMT
I'm sure the press will have a field day with Corbyn's comments and they will make grim headlines - but if you watch the video of his interview most of it's fairly common stuff sense. The only thing I would disagree with is the part about offering her support, as she's not earned that right. But allowing her back and taking appropriate action (I assume there is something she can be charged with) is not a bad way forward from a shitty situation. I bet he could find her a job in his Shadow Cabinet, maybe Shadow Security Minister... And people on here want this terrorist loving traitor to be PM...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:22:10 GMT
I'm sure the press will have a field day with Corbyn's comments and they will make grim headlines - but if you watch the video of his interview most of it's fairly common stuff sense. The only thing I would disagree with is the part about offering her support, as she's not earned that right. But allowing her back and taking appropriate action (I assume there is something she can be charged with) is not a bad way forward from a shitty situation. What he has said is the correct thing to do, he will be slaughtered for it by the right wing press though, it’s probably enough to finish him as leader of the Labour Party as I suspect the majority of the public are completely against her returning to this country. Cue the terrorist sympathiser nonsense. The sad reality in this country is that you have to tell people what they want to hear in order to get into power even though in some cases it may be the polar opposite of what you believe. Corbyn is trying to not lose his integrity but the cost of this is keeping the Conservatives in power. It’s a really shitty situation, we are stuck with MPs who are more interested in being celebrities or towing the party line than doing what is in the best interests of our country and citizens. Politics in the UK is broken beyond repair and it’s getting worse by the day
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:25:50 GMT
I think that's ignoring the effect online grooming can have on people. If a 15 year old was invited by a middle aged man to have sex and groomed into joining a sex ring, would you say she's a volunteer? Obviously not, because she's been brainwashed and groomed into doing it. The only difference being that ISIS actively endanger the rest of us. I'm not saying that she deserves the sympathy of a sexual abuse victim, but the principles of how she's been convinced to go over there are the same. People stoke her hatred for the west and tell her how things will be different and better over there. Then she goes and sees the most horrific sights a person could ever see. I can understand her being a bit fucked in the head. It's hard to tell the difference between recruitment and grooming at times, though. I just can't have her as a victim, but I knew people would take this slant. If a white skinhead had been involved in something vile, there would be no equivocation; he'd be a nasty, racist cunt. There's always an excuse for some. It's a very interesting point in fairness. Both are mostly built from experience, both would be coming from a person being brainwashed into their beliefs. I don't think she's a victim as such, just that people are underestimating how easy it is to be swept away in an ideology. Especially if your mind is as whisked up as I imagine hers is seeing what she's seen. The prevent strategy makes interesting reading in relation to this too.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 21, 2019 17:40:28 GMT
I'm sure the press will have a field day with Corbyn's comments and they will make grim headlines - but if you watch the video of his interview most of it's fairly common stuff sense. The only thing I would disagree with is the part about offering her support, as she's not earned that right. But allowing her back and taking appropriate action (I assume there is something she can be charged with) is not a bad way forward from a shitty situation. I bet he could find her a job in his Shadow Cabinet, maybe Shadow Security Minister... And people on here want this terrorist loving traitor to be PM... Don't forget he's a communist spy as well. I reckon we're only a few months away from him being the man on the grassy knoll.
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Post by felonious on Feb 21, 2019 17:41:36 GMT
Don't really get why we're refusing the chance to question someone from ISIS who is handing herself in. Never mind the human side of it, in terms of military intelligence it is a stupid idea to turn her away surely? Have you seen any of her interviews? Intelligence is a strange word to use... I don't think she'll be offering much insight into their tactics or anything of particular use. Perhaps she could rat on the rats in Bethnall Green who turned the heads of these poor innocents
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Post by felonious on Feb 21, 2019 17:44:08 GMT
Don't really get why we're refusing the chance to question someone from ISIS who is handing herself in. Never mind the human side of it, in terms of military intelligence it is a stupid idea to turn her away surely? Because there's a 0% chance of her giving up any kind of secrets. Like I said, I'm a moderate left wing labour voter, not some frothing at the mouth BNP-nutter, so I'll put that out there again before I get accused of being right wing. She has shown no remorse, tried to suggest the Manchester bombings were justified, said people should feel sorry for her, insisted she still supports ISIS, and has even claimed she would have stayed with them had she not been forced to flee. She has nowhere else to turn and now wants to come home.... she's what they call an odious little shit and while the media can refer to her as a 'school girl', yeah, right.... not anymore.... she's fucking 19.... she's not a school girl. She WAS a school girl. She's an adult now and she's entitled to think what she thinks, but if it's fundamentally incompatible with British values then perhaps she should not be welcomed back with open arms. What she thinks now is far worse than what thought as a 15 year old. She's seen the carnage and still believes in ISIS.
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Post by mattyd on Feb 21, 2019 17:48:22 GMT
I bet he could find her a job in his Shadow Cabinet, maybe Shadow Security Minister... And people on here want this terrorist loving traitor to be PM... Don't forget he's a communist spy as well. I reckon we're only a few months away from him being the man on the grassy knoll. Wilson was the Commy Spy...FACT
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2019 17:52:35 GMT
It's hard to tell the difference between recruitment and grooming at times, though. I just can't have her as a victim, but I knew people would take this slant. If a white skinhead had been involved in something vile, there would be no equivocation; he'd be a nasty, racist cunt. There's always an excuse for some. It's a very interesting point in fairness. Both are mostly built from experience, both would be coming from a person being brainwashed into their beliefs. I don't think she's a victim as such, just that people are underestimating how easy it is to be swept away in an ideology. Especially if your mind is as whisked up as I imagine hers is seeing what she's seen. The prevent strategy makes interesting reading in relation to this too. You love backing a nailed on bad un /loser don't you
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2019 17:55:52 GMT
Don't really get why we're refusing the chance to question someone from ISIS who is handing herself in. Never mind the human side of it, in terms of military intelligence it is a stupid idea to turn her away surely? Have you seen any of her interviews? Intelligence is a strange word to use... I don't think she'll be offering much insight into their tactics or anything of particular use. We could find out how they prefer to roast their bitches or which washing up liquid they use, maybe even the best size of bin to take a severed human head.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 21, 2019 18:42:04 GMT
Please tell me I’m not seeing the brainwashing argument?
I’ve had to endure that stupid cunt and threat to national security Jeremy Corbin spout the utter piss that she should be allowed back and now this?
You can get a job at 16, not buying this as an argument because it’s not valid, at 15 you know what’s right from fucking wrong, hopefully she dies a slow and painful death like the victims of the cunts she went to get shagged by had to endure.
Her family need shoving in a hole with her and burying alive as well, they willingly let her join their “cause”, why aren’t we stripping them of their citizenship as well?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 21, 2019 18:54:27 GMT
Please tell me I’m not seeing the brainwashing argument? I’ve had to endure that stupid cunt and threat to national security Jeremy Corbin spout the utter piss that she should be allowed back and now this? You can get a job at 16, not buying this as an argument because it’s not valid, at 15 you know what’s right from fucking wrong, hopefully she dies a slow and painful death like the victims of the cunts she went to get shagged by had to endure. Her family need shoving in a hole with her and burying alive as well, they willingly let her join their “cause”, why aren’t we stripping them of their citizenship as well? I agree mate, it's pathetic. Being a silly, naive young idiot getting swept up in an ideology means you think socialism is the answer to all of lives woes 'cos it'll make the rich give money to the poor & we'll all live on a fluffy cloud. It does not mean you go to live on the otherside of the world to help a regime who have raped & beheaded their way across Syria & Iraq.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 21, 2019 18:59:53 GMT
Please tell me I’m not seeing the brainwashing argument? I’ve had to endure that stupid cunt and threat to national security Jeremy Corbin spout the utter piss that she should be allowed back and now this? You can get a job at 16, not buying this as an argument because it’s not valid, at 15 you know what’s right from fucking wrong, hopefully she dies a slow and painful death like the victims of the cunts she went to get shagged by had to endure. Her family need shoving in a hole with her and burying alive as well, they willingly let her join their “cause”, why aren’t we stripping them of their citizenship as well? I agree mate, it's pathetic. Being a silly, naive young idiot getting swept up in an ideology means you think socialism is the answer to all of lives woes 'cos it'll make the rich give money to the poor & we'll all live on a fluffy cloud. It does not mean you go to live on the otherside of the world to help a regime who have raped & beheaded their way across Syria & Iraq. Honestly it’s getting ridiculous, there’s an excuse for fucking everything now, absolutely everything. There’s an apologist of some kind lurking in every corner of everyday life, the fact this debate has national coverage just shows how badly we’ve devolved as a society. In olden times she’d have been tried for treason, and subsequently flung off the Tower of London with a lovely new rope collar and some lead shoes to match. Human Rights should not apply to someone who willingly sacrificed their own humanity, this is the most unified decision the country has made in aeons.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 21, 2019 19:25:23 GMT
I don't believe this traitor has a baby either.
All we see is her rocking a white piece of cloth.
We never see the 'baby's' face.
For all we know it could be a multi-pack of pork sausages.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 19:37:04 GMT
It's a very interesting point in fairness. Both are mostly built from experience, both would be coming from a person being brainwashed into their beliefs. I don't think she's a victim as such, just that people are underestimating how easy it is to be swept away in an ideology. Especially if your mind is as whisked up as I imagine hers is seeing what she's seen. The prevent strategy makes interesting reading in relation to this too. You love backing a nailed on bad un /loser don't you Tbh I'm not defending her. I'm just not wishing death on someone who has been brainwashed. We all start with a blank slate in our mind, the main difference is what our environment and the stuff around us fills it up with. Some never fill it at all Obviously she may be beyond help, and she should certainly be on trial for her actions, which is why this weird, sad PR stunt by the home secretary is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 19:44:49 GMT
You love backing a nailed on bad un /loser don't you Tbh I'm not defending her. I'm just not wishing death on someone who has been brainwashed. We all start with a blank slate in our mind, the main difference is what our environment and the stuff around us fills it up with. Some never fill it at all Obviously she may be beyond help, and she should certainly be on trial for her actions, which is why this weird, sad PR stunt by the home secretary is ridiculous. I agree it's ridiculous, the reality is we're going to have to take back some of those who left to join ISIS and put them on trial in the UK - otherwise we let them go and they can start the same process elsewhere. The girl is clearly a complete and utter moron who will believe anything she is told, I don't want her back in the UK but at the same time she's a British citizen and therefore the UK's problem. If she really wants to come back to the UK and walk the streets, if she really thinks it's a good idea and it's safe for her to do so, then she's even more of an idiot than she already appears to be. She shows absolutely no remorse and when people recognise her (and they will), she can expect absolutely no sympathy in return. She's that fucking stupid she may as well sign up on here, she'd fit right in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 19:55:56 GMT
She shouldn't be getting all this publicity, or indeed any publicity. The fact that she says she saw loads of videos of what was going on before she went, and then still went should be enough proof that she was fully aware of the circumstances and exactly why she decided to go. Killings - tick, bombings - tick, beheadings - tick.
Let's face it she'd still be happy to be in IS la la land if things hadn't got so nasty. Now she's got the do-gooders and "humanitarians" using the "young, vulnerable, impressionable, brainwashed, blah blah blah" tags - pick any two or three to suit - and the media are lapping it up. And now she's got the audacity and temerity to say we should have bloody sympathy for her. She's shown not one ounce of genuine remorse, contrition, or regret, and just expects the country to accept her and her sprog.
Sod her - she was happy enough to go to Syria in the first place, well let her bloody well stay in Syria.
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Post by murphthesurf on Feb 21, 2019 21:18:52 GMT
She shouldn't be getting all this publicity, or indeed any publicity. The fact that she says she saw loads of videos of what was going on before she went, and then still went should be enough proof that she was fully aware of the circumstances and exactly why she decided to go. Killings - tick, bombings - tick, beheadings - tick. Let's face it she'd still be happy to be in IS la la land if things hadn't got so nasty. Now she's got the do-gooders and "humanitarians" using the "young, vulnerable, impressionable, brainwashed, blah blah blah" tags - pick any two or three to suit - and the media are lapping it up. And now she's got the audacity and temerity to say we should have bloody sympathy for her. She's shown not one ounce of genuine remorse, contrition, or regret, and just expects the country to accept her and her sprog. Sod her - she was happy enough to go to Syria in the first place, well let her bloody well stay in Syria. Spot on, Dees - agree with every word of that & couldn't have put it better myself. She was fine for four years living in that VILE environment with the true scum of the earth until it became obvious that ISIS was being wiped out. Then - guess what - she suddenly decided, with IMO staggering arrogance, that she wanted to come back..... She should simply never be allowed to set foot back in this country for as long as she lives, and nor should her child.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 21, 2019 21:26:27 GMT
I don't believe this traitor has a baby either. All we see is her rocking a white piece of cloth. We never see the 'baby's' face. For all we know it could be a multi-pack of pork sausages. Bangers?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 21, 2019 21:29:32 GMT
Tbh I'm not defending her. I'm just not wishing death on someone who has been brainwashed. We all start with a blank slate in our mind, the main difference is what our environment and the stuff around us fills it up with. Some never fill it at all Obviously she may be beyond help, and she should certainly be on trial for her actions, which is why this weird, sad PR stunt by the home secretary is ridiculous. I agree it's ridiculous, the reality is we're going to have to take back some of those who left to join ISIS and put them on trial in the UK - otherwise we let them go and they can start the same process elsewhere. The girl is clearly a complete and utter moron who will believe anything she is told, I don't want her back in the UK but at the same time she's a British citizen and therefore the UK's problem. If she really wants to come back to the UK and walk the streets, if she really thinks it's a good idea and it's safe for her to do so, then she's even more of an idiot than she already appears to be. She shows absolutely no remorse and when people recognise her (and they will), she can expect absolutely no sympathy in return. She's that fucking stupid she may as well sign up on here, she'd fit right in. Maybe it's too easy to become a British citizen? Maybe we are letting people in who have no real affinity with our values, and it will come back to bite us? Even more than it is, now.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2019 21:36:26 GMT
I don't believe this traitor has a baby either. All we see is her rocking a white piece of cloth. We never see the 'baby's' face. For all we know it could be a multi-pack of pork sausages. Or a large black pudding, massive pig in blanket or even a haggis
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2019 21:37:48 GMT
You love backing a nailed on bad un /loser don't you Tbh I'm not defending her. I'm just not wishing death on someone who has been brainwashed. We all start with a blank slate in our mind, the main difference is what our environment and the stuff around us fills it up with. Some never fill it at all Obviously she may be beyond help, and she should certainly be on trial for her actions, which is why this weird, sad PR stunt by the home secretary is ridiculous. Stop picking on Saido
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2019 21:41:26 GMT
Tbh I'm not defending her. I'm just not wishing death on someone who has been brainwashed. We all start with a blank slate in our mind, the main difference is what our environment and the stuff around us fills it up with. Some never fill it at all Obviously she may be beyond help, and she should certainly be on trial for her actions, which is why this weird, sad PR stunt by the home secretary is ridiculous. I agree it's ridiculous, the reality is we're going to have to take back some of those who left to join ISIS and put them on trial in the UK - otherwise we let them go and they can start the same process elsewhere. The girl is clearly a complete and utter moron who will believe anything she is told, I don't want her back in the UK but at the same time she's a British citizen and therefore the UK's problem. If she really wants to come back to the UK and walk the streets, if she really thinks it's a good idea and it's safe for her to do so, then she's even more of an idiot than she already appears to be. She shows absolutely no remorse and when people recognise her (and they will), she can expect absolutely no sympathy in return. She's that fucking stupid she may as well sign up on here, she'd fit right in. No doubt if this bitch is allowed back here she will have 24 hr protection or given a new identity and moved to Stoke all at tax payers expense, the tax payers of a country she hates an left to join a terrorist group to potentially do harm to our country.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 21, 2019 21:57:32 GMT
I bet he could find her a job in his Shadow Cabinet, maybe Shadow Security Minister... And people on here want this terrorist loving traitor to be PM... Don't forget he's a communist spy as well. I reckon we're only a few months away from him being the man on the grassy knoll. He'd take the gun, but not the bullets.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2019 0:36:49 GMT
Like most threads on here, this has once again entered the arena of the ultra right wing. 'Quelle Surprise', as they in Libya.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 1:17:16 GMT
Tbh I'm not defending her. I'm just not wishing death on someone who has been brainwashed. We all start with a blank slate in our mind, the main difference is what our environment and the stuff around us fills it up with. Some never fill it at all Obviously she may be beyond help, and she should certainly be on trial for her actions, which is why this weird, sad PR stunt by the home secretary is ridiculous. I agree it's ridiculous, the reality is we're going to have to take back some of those who left to join ISIS and put them on trial in the UK - otherwise we let them go and they can start the same process elsewhere. The girl is clearly a complete and utter moron who will believe anything she is told, I don't want her back in the UK but at the same time she's a British citizen and therefore the UK's problem. If she really wants to come back to the UK and walk the streets, if she really thinks it's a good idea and it's safe for her to do so, then she's even more of an idiot than she already appears to be. She shows absolutely no remorse and when people recognise her (and they will), she can expect absolutely no sympathy in return. She's that fucking stupid she may as well sign up on here, she'd fit right in. To be fair mate, she'll take some recognizing when she's all wrapped up in her bed sheets. She'll probably be on Celebrity Big Brother next year though.
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